Big Roll off Truck
 

HI All,

As some of you may know I am looking to buy a large roll off truck.....In my searches I have so far found 2 really good candidates....Both are tandem axle with a 3rd drop down axle, 20K front Floats, 8LL tranny, auto tarp, outside rail roll off system (reaving system (sp?)), double frame.

My questions are (basically both trucks are the same except for the major differences below) which is the better truck and why...

1) One truck is an 1990 International Paystar 5000 with a Cummins 855 engine

2) The other truck is a 1991 Internationational 2654 with a Cummins N14 engine

I thought the 855 and N14 were the same engine but when I searched the web it appears they are not.....which engine is better with respect to durability, power, parts availability, maintenance and repair costs?

What is the difference between a Paystar model and 2674 model International truck....I assume just the way the body looks? (since most of the rest of the truck is just different components bolted together)....again which is better if there are real differences as far as durability, parts availability, maintenance and repair costs?

Also, just curious, but what type of MPG's does something like this get?....I know it will be low compared to my Cummins Dodge BUT I plan on burning WMO (waste motor oil ....Filtered of course) to offset some costs.

Thanks in advance for any and all help / comments etc...

Andrew

I don't know anything about the 855 engine but the N14 has a good reputation and seems to wear well. I don't know anything about the specific trucks you noted. I have owned an International for a number of years and have gotten very good service from it.

The N14 is the more modern electronic version of the 855 cubic inch Cummins engine.

Other than the electronics the 855 and the N14 are pretty much the same engine, the same basic design that was first developed in the 1930's and continued to evolve until the EPA regs put the kibosh to it recently.

I've got old truck manuals (which I inherited from my dad) from the WWII era, and the Cummins engines in there (672 cu in, 743 cu. in.) are the same design as the more modern 855 and N14.

Re: Big Roll off Truck
 

The only difference is the hood IIRC. The cabs are identical inside and outside.

The 5000 has a more beefy looking hood and might have a longer BBC than the 2674.

The Paystar wins that competition hands down.

We've got S models and Paystars at the company where I work and the Paystar is a much more heavy duty truck.

Just look at the front suspension on a Paystar with the massive trailing arms which take all the fore and aft stress the front axle encounters during rough off road use, compared to the S model, which uses a conventional front suspension in which the spring itself serves to deal with the fore and aft stress which can result in broken spring eyes and broken spring centerbolts.

Also keep in mind that the S models were discontinued around 2000, but the Paystar lives on to this day as the 5600i, which still proudly wears the "Paystar" badges on the hood.

Here's a 2007 5600i Paystar which we built into a dump truck last year:

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...4-27-07002.jpg

Re: Big Roll off Truck
 

Actually they're a completely different truck.

S2674:
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...3/Trico006.jpg

5600i Paystar:
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...4-27-07002.jpg

Even if you found 2 Paystars, of the same year, they could both have different cabs and/or different hoods. Many cabs will take a hood from a different year. No telling what you'll get if it's been "worked on".

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In my own defense Splitshifter, you are showing a picture of a 2007 Paystar and at the very least a 2000 S model by your own admission since they were discontinued then. Even International has upgraded their cabs in the past 7 years. Not to mention your evidence is a 5600 not a 5000 like the OP asked about.

Now upon further research on truckpaper, I will admit I was wrong. The 5000 and the S model in 1990-91 did in fact have a different cab. I would like to apologize for any problems I might have caused :)

BTW Splity, nice 5600. Did you do it in house or send it off?

Hmmmm.....I do like the idea of the trailing arms to help support the front axle from the for and aft movement....are there any other major differences that you know of?.....The two trucks I am looking at are in similar condition But the Paystar is $18000 VS $9500....I like the ideal of a bit more beef but a little left over $$ would be nice too.

Andrew

Re: Big Roll off Truck
 

Aw hell, MKW, I'm not trying to bust your balls, I'm just sayin' that the S and the Paystar are different.

We do have a 5000 Paystar in the fleet which has the old type Paystar cab, but has the modern fiberglass hood:
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...3/Trico002.jpg

As for S models, the S cab itself was basically unchanged from it's inception in 1978 to it's demise in the early 00's, except for a few modifications to the dashboard over the years. There were a few different hoods used that sometimes made the S models look a bit different though.

We've got a 2000 S2674 in the fleet which has the "anteater hood":
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...ico7-12002.jpg