Trucker Forum - Trucking & Driving Forums - Class A Drivers

Trucker Forum - Trucking & Driving Forums - Class A Drivers (https://www.classadrivers.com/forum/)
-   New Truck Drivers: Get Help Here (https://www.classadrivers.com/forum/new-truck-drivers-get-help-here-102/)
-   -   Pistol In commercial vehicle (https://www.classadrivers.com/forum/new-truck-drivers-get-help-here/32363-pistol-commercial-vehicle.html)

jrhbull 02-13-2008 11:48 AM

Pistol In commercial vehicle
 
I live in Florida and have a Conceled Weapons Permit.Is it illegal for me to carry a pistol on me when i drive a commercial vehicle??

Flashmann 02-13-2008 11:49 AM

Federal law prohibits it....

Mackman 02-13-2008 11:54 AM

Re: Pistol In commercial vehicle
 

Originally Posted by jrhbull
I live in Florida and have a Conceled Weapons Permit.Is it illegal for me to carry a pistol on me when i drive a commercial vehicle??

you can carry as long as you stay in states that your permit is good for. Do a search this topic has been asked 100 times before. :wink:


There is no federal law that prohibits it. :roll:

jrhbull 02-13-2008 11:54 AM

What are the penalties if i deceide to protect myself anyhow and carry it??

jrhbull 02-13-2008 11:55 AM

Thanks for the replies ive heard so many different answers

Sheepdancer 02-13-2008 11:59 AM

THere is no federal law that says you cant carry a weapon in a commercial vehicle. However, when you start crossing state lines there will probably be a problem. Also most likely, your company will have a rule where you are not supposed to carry weapons. THen you run into another problem. In many states with concealed carry laws, its illegal to carry on private property where the owner doesnt want weapons on his property. So that would most likely include everywhere you deliver to while in your truck. Again....if you are only delivering in state....and every customer you deliver to says its ok to carry on their property, then NO LAWS have been broken.

Flashmann 02-13-2008 11:59 AM

Evidently I am misinformed.....I was told by a Colorado State Trooper,who lives 2 doors down,that it was against federal law....But......It's been some 2 years since that conversation....

jrhbull 02-13-2008 12:06 PM

I see thanks alot for clearing this up for me.My permit is in Florida and i dont leave the state so i should be ok.Thanks again for the replies

Fozzy 02-13-2008 12:09 PM

If you feel you NEED a gun to "protect yourself" ,, you need to stay out of the business..

jrhbull 02-13-2008 12:13 PM

What??? thats stupid its not the business

Fozzy 02-13-2008 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by jrhbull
What??? thats stupid its not the business

Then what are you afraid of?

jrhbull 02-13-2008 12:16 PM

Why not use our rights and be on the safe side??? Whats wrong with that.Id rather be safe then sorry im no NINJA so ill carry. Thanks

greg3564 02-13-2008 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by Fozzy

Originally Posted by jrhbull
What??? thats stupid its not the business

Then what are you afraid of?

Hmmm. Nasty truck stops that are often in bad areas. Warehouses that are often in bad areas. I for one don't live in fear, but I do carry a concealed handgun. I would rather be able to protect myself than become another victim or even worse, lose my life to some thug. If you "don't think it will ever happen to me", ask anyone who's been the victim of a violent crime if they thought it was going to happen to them. I've carried a handgun for 8 years and have never had to even think about drawing it let alone use it.

GMAN 02-13-2008 01:23 PM

There are some states where you could be thrown in jail and fined for having a concealed gun in your possession. Mostly the socialist states of New York, Massachusetts, etc., New York doesn't recognize any other states right to carry laws but their own and those may not be good outside of the immediate area where you live or work. If you pickup or deliver to any military base it could be a problem. Some may have a secure place to secure your weapon and others may not. It depends on their mood and state law. You could be warned to go somewhere and leave your weapon and then return or they could have you arrested and face state or federal charges. Most are pretty cool about guns. Unlike some of the socialist states, most military people recognize that we are supposed to have a constitution in place that specifically allows for individuals to own guns. You DON'T want to cross into Canada with a gun. It isn't the federal laws against having a gun in a commercial that you need to be concerned but local laws. Each state seems to have a different law.

greg3564 02-13-2008 01:23 PM

Re: Pistol In commercial vehicle
 

Originally Posted by jrhbull
I live in Florida and have a Conceled Weapons Permit.Is it illegal for me to carry a pistol on me when i drive a commercial vehicle??

There is no law forbiding it. You fall under the same laws as any citizen would. Here's a good website that will show what states honor a Florida CCW permit. Just click on the Permit Maps tab.

http://www.usacarry.com/index.php

Cluggy619 02-13-2008 07:50 PM

This is a interesting post. We can all agree that a permit will not allow you to carry across state lines.

But should truck drivers have guns/weapons while they are out?

Not much protection for you if you are walking to the truckstop, and the gun is in the truck.

And trying to use for self defense when someone is firing into your truck is worthless. The metal on the cab/sleeper is thin enough to allow rounds to enter the cab from the outside. And if you live through a firefight like that, are you really going to leave your truck to check if they are still there?

So the only reason I can see to have one is in case of break-in while your asleep. Maybe a car alarm would suit your purpose better in that case.

Maybe someone can tell me a better reason to have a gun while on the road. Right now, I just don't see a good one yet.

Bumper 02-13-2008 10:52 PM

Because I can.

DaveP 02-14-2008 01:35 AM

Re: Pistol In commercial vehicle
 

Originally Posted by greg3564

Originally Posted by jrhbull
I live in Florida and have a Conceled Weapons Permit.Is it illegal for me to carry a pistol on me when i drive a commercial vehicle??

There is no law forbiding it. You fall under the same laws as any citizen would. Here's a good website that will show what states honor a Florida CCW permit. Just click on the Permit Maps tab.

http://www.usacarry.com/index.php

Excellent map Greg!

Thanks for that link.

Fredog 02-14-2008 01:37 AM

Re: Pistol In commercial vehicle
 

Originally Posted by DaveP

Originally Posted by greg3564

Originally Posted by jrhbull
I live in Florida and have a Conceled Weapons Permit.Is it illegal for me to carry a pistol on me when i drive a commercial vehicle??

There is no law forbiding it. You fall under the same laws as any citizen would. Here's a good website that will show what states honor a Florida CCW permit. Just click on the Permit Maps tab.

http://www.usacarry.com/index.php

Excellent map Greg!

Thanks for that link.

I need to know which state will allow me to shoot idiots in 4 wheelers, ( and a few truck drivers)

greg3564 02-14-2008 06:56 AM

Re: Pistol In commercial vehicle
 

Originally Posted by Fredog

Originally Posted by DaveP

Originally Posted by greg3564

Originally Posted by jrhbull
I live in Florida and have a Conceled Weapons Permit.Is it illegal for me to carry a pistol on me when i drive a commercial vehicle??

There is no law forbiding it. You fall under the same laws as any citizen would. Here's a good website that will show what states honor a Florida CCW permit. Just click on the Permit Maps tab.

http://www.usacarry.com/index.php

Excellent map Greg!

Thanks for that link.

I need to know which state will allow me to shoot idiots in 4 wheelers, ( and a few truck drivers)

The U.S. Territory of Iraq. :P

jrhbull 02-14-2008 08:06 AM

If im in my cab and someone approaches me day or night who knows anymore what they want.The world i full of sickos.Id rather have a gun and not need it then need it and NOT have it.To each their own.Its a constitutional right to have one.

Fozzy 02-14-2008 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by jrhbull
If im in my cab and someone approaches me day or night who knows anymore what they want.The world i full of sickos.Id rather have a gun and not need it then need it and NOT have it.To each their own.Its a constitutional right to have one.

In certain cases..but not all. You have a right to free speech also, and it does not mean that you can yell "fire" in a crowded theater...

I guess I just pity people who feel the need to be armed 24/7.

ICS 02-14-2008 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by Fozzy

Originally Posted by jrhbull
If im in my cab and someone approaches me day or night who knows anymore what they want.The world i full of sickos.Id rather have a gun and not need it then need it and NOT have it.To each their own.Its a constitutional right to have one.

In certain cases..but not all. You have a right to free speech also, and it does not mean that you can yell "fire" in a crowded theater...

I guess I just pity people who feel the need to be armed 24/7.

It is not a matter of need or want. The main difference between the views of gun owner and a non gun owner are simple. the main being knowledge. I am a gun owner and agree with the constitution that it is a god given right. The 2nd amendment states to protect the right to bare arms. it doesn't state "to grant the right" this means that the right for man to have guns was established well before our country was even formed. (this has recently been backed up in a court of law) I will carry a wrench on my truck in case my brakes need adjusting. I will carry an air gage just in case to check my tire pressure and I would carry a gun just in case i would need it. To many gun owners it is nothing more than a tool with a specific purpose. it isn't some magical contraption that spits out death randomly. There are very few instances when a crime was committed by a person who legally owns a handgun. The laws are in place to limit such things from happening. Just recently every retired or active police officer was given permission to carry concealed by federal law. I be leave at some point that same permission will be given to this country's citizens. as it should.

Fozzy 02-14-2008 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by ICS

Originally Posted by Fozzy

Originally Posted by jrhbull
If im in my cab and someone approaches me day or night who knows anymore what they want.The world i full of sickos.Id rather have a gun and not need it then need it and NOT have it.To each their own.Its a constitutional right to have one.

In certain cases..but not all. You have a right to free speech also, and it does not mean that you can yell "fire" in a crowded theater...

I guess I just pity people who feel the need to be armed 24/7.

It is not a matter of need or want. The main difference between the views of gun owner and a non gun owner are simple. the main being knowledge. I am a gun owner and agree with the constitution that it is a god given right. The 2nd amendment states to protect the right to bare arms. it doesn't state "to grant the right" this means that the right for man to have guns was established well before our country was even formed. (this has recently been backed up in a court of law) I will carry a wrench on my truck in case my brakes need adjusting. I will carry an air gage just in case to check my tire pressure and I would carry a gun just in case i would need it. To many gun owners it is nothing more than a tool with a specific purpose. it isn't some magical contraption that spits out death randomly. There are very few instances when a crime was committed by a person who legally owns a handgun. The laws are in place to limit such things from happening. Just recently every retired or active police officer was given permission to carry concealed by federal law. I be leave at some point that same permission will be given to this country's citizens. as it should.

All of this does not change anything that I said. I still pity those who feel so threatened that they can only feel safe while holding a gun. I also find it ironic that its always people who have these insecurities who assume that others who do not want every tom dick and harry on the street armed (especially in the trucking industry with their ever plummeting standards) are not proficient or knowledgeable of weapons. There are hardly any ways to prevent an assault unless you have your little popgun in your hand at all times and point it at everyone who you even remotely feel is a "threat". Try again though..

DaveP 02-14-2008 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by Fozzy

Originally Posted by ICS

Originally Posted by Fozzy

Originally Posted by jrhbull
If im in my cab and someone approaches me day or night who knows anymore what they want.The world i full of sickos.Id rather have a gun and not need it then need it and NOT have it.To each their own.Its a constitutional right to have one.

In certain cases..but not all. You have a right to free speech also, and it does not mean that you can yell "fire" in a crowded theater...

I guess I just pity people who feel the need to be armed 24/7.

It is not a matter of need or want. The main difference between the views of gun owner and a non gun owner are simple. the main being knowledge. I am a gun owner and agree with the constitution that it is a god given right. The 2nd amendment states to protect the right to bare arms. it doesn't state "to grant the right" this means that the right for man to have guns was established well before our country was even formed. (this has recently been backed up in a court of law) I will carry a wrench on my truck in case my brakes need adjusting. I will carry an air gage just in case to check my tire pressure and I would carry a gun just in case i would need it. To many gun owners it is nothing more than a tool with a specific purpose. it isn't some magical contraption that spits out death randomly. There are very few instances when a crime was committed by a person who legally owns a handgun. The laws are in place to limit such things from happening. Just recently every retired or active police officer was given permission to carry concealed by federal law. I be leave at some point that same permission will be given to this country's citizens. as it should.

All of this does not change anything that I said. I still pity those who feel so threatened that they can only feel safe while holding a gun. I also find it ironic that its always people who have these insecurities who assume that others who do not want every tom dick and harry on the street armed (especially in the trucking industry with their ever plummeting standards) are not proficient or knowledgeable of weapons. There are hardly any ways to prevent an assault unless you have your little popgun in your hand at all times and point it at everyone who you even remotely feel is a "threat". Try again though..

Well, using that logic, genius...we can now disarm our law enforcement agencies

kc0iv 02-14-2008 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by ICS
It is not a matter of need or want. The main difference between the views of gun owner and a non gun owner are simple. the main being knowledge. I am a gun owner and agree with the constitution that it is a god given right. The 2nd amendment states to protect the right to bare arms. it doesn't state "to grant the right" this means that the right for man to have guns was established well before our country was even formed. (this has recently been backed up in a court of law) I will carry a wrench on my truck in case my brakes need adjusting. I will carry an air gage just in case to check my tire pressure and I would carry a gun just in case i would need it. To many gun owners it is nothing more than a tool with a specific purpose. it isn't some magical contraption that spits out death randomly. There are very few instances when a crime was committed by a person who legally owns a handgun. The laws are in place to limit such things from happening. Just recently every retired or active police officer was given permission to carry concealed by federal law. I be leave at some point that same permission will be given to this country's citizens. as it should.

Having a pretty good knowledge on the Bible I can't recall a single verse where anything is spoken about God giving a right to bear arms.

Secondly, There has been only one Supreme Court ruling (United States v. Miller) on the Second Amendment. They sustained a statute requiring registration under the National Firearms Act of sawed-off shotguns.

While I support the 2nd Amendment I also see a valid reason for there to be restriction being placed on those right. As a example I fully support the right of an business owner to post a sign that says NO GUNS allowed. I also support the government's right to restrict the types of firearms a owner owns.

I also think your statement "I be leave at some point that same permission will be given to this country's citizens. as it should." Will never come to be.

kc0iv

greg3564 02-14-2008 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by Fozzy
All of this does not change anything that I said. I still pity those who feel so threatened that they can only feel safe while holding a gun.

I for one do not feel so threatened. I do feel that I want the chance to defend myself should the need arise. I have seen every day Joe's killed and violently assaulted in "good" neighborhoods while working in EMS. I have also seen citizens defend themselves against those who terrorize.



I also find it ironic that its always people who have these insecurities who assume that others who do not want every tom dick and harry on the street armed (especially in the trucking industry with their ever plummeting standards) are not proficient or knowledgeable of weapons.
I for one believe everyone should arm themselves. I also believe that you should become a master at handling and using a firearm. Myself, I have over 100 hours of firearms training and regularly practice combat shooting. You as a citizen should take a responsible role in your own well being. The police can't be relied upon to protect you. They are there to investigate crimes and respond to them. But the chance a police officer will intervene is slim to none.



There are hardly any ways to prevent an assault unless you have your little popgun in your hand at all times and point it at everyone who you even remotely feel is a "threat". Try again though.
A defeatist attitude. I am constantly aware of my surroundings. I am not going to sit there and be a victim. I can draw my "pop gun" and have it on target in 1-2 seconds. Does that mean I am going to go around pulling my gun all the time? No.

As I said before I've carried a handgun for 8 years and have never had to draw my gun. I hope I never have to. But, one never knows what will happen on any given day. I'm sure the 5 shoppers in the mall in Salt Lake City, the 8 shoppers in Omaha, the 5 women in the Lane Bryant store in Chicago, the 32 students at Virgina Tech and so far 4 at Northern Illinois University thought they would die that day.

A case where having a gun does work was demonstrated in Colorado. A female church volunteer took down the shooter as he walked into the church after killing 4 people. Had she not been there who knows how many more would have been killed.[/quote]

Fozzy 02-14-2008 12:09 PM

Most gun nuts who babble about their rights to defend themselves are more likely to be the shooter in these events than one of the victims.. They feel threatened all the time. I've handled PLENTY of weapons, military and civilians and have never seen the need to carry in normal life,,

I have seen hundreds of situations where I'm glad that there are not MORE gun nuts loose on society. Most of these nuts are gun hoarders who also love to spout off about their prowess at the craft.. I'm still not impressed and still not convinced.

Again, unless you are ready and poised to pull your security blanket (gun) and the slightest provocation.. your kidding yourself if you think you will be safe from violent crime.

greg3564 02-14-2008 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by Fozzy
Most gun nuts who babble about their rights to defend themselves are more likely to be the shooter in these events than one of the victims.. They feel threatened all the time. I've handled PLENTY of weapons, military and civilians and have never seen the need to carry in normal life,,

I have seen hundreds of situations where I'm glad that there are not MORE gun nuts loose on society. Most of these nuts are gun hoarders who also love to spout off about their prowess at the craft.. I'm still not impressed and still not convinced.

Again, unless you are ready and poised to pull your security blanket (gun) and the slightest provocation.. your kidding yourself if you think you will be safe from violent crime.

Nice open mind you have. I expected nothing less. You're right, I'm a gun nut on the verge of the next mass shooting. :roll: Discussion over.

Fozzy 02-14-2008 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by greg3564
Nice open mind you have. I expected nothing less. You're right, I'm a gun nut on the verge of the next mass shooting. :roll: Discussion over.

*snicker*... why did I expect a person who actively seeks schemes and dreams of confrontation with firearms to "save people" to do something like have a simple discussion? keep dreaming Rambo. :roll:

DaveP 02-14-2008 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by Fozzy

Originally Posted by greg3564
Nice open mind you have. I expected nothing less. You're right, I'm a gun nut on the verge of the next mass shooting. :roll: Discussion over.

*snicker*... why did I expect a person who actively seeks schemes and dreams of confrontation with firearms to "save people" to do something like have a simple discussion? keep dreaming Rambo. :roll:

Simple discussion? With you?

People trying to have a discussion with you is like arguing with a drunk.

A waste of time.

Fozzy 02-14-2008 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by DaveP

Originally Posted by Fozzy

Originally Posted by greg3564
Nice open mind you have. I expected nothing less. You're right, I'm a gun nut on the verge of the next mass shooting. :roll: Discussion over.

*snicker*... why did I expect a person who actively seeks schemes and dreams of confrontation with firearms to "save people" to do something like have a simple discussion? keep dreaming Rambo. :roll:

Simple discussion? With you?

People trying to have a discussion with you is like arguing with a drunk.

A waste of time.

And this is your second ape like response directly to/at me an not the topic? go figure... lightweight

Fredog 02-15-2008 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by DaveP

Originally Posted by Fozzy

Originally Posted by ICS

Originally Posted by Fozzy

Originally Posted by jrhbull
If im in my cab and someone approaches me day or night who knows anymore what they want.The world i full of sickos.Id rather have a gun and not need it then need it and NOT have it.To each their own.Its a constitutional right to have one.

In certain cases..but not all. You have a right to free speech also, and it does not mean that you can yell "fire" in a crowded theater...

I guess I just pity people who feel the need to be armed 24/7.

It is not a matter of need or want. The main difference between the views of gun owner and a non gun owner are simple. the main being knowledge. I am a gun owner and agree with the constitution that it is a god given right.

The 2nd amendment states to protect the right to bare arms.
it doesn't state "to grant the right" this means that the right for man to have guns was established well before our country was even formed. (this has recently been backed up in a court of law) I will carry a wrench on my truck in case my brakes need adjusting. I will carry an air gage just in case to check my tire pressure and I would carry a gun just in case i would need it. To many gun owners it is nothing more than a tool with a specific purpose. it isn't some magical contraption that spits out death randomly. There are very few instances when a crime was committed by a person who legally owns a handgun. The laws are in place to limit such things from happening. Just recently every retired or active police officer was given permission to carry concealed by federal law. I be leave at some point that same permission will be given to this country's citizens. as it should.

All of this does not change anything that I said. I still pity those who feel so threatened that they can only feel safe while holding a gun. I also find it ironic that its always people who have these insecurities who assume that others who do not want every tom dick and harry on the street armed (especially in the trucking industry with their ever plummeting standards) are not proficient or knowledgeable of weapons. There are hardly any ways to prevent an assault unless you have your little popgun in your hand at all times and point it at everyone who you even remotely feel is a "threat". Try again though..

Well, using that logic, genius...we can now disarm our law enforcement agencies

what does wearing sleeveless shirts have to do with it?

ChikinTrucka 02-16-2008 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by jrhbull
If im in my cab and someone approaches me day or night who knows anymore what they want.The world i full of sickos.Id rather have a gun and not need it then need it and NOT have it.To each their own.Its a constitutional right to have one.


Judging from your misuse of the English language, I would suggest going back to school. Take an English course and a self defense course. I think we'd all feel safer.
I'm a big believer in the right to bare arms. I always wear short sleeved shirts. LOL. :mrgreen:
Seriously, I am a supporter of the second amendment.
I used to carry a gun, and I know how to use one. But I have seen/heard/read about too many people being killed by their own weapon. If I am not a master of the weapon, I choose not to carry it. It's just too easy for the enemy to take it from me. So, I don't carry any weapons other than my feet, hands and mouth.
If I need a gun to make a delivery, I will refuse to go to that location. I have delivered in Queens, Brooklyn, Long Island and even Memphis and still don't feel any need to carry a gun.
I just use my common sense. (That's not so common anymore.)
Many people have been killed even when holding a gun. If someone came at me with a gun and took my wallet, I'd only lose that and a pair of soiled shorts. Take the same scenario and I pull out a gun, how much more likely am I to get shot now? I don't think it's worth finding out.
To your original question; when I had a handgun, way back when, in the time before time, you could get a federal gun permit that allowed you to carry a concealed weapon in any state. That permit overruled any state laws and was not too hard to get. I'm sure now, with the so called "War on Terror" it is not so easy and maybe impossible. But that is what I'd look into if I wanted to carry.
As with most things in life, fear is the harbinger of problems.
Problems can often be solved with education.
Why not just carry some pepper spray and make life easier and safer. Can't accidentally kill an innocent person with pepper, can you?

Walking Eagle 02-16-2008 11:52 AM

Depends on how long you want to be held up if FDOT finds it :sad: Probably any place from 1 to 5 hours while they figur out what to do.

Mackman 02-16-2008 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by Walking Eagle
Depends on how long you want to be held up if FDOT finds it :sad: Probably any place from 1 to 5 hours while they figur out what to do.

I buddy of mine got stoped in his dump truck around a year ago in PA. and when asked if he had any guns or drugs etc. he did say he had a gun and a CCW permit. They took the gun and the permit back to thier car and checked the #'s on the gun and the permit both came back good gave him his gun and permit back and told him to have a good day. It did not hold him up any longer (maybe 5-10min)

Walking Eagle 02-16-2008 12:29 PM

Depends on the State, and if the office got any last night :P

repete 02-16-2008 01:29 PM

Try it and let us know, just make sure when you start shooting at the things going bump in the night that I'm not parked near you! What caliber are you carrying? Make sure it's a magnum so you can blow holes thru 5 or 6 sleepers when you miss the boogie man!
Yeay I feel VERY strongly about this subject cause there are to many rambo wannabe's out there and every one of them is a trained expert! do us all a favor and carry a can of bee killer instead of a gun, the life you save may be mine! And before you give me any gruff about being antigun :roll: I have had a CCW in NY for over 20 years and I did use it to defend myself. BTW I Vary rarely carry now

greg3564 02-16-2008 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by ChikinTrucka

Originally Posted by jrhbull
If im in my cab and someone approaches me day or night who knows anymore what they want.The world i full of sickos.Id rather have a gun and not need it then need it and NOT have it.To each their own.Its a constitutional right to have one.


Judging from your misuse of the English language, I would suggest going back to school. Take an English course and a self defense course. I think we'd all feel safer.
I'm a big believer in the right to bare arms. I always wear short sleeved shirts. LOL. :mrgreen:
Seriously, I am a supporter of the second amendment.
I used to carry a gun, and I know how to use one. But I have seen/heard/read about too many people being killed by their own weapon. If I am not a master of the weapon, I choose not to carry it. It's just too easy for the enemy to take it from me. So, I don't carry any weapons other than my feet, hands and mouth.
If I need a gun to make a delivery, I will refuse to go to that location. I have delivered in Queens, Brooklyn, Long Island and even Memphis and still don't feel any need to carry a gun.
I just use my common sense. (That's not so common anymore.)
Many people have been killed even when holding a gun. If someone came at me with a gun and took my wallet, I'd only lose that and a pair of soiled shorts. Take the same scenario and I pull out a gun, how much more likely am I to get shot now? I don't think it's worth finding out.
To your original question; when I had a handgun, way back when, in the time before time, you could get a federal gun permit that allowed you to carry a concealed weapon in any state. That permit overruled any state laws and was not too hard to get. I'm sure now, with the so called "War on Terror" it is not so easy and maybe impossible. But that is what I'd look into if I wanted to carry.
As with most things in life, fear is the harbinger of problems.
Problems can often be solved with education.
Why not just carry some pepper spray and make life easier and safer. Can't accidentally kill an innocent person with pepper, can you?

You have some valid opinions. But they are just that, opinions. What I don't care for is the "I support the 2nd Amendment, but" crowd. Either you support it or you don't. Barack Obama supports the 2nd Amendment too, only for people who live in rural America where police have long response times. Why should Billy Bob American in rural America have the right over Joe American living in a big city?

If you choose to let an armed criminal victimize you and hope he doesn't eliminate the only witness, then go right ahead. But it is that exact thinking that the common criminal is hoping for. The recent case in Chicago where 6 women were murdered in a robbery at a clothing store is a perfect example. Had just one of those people been armed and able to level the playing field it may have had a better outcome.

I am not some wacko gun nut(as Fozzy seems to thing we all are), but I refuse to play victim. If more people started to fight back against the criminal element we might actually make some progress against crime.

ChikinTrucka 02-16-2008 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by greg3564

You have some valid opinions. But they are just that, opinions. What I don't care for is the "I support the 2nd Amendment, but" crowd. Either you support it or you don't. Barack Obama supports the 2nd Amendment too, only for people who live in rural America where police have long response times. Why should Billy Bob American in rural America have the right over Joe American living in a big city?

If you choose to let an armed criminal victimize you and hope he doesn't eliminate the only witness, then go right ahead. But it is that exact thinking that the common criminal is hoping for. The recent case in Chicago where 6 women were murdered in a robbery at a clothing store is a perfect example. Had just one of those people been armed and able to level the playing field it may have had a better outcome.

I am not some wacko gun nut(as Fozzy seems to thing we all are), but I refuse to play victim. If more people started to fight back against the criminal element we might actually make some progress against crime.

You're preaching to the choir here, Bud. There's no "BUT", I support the 2nd amendment 100%. I'm all for keeping and bearing arms. I just choose not to, on my person anyway, because for me, I feel safer without one. (Besides, a gun doesn't go with my wardrobe and I can't hide it in my spandex. LOL.) If that means I get shot in the convenience store, so be it. I take my chances every time I drive down the road, and with the type of people driving today, I think I am at a much greater risk of injury or death on the road than at any other place that I go to, including NYC! But that's me. I'll vote for all the gun rights and fight to keep that right whenever I can. I have actually thought about buying a gun and keeping it in the house under lock, just to exercise my right, should I ever need it (like for a major problem, like an invasion, not a robber, per say), it'll be there. My only complaint regarding guns is the idiots who don't know how to use them properly and keep them safely locked away from children. There's been too many accidents as a result of ignorance. It's like the same complaint I have about bad drivers (including truckers). There wouldn't be so many problems on the road if people knew how to drive. And less gun accidents if people practiced proper gun safety. And, in the same way cops don't stop enough speeders and tailgaters, if we enforced the traffic laws and the gun laws we already have, we would be much better off! OK, I'm done, next topic....


All times are GMT -12. The time now is 06:54 PM.


Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved