Is someone here angry with Werner??
 

just wondering?

What would give you that idea?

Just a tad bit iritated with the treatment of my personal possesions. After all i took very good care of their truck , And then they ruin about about 600 bucks worth of my personal propert ,and lose my raised letter birth certificate in the deal. I did not quit i just took the leave I discussed 4 weeks prior to my hometime to look for local work , And was not disgruntled until they ruined my personal belongings . After all it's not like I asm the typical driver that gets frustrated with Werner or any OTR company ,and does things to damage their property out of anger , But they did that to me ...LOW RENT ...

If it went down like you say (not doubting you) I would be somewhat PO'd too.

I would be worried about your birth certificate dissapppearing, with a birth certificate you can obtain a new drivers licence, now with two pieces of ID you can obtain credit cards, passport and about anything you want. You may have a problem in the future. Get on the company about it ASAP.

Tom

Just get a new birth certificate from the county where you were born.
And let it go

Ever heard of identity theft ? not to mention it cost me just shy of $100.00 to obtain that raised letter birth cert so Werner could send me to Canada .... And lettin it go is about all one can do , as it's not worth wasting good AMMO on useless people :wink:

Let it go, its gone. Some yard monkey probably tossed it out when they cleaned out your truck. Go get a new one. Plus, if you ever used a credit card in your life, your identity is already out there for all to steal. Better yet, next time you get a job with a trucking company, get a passport and make a laminated copy and keep the original at home.

As far it being tossed out yes that's probably the deal , however it never should have been tossed out , and I do not ,and have never owned a credit card in my life . As for the Birth cert I have one at home it's not the raised letter that is required for Canada crossing , and it was purchased at Werners request when I started in 2005 it cost me 65 ( I found my receipt) and this is not paid for by werner , so having a document like this tossed in the trash is not a good thing ,and by no means is the end of the issue ...You do realize that most items used in I.D. theft are found in the TRASH , as this is where these people look for these items if they are not using compute technology to get these items .


I'm callling Werner management tomorrow to speak with higher management than I have already ,and informing them of the issue , because if it should become an issue where a person happens to use this document that has been carelessy MISS-PLACED by Werner I will sue them for the occurance and 3x whatever it costs me ...As by their own admission they handled my belongings without any real concern or permission . And they can be held responsible for the losses of my personal property I know this as I spoke to a lawyer regarding the matter after my last chat with dispatcher this week . as far as letting it go ....Would werner let it go if the shoe was on the other foot and it was their property in question or would i have a collection asgency and slammed DAC for it ?

You will sue them?
A megacarrier with more lawyers than you can shake a stick at?
And...you think your the first that has had this happen to ?
And...you think your the first to file a lawsuit?

Charge all the windmills you want, but they got the money and power that you dont. Dont sue, they'll bleed you dry in court. Just take the loss and get on with your life. The best thing you can do is warn others.

Hate to say this but you wont win unless you got proof that this has financially impacted your life. A tossed out birth certificate is not going to impact your life, its gone, let it go and concentrate on working for a company with a cleaner reputation. Add to that, you make waves with a megacarrier , the time you spent working for them will go down the toilet. Anyone who calls for a recommendation and asks "would you hire this person again?" will get a response that will go something like this "NO, we wouldnt hire him again" Its perfectly legal to say it and it can "F " up your chances for another job, even a McJob.

An authentic birth certificate is gold to an identity thief. They can use that to get a new social security number, drivers license, bank account, etc.

Also, most employers and government agencies will not accept a laminated birth certificate. They typically require that they be able to feel the raised seal.

Black balling an individual when he/she calls fowl when ihe/she should can result in some very bad outcomes with right individual .

well they lost my RAISED LETTER birth certificate while miss handling my personal belongings , And it's not like I'm pissed over a missing issue of PENTHOUSE , as this missing document could have negative complications for me further down the road , and 100% due to Werner . Now it's not like the truck was broken into and these items stolen it's just a matter of a them being shady with me because I expressed the desire to look for better pay and a better life style than I currently have wworking with them . And when I was finally allowed to acess my belongings the first thing I looked for was this document , and when i couldn't find it and kept searching the terminal manager wanted me tto just forget about it like it was nothing . Well I may have no real recourse , But in no way does this take away from my current hostility , and that isn't going to fade for awhile as I can't help but wonder where this important document is and this causes me some distress .

Look, either suck it up and displace your anger only to relieve it on some Joe in the future for minimal reasons...... shoot up the place/or just the dispatcher..... or even strap a bomb to yourself and take out part of the plant.... do it Middle East style!!! Sounds crappy.... but these are your only options because threats to them are only a waste of your breath and their time.... 8)

I was thinking more along the lines of either a flamming bag of dog crap on the dipatchers front step or an order of 100 pizzas ....maybe both are in line .

Big Jeep said:

Well, I usually stay out of these type threads, but I just can't resist. Big Jeep, I'm sure you're P.O.'d and to some extent, you have a RIGHT to be... but, I gotta wonder, man.....

If you took this "leave" with the intention of looking for other employment, and you've READ all the threads on here and other places about what companies have done to others in similar situations....

WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU LEAVE THAT DOCUMENT IN THE TRUCK????

If that thing cost what it did, and was so necessary for getting into Canada, and was such a threat to your identity security..... I'd never let it out of my SIGHT!!

Sorry, man.... but YOU gotta calm down and accept some of the blame on this one! That's just MY OPINION. :wink:

I don't even leave my LOG BOOK in the truck when I go home for the weekend!

Did you leave your WALLET with your CDL in there, too?? :roll:

I'm not defending Werner in the least, but neither can I accept your pleading of total innocence and "victimization."

If this trivial little part of everyday life causes this much anger and misplaced waste of oxygen and energy for you.....maybe your in the wrong profession.

Fact is it don't matter if i'm taking a leave to find work that pays or I'm just at home enjoying the fall for 30 days of leave ...I called my FM and he was ok with me unloading the truck on saturday the 29th in our phone conversation the 25th , But on the 27th the terminal decided to unload it , But couldn't even give a courtesy call asking why truck is full and key has not been turned in to shop , and give me a chance to attempt to empty truck out earlier than planned or end up having them do it .


Now a driver is allowed to keep their truck for up to 6 days on a leave , And I once again called my FM on the 25 th with plans of empty on the 29th ...that's only 4 days , and he did saty ok on the phone . So it is not my fault I thought my stuff to be secure in the truck only to have it rifled through by the shop to open it up on the 27th this is their fault As communication was supplied on my end , and on the phone it was OK with my FM not my fault they did something different than communicated .


Now why would i leave this document in the truck...Well it's no less safe than If it was left in cheap appartment in Denver . And because this document is suposed to be with me every time I go out just in case I'm sent to Canada I leave it stored in a folder with other documents on a shelve ...However because the Birth Cert has not been used in moths it's not exactly a fresh thing on my mind at midnight after a long day ,So I never thought to grab the folder B4 heading home.


Say what you will but the truck was left on gated security patroled property locked up tight , and it's not like it was broken into by thieves if this was the case it would be just an unfortunate instance and no ones fault after all these items can be stolen at your house by thieves breaking into your un guarded home . But that's not the case they were lost during the un-authorized handling of the shop , And this is not my fault , As it was Ok 'd with my FM , and I had no reason to think this would occour .


Now I have every right to be annoyed , But there isn't much that can be done now ...However I have my local job , and I'm just waiting on my drug screen to come back to start work , And I'm going to call the creditors tomorrow to see what I can do to safeguard myself from the stolen document should it find it's way into the hands of a person wanting to commit ID fraud , and hurt me credit wise .



And don't think that I don't kicvk myself in the A$$ for trusting Werner to do right ...That was very bad judgement on my part.

Hey slide me your Raised letter Birth Cert ,and let me toss it out in the streets of Denver ...And we will see how calm and cool you demeanor is when you realize how many ILLAGAL there are in the Area that would love to this document that will allow them to get a social security card...Drivers license....Credit cards ...loans Ect in your name . Maybe you are one of those drivers that is smart enough to lease a TRUCK ... :wink:

I wish the ignorant wouldn't even post!!! Hell, who in their right F'n mind wouldn't be PISSED had this happened to them??? These are the SAME drivers you hear on the radio preachin laws and giving directions they themselves only heard shortly before!!! IDIOTS!!!

thse types are also the ones I get a kick out of at truck stops when they critique a drivers backing skills VIA the CB...But they pulled through parked at noon :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: We're definitely on the same page!!!

I SURE hope you are not talking about ME... or calling me "ignorant" or an "idiot."

Hey Golfhobo I think i there is a miss understandin on the time line thing...I was not home for 4 weeks this is the time line of events...


about 5 weeks prior to september 23rd I mentioned taking a leave to look for local to my FM on the Phone..this would be about august 23rd .

I was out from AUG 24th until sept 23rd

On the day I returned. September 23rd (sunday) 4.5 days late ....And the day I went home which is about 70 miles from terminal . MY FM Was not AVL until the 25th of Sept (TUES)...i called him on the 25th of SEPT just 2 days into the 5 days I had earned from being out since the 24th of AUG . This was my first opportunity to confirm that I was going to...GO ON a leave ...STARTING the 25th of SEPTEMBER...


So to cleriify I was not on leave for 4 weeks B4 they did this I was on home time for 2 days of the five I earned for being out since the 24 of AUG , and called my FM to communicate that i indeed was going to take thje leave of abscence I mentioned the prior month to hunt for local . Now in this conversation on the 25th of SEPT my FM was told I wanted to empty truck on the 29th (SUN) just 4 days from the date I called him and (STARTED MY LEAVE) and only 2 days into my 5 days of hometrime And he said Ok that's fine. And on the 27th just 2 day into my leave ,and 2 days after calling ny FM they Emtied the truck without so much as a call.


In conclusion I could have just not said I was going to take a leave and made Avl for 1 extra day late (SAT) And went down and emptied the truck ,and been good , But I kept werner in the loop , so no freight was assigned to me causing a late or problems for the planner ,And it screwed me for being professional.

oh-yeh!

did you get any of this aggreement for leave on the qualcom?? i assume no, then it don't exist. you quit with no notice. you disagree, but it is your word against theirs, and they will win. since you have nothing to back it up with.

Lets get it correct I never....QUIT....and currently while I sit here typing waiting for my Drug test results to come back before I start my new job I am still an emplyee at Werner listed as being on ...LEAVE...So it was not a mistake where I got listed a quiting . And at werner you don't need an "AGREEMENT" to go on leave as you can take up to 30 days at anytime you just have to tell your FM you are taking the leave , But it does not require permission , as it is company policy that allows this 30 day leave So it's not something special I need permission from my FM to do . However after 6 days your truck must be turned in ...Now as far as my word VS theirs it's by their own admission they emtied the truck anb handled my possesions without permission...And guess what , because my stiff was legaly in that truck , and they removed it without my presence, permission ,Or knwledge and they themselves have documented doing this they put themselves responsible for any missing or damaged items claimed by the owner . Infact when they emptied the truck they were by law ...STEALING....and when they put these goods in their storage facility they were in fact accepting....STOLEN GOODS...and if I had called the police while my belongings were in their possesion , and i was not being given acess to them I could have filed charges that day...I did not ...


In this situation most Drivers go ape shit and put themselves in a position to get into legal trouble by either lashing out in a violent manner at the management or doing petty vandalism to the equipment ( the truck) and these actions make taking lega action hard on the driver as his actions make it possible for Werner to the same...I did not , So had I wanted to pursue the matter there was no legal footing for Werner to grab hold of...However I'm aware of how hard an employer like werner can make getting another job , So I did nothing other than mildly gripe , And type my post on this message board to blow off steam ...Heck you never know , As much as I would hate going back I would hate to completely burn that bridge of employment if it ever did turn out top be my only option .



And my only gripe was the missing Birth Cert , and not knowing where it went , As this document is gold in the wrong hands , And this missing document could potentially cause me problems in the future depending on where it is now . Had this document not been lost I would not have been angry enough to even post or voice my disatisfaction over the miss-handling of my posssesions .

i am sorry, i did not know that you owned the truck that said "werner" on the door. i fully understand now...it was your truck that you owned, so it was breaking and entering on their part, right? hell take them no good theiving basturds to court...i think you have a case!!! but then again i am just a dumb truck driver, i may be wrong. you are obviously the smart lawyer here.

If a person rents an apartment and doesn't pay the rent ,and eventually gets evicted the owners can not not just come and take the evicted occupants belongings and do with what they please with them without giving a chance to remove belongings ,and this opportunity must be documented or it's considred stealing when the goods are taken ...same applies to the truck.

so the owner of a truck that is parked on their property has no right to get into and remove stuff so that another driver can use it?? makes perfect sense to me. but let me say this. a guy goes on "leave" to go find another job, and he told the company he was doing this. and that guy leaves all of his stuff in that truck...he gets what he deserves. why on earth would you leave that much stuff, and important stuff in a truck that you do not intend to ever drive again. i have no sympathy for him and from what i see no one else does either. and in court he would not have a leg to stand on. he is the typical disgruntled dumbass trying to blame others for the fact that he is a dumbass. ihope he gets a better job, but down the road he will get pissed off about something he did that was stupid and blame the new company for it. that is how dumbasses like him operate.

Please only comments from those that actually drive a truck OTR , and have a clue , because it is a waste of my time explaining an answer to a completely stupid question LIKE why so much stuff on a truck that you live in for 4-6 weeks at a time with only being home for 3 days between trips ...This a question that smacks of a person that drives a desk not a truck ! :wink: Now run along and go helmet shopping :!:

In my case the only thing that was done that was stupid was expect to be treated with professional courtesy the company claims to expess towards it's drivers ....MY ONLY MISTAKE...And shold not have communicated my intentions to my FM like a professional in advance of me acually having my ASS covered just incase they decied to be less than professional . In the future this would never ba an issue if local , and even if OTR I would never give the opportinuty to be treated in this manner again . Now as far as ever being pissed at an employer again well lets stop and think about youself have you ever beenpissed off about how you were treated at an employer , and did this occour more than once in your life...It would be like me slapping you physically in the face ,and saying you have no right to express your disatisfaction with me

i see that from my post you can tell what i do for a living, good for you. what did you do, buy a dictionary today. the use of big words does not make you smarter. how is the new job by the way, i am sure it is a wonderful as you thought.

I can see you are blessed with an uncanny ability to open up a non-confrontational dialogue with an individual ...You must be one heck of a tool to be at your companies disposal for driver retention , and keeping turnover as low as possible.

:lol: :lol: :lol: .

A couple of days to empty a trucks cab?
I've emptied complete houses in a day.
.....and they had been lived in for years!?
Four to six hours, a day at the most!
Course it could take longer if the driver had to tell his story
to all around that would listen while vacating.

why is it for jack asses like yourself that when someone questions you, that you go straight to the insults? helmet shopping? never been otr? who are you? king to all truck drivers? well that is fine, at least i got my identity...and maybe your too, never know. and the reason for that is because i am not a dumb ass that would leave an important document like that in the cab of a truck. go ahead say some more mean stuff about me, try to hurt my feeling...if that is what makes you feel better. you ain't going to bother me the good buddy.

I wouldn't have a problem with them if they would learn to back that long nose pete, oh and if they would stay on their side of te road I don'nt like them taking their half out of the middle.