split logging
hello every one this jimbo i am starting a new job next week finally.im gonna be running northeast and the midatlantic states.does anyone have any opinions on wether its better to split log or just run your eleven and take ten off.im asking becouse in the four years i have driven i dont ever remember having to split my log.ive look at how to do it online i almost think i understand it but it looks like it could get confusing the more you use it.i for one, and any body can tell me if im wrong but wouldnt it be easier just to take the xtra 2 hours and stayput for the solid ten hour sleepr.then you always have a solid ten hours to run.versus doing the split log where sometimes depnding how you do it you could have less hours available each time.the 2 hour split doesnt really give me much time to do anything it usually takes me that long to fall a sleep.so itd just be spent awake anyways.so to me i think drive 10 to 11 hours and take ten slper then that gives you a solid 11 hours back running and a fresh 14. id apreciate any advice from veteran drivers or anyone else that has done a lot of split logging and have any idea which is better to do.thanks jimbo
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I definitely recommend just taking a 10 hour break. Splitting up the resting time can really mess things up sometimes. I've only split once since they revised the rules and I ended up doing it wrong. I always just show a 10 hour break no matter what. My company recommend to that everyone not split, it causes havoc in the safety department when auditing logs. They end up with a lot of drivers with a lot of violations. 8) 8)
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thanks for taking the time to respond i cant remember ever splitlogging in my four years of driving i always did 10 off it restarts everything with out a hassle. so far all the site i posted on pretty much say the same thing avoid it. the company im going to gave me a couple of copies of of split logging so i thaught that might be how there drivers do it well i like my way never got a log violation.i did go to a couple of sites that show how to do it and sometimes you end up with only a few hours left to drive before you need to stop.i prefer to do the driving all at once then then take ten.thanks again
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I concur. 99.99% of the time split logging is more trouble than it is worth with the way it is written now.
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i can say that i have never done it..........reason being, i havent the slightest idea and it is more hassle....i can always find a way to fit a 10 hr break anywhere anytime :oops:
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I use it about once a week, like on Thursday night when I have a short trip home friday and took a two hour break thursday afternoon I can get home earlier. Other than that it isn't much use to me.
First if you use it every day your days start earlier and earlier. Monday starts at 8am, tuesday 6am, wednesday 4am, thursday 2am, friday at 12:01 am if you use it all week. That really screws with my sleep patterns. Second you can use it one day to get your delivery off earlier, but you are locked in to taking that two hour break during the course of the day, sometimes that wastes valuable time you could have used. Usually I find that the days I use it I find myself wishing I hadn't. |
I use it alot. It doesn't really give you any more time. Just helps if you can't get a full ten before an appointment time, or if you want to start a couple hours ahead of rush hour.
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I was gonna suggest that it probably matters most if you deal with slow docks. Y'know - the kind that take 7 hours to off load 3 pallets.
SO, obviously, for some people, it will make a lot more sense than for others. |
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TWO hours in the afternoon, and 8 hours at night equalls the SAME 10 hours as if you took them ALL at night! The ONLY way the "circadian" rythm is distorted is when you DON'T spend the extra 2-3 hours on the dock! IF one drives 11 hours a day and takes 10 off (either STRAIGHT or SPLIT, he will ALWAYS, ALWAYS be working a 22 hour day ( accounting for fueling and pretrips) and thus will ALWAYS be "backing up" by two hours a day! Splitting makes NO DIFFERENCE in this equation! :roll: I have used the "new" splitting rules EXTENSIVELY in the few SOLO runs I have made! I've even used it while TEAMING! The "trick" is to combine ALL your little 15 minute stops during the day into ONE 2 hour "block" Then take only 8 hours at night (for shutdown) and get on the road SOONER! But.... it is really no SOONER, than IF you could have arrived 2 hours earilier with a faster truck, (or by keeping the doors closed,) and shut down for a full 10! :roll: I can't believe I'm saying this...but EVEN one of these SLOW truck... LOG IT AS YOU DO IT, drivers will have the SAME outcome! If he WANTS to take a two hour break during the day to shower, eat, etc., he will ONLY have to shut down for 8 hours at night! He gets on the road again at the SAME time as the guy who took the 10 hour break! The "new" split logging is something that should ONLY be used by those who will "speed average" to get an advantage. IMHO, this BARELY balances out for the way things USED to be, when truckers could extend their clock for EVERY break they took! But, Rawlco, YOUR math doesn't add up! IF a driver "splits" and takes two hours nap in the afternoon, then he will ARRIVE two hours later, and given the SAME unload time, if he shuts down for only 8 hours..... he is at the SAME timeframe as a driver who unloaded two hours earlier, and took a full 10 hour break! the "circadian rhythm" is based on about 3 hours "dock time" to make every driver's workday a FULL 14 hours..... plus 10 hour break..... start the same time everyday! Splitting has absolutely NOTHING to do with this "rhythm!" :wink: |
Rawlco doesn't have circadian rhythm... Thats why he can't dance :wink:
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Monday my 14 hour clock runs from 8am to 10pm. I go and deliver, then bounce empty and in the afternoon I end up waiting 2 hours before getting loaded at the shipper. This puts me 90 miles short of my consignee at 10pm. Taking only an 8 hour break allows me to start at 6am correct? I have 1.5 hours of driving and .5 hour unload putting me empty at 8am. I can then bounce empty to the shipper and spend 1 hour getting loaded allowing me to take my 2 hour break later at a truckstop getting a shower and a meal. Tuesday ends at 8pm having started at 6am. Taking an 8 hour break allows Wednesday to start at 4 am doesn't it? Do you see the pattern yet? Quote:
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The decision to split log depends on weather you can get to your delivery before you need to take the 2 hour break or not. Take my Tuesday example above: You could take a full 10 hour break monday night and arrive at the consignee at 9:30 am, but your appointment was set for 8am by people in the office on Friday when they booked that freight. Sure you could change it but by using split logging you can make that appointment on time AND avoid more rush hour traffic perhaps depending on your location. Quote:
Does that make more sense Hobo? :lol: |
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And go back to day ONE. With only a 2 hour detention, and minimizing fuel stops/PTI's, you would run out of your 11 hours of driving at about 9 p.m! You can't get those extra miles to 10 p.m. cuz you can't DRIVE 12 hours. I KNOW I'm not making much sense, cuz I'm in a hurry to post. But, I'm thinking of LONG hauls, where you don't HAVE a daily 2 hour detention at a dock. In THAT case, it makes no difference whether you split or not, you will ALWAYS start 2 hours sooner the next day. Personally, I take several 15-20 min breaks during the day but DON'T log them! When I get where I want to shutdown, I SAY I either TOOK a 2 hour break... and SPLIT.... or I say I got there 2 hours earlier.... and LOG a full 10. EITHER way, I can ONLY leave at the SAME time the next day..... and it will ALWAYS be two hours sooner than the day before! Do you see what I am saying? Obviously, IF I spent 2 hours EVERY day at a dock.... I would SPLIT log JUST to keep from LOSING time! But, what if they timestamp, and you only got 1.5 hours detention? THAT is when you must "speed average" to SAY you arrived at the dock earlier, so that you can LOG that 2 hour break! MY point was.... IF your day consists ONLY of driving (on a longer haul) it makes no difference whether you split or not (IF you speed average,) you will STILL only have a 21-22 hour day, and you will ALWAYS start 2 hours earlier the next day..... UNLESS you just burn time, and stay on a circadian rhythm. If I was solo, and only NEEDED to get 600 miles a day... I would do what I wanted to GET there, then SHOW that I got there within the 11/14... and then take a LONG night off and start the same time each morning! But, the FACT is.... whether you SPLIT or not.... you must take 10 hours off every day, and 10 + 11 + 1 (for fuel/pti's) = a 22 hour day.... and a 2 hour earlier start the NEXT day. You either arrive LATER at shutdown if you take a 2 hour nap and take 8 hours off.... or you arrive EARLIER at the SAME point, and take 10 hours off! Either way.... (without detentions) you start 2 hours earlier every day! Don't know if that made sense, but I gotta go now! If I made an error in my math or something..... we'll discuss it next weekend. I HOPE to be home by Friday night! Hobo |
Even if you always take a full 10, the only way you will start at the same time everday is to run out your 14, then take your 10 making it exactly twenty four hours later.
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Shouldn't most drivers want to stop and eat, shower & relax for @ least 2 hours during their 14 hour day? I am thinking from what I hear the shower will take 30 minutes probably, eat will take 30 minutes so you relax 1 more hour and there is the 2 hour break. Now when you should be taking your 10 you only have to take 8 hour break.
Understanding the 14 hour restarts from the end of the 2 hour break & any driving time in BETWEEN the 8 & 2 is counting against your 11. But that's my thought to it! Now if that 2 hour break happens to be at a customer yeah you :lol: Just a thought to think about. That 2 hour break really shouldn't be much and it makes you safer on the road because you get a break from all that stress us 4 wheelers cause you :lol: |
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Please note that the above example is specific to the times listed in that example only and it is not a complete explanation. Quote:
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As for the part of YOUR explanation I highlighted.... "Be it known... and further stipulated... by all parties hereto...." :lol: :lol: That as long as you quit DRIVING by noon (in your example) you "could" spend another two hours unloading and THEN take your 2 hour break at 2 p.m. if you wanted to! [That's not "before noon" is it??] This would shorten your available driving time by one hour, but it DOES show that there is more flexibility than YOUR words (and those of many Safety Directors) allow for as well. :wink: Sorry!!! Just HAD to "muddy" that up a bit for the newbies! :D Hobo |
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This week I used two consecutive (but not congruent) 8 hour S/B breaks to extend my clock and fit my needs. I can't wait for the log lady at work to try to tell me "Hey! You can't do that!" :lol: :lol: |
One day I split logged and took TWO seperate two hour breaks. TMC's log checking computer tied itself in knots and almost melted trying to figure out which one to use. I had a whole page of violations for the rest of the week. I spent half an hour convincing my log lady that I was right, and then we had to conference call the rest of the log department. After a couple of days consideration they said I was actually correct to their surprise. :lol:
Now here is the real question: Is anybody else still paying attention, or are you and I having a private conversation Hobo.... Hobo.... You still there??? Anybody??? chirp chirp go the crickets. dang, talking to myself again. :wink: |
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