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Evinrude 09-20-2007 04:53 AM

radar detector
 
Is there any Radar Detectors on the market that can't be detected by police?

Uturn2001 09-20-2007 04:57 AM

Yep there sure is and it works in every state. It is called a spedometer and every vehicle has one and if used in conjunction with the signs posted along the road you will never get pulled over for speeding.

Malaki86 09-20-2007 05:02 AM


Originally Posted by Uturn2001
Yep there sure is and it works in every state. It is called a spedometer and every vehicle has one and if used in conjunction with the signs posted along the road you will never get pulled over for speeding.

heh - good answer :lol:

yoopr 09-20-2007 05:04 AM

get caught-you lose

harleypiper 09-20-2007 07:32 AM

AND police can't detect radar detectors, radar detectors detect radars which police use to detect speeds, LOL

Uturn2001 09-20-2007 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by harleypiper
AND police can't detect radar detectors, radar detectors detect radars which police use to detect speeds, LOL

Yes police can detect an operational radar detector. A radar detector is an active scanning device, not a passive one.

bouncer 09-20-2007 08:36 AM

Here's how it works Police use Radar you use a Radar detector to find a police officer using a Radar gun or other device.Police use a Radar detector detector yes they have them.You then try to use a new detector that can not be seen by the radar detector detector.Just remember 1 thing the radar gun will hit you before you even see the cop or the radar going off most of the time.Oh and BY THE WAY IT'S AGAINEST THE LAW FOR A COMMERICAL TO HAVE A RADAR DETECTOR.So not only will you get a huge ticket possible jail time but you will have your CDL taken away.

PackRatTDI 09-20-2007 09:16 AM

The only radar detector on the market that is completely undetectable by both SPECTRE and VG-2 detection units is the BELtronics STI driver.

http://www.challengermotors.co.nz/im...STI_Driver.jpg


AND police can't detect radar detectors, radar detectors detect radars which police use to detect speeds, LOL
Yes they can. Radar detector detectors pick up on the RF leakage that radar detectors give out. BELtronics has managed to build sufficient shielding around their componentry to block that leakage, making it invisible to both the VG-2 and the formerly undefeatable SPECTRE.

greg3564 09-20-2007 09:34 AM

Re: radar detector
 

Originally Posted by Evinrude
Is there any Radar Detectors on the market that can't be detected by police?

The bottom line is CMV's cannot have them and most companies have strict policies against them. Another issue is most officers don't leave their radars or laser on continously. They are typically trigger activated and they trigger it as soon as they see you. By then your expensive detector is too late and you'll get the ticket anyways.

JUST DON'T SPEED. Think of the money you'll save if you don't have to buy detectors, pay ticket costs, pay lawyers, etc.

Mr. Ford95 09-20-2007 09:43 AM

Greg has it, if they hit the Instant on button when they see you, your busted before your detector even beeps.

I saw one a few weeks ago in a pickup, the kid had it on and we went by a cruiser that was sitting parked while the cop was directing traffic. The detector was going nuts telling us we were right on top of the radar source yet his radar gun was not on, we looked in as we went by and nothing was flashing on the dash. For some reason it was up radar from a car that was turned off, only the light beacon on top was working. No other cruisers around the immediate area either.

What if the police are using aircraft?? You are not going to detect that with anything.

greg3564 09-20-2007 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by Mr. Ford95

What if the police are using aircraft?? You are not going to detect that with anything.

CHP has a lot of aircraft, especially on I-15 between L.A. and the Nevada border and I-10 from L.A. to the Arizona border. They use them quite a bit on I-5 up and down Calif. No way to detect those.

TruckerChris 09-20-2007 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by greg3564

Originally Posted by Mr. Ford95

What if the police are using aircraft?? You are not going to detect that with anything.

CHP has a lot of aircraft, especially on I-15 between L.A. and the Nevada border and I-10 from L.A. to the Arizona border. They use them quite a bit on I-5 up and down Calif. No way to detect those.

Turn your scanner on...

Twilight Flyer 09-20-2007 10:45 AM


What if the police are using aircraft?? You are not going to detect that with anything
Been there, done that, got the ticket. :shock: That was back in '83 even.

PackRatTDI 09-20-2007 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by kona911

Originally Posted by greg3564

Originally Posted by Mr. Ford95

What if the police are using aircraft?? You are not going to detect that with anything.

CHP has a lot of aircraft, especially on I-15 between L.A. and the Nevada border and I-10 from L.A. to the Arizona border. They use them quite a bit on I-5 up and down Calif. No way to detect those.

Turn your scanner on...

Yep, but make sure it's a good scanner that has digital/trunk tracking capabilities.

PackRatTDI 09-20-2007 11:17 AM

Re: radar detector
 

Originally Posted by greg3564

Originally Posted by Evinrude
Is there any Radar Detectors on the market that can't be detected by police?

The bottom line is CMV's cannot have them and most companies have strict policies against them. Another issue is most officers don't leave their radars or laser on continously. They are typically trigger activated and they trigger it as soon as they see you. By then your expensive detector is too late and you'll get the ticket anyways.

JUST DON'T SPEED. Think of the money you'll save if you don't have to buy detectors, pay ticket costs, pay lawyers, etc.

Laser units can't be used in continuous mode anyways, it has to be aimed and fired. And fortunately most LEO's in my experience are lazy enough that they use continuous mode. :wink:

Fredog 09-20-2007 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by PackRatTDI

Originally Posted by kona911

Originally Posted by greg3564

Originally Posted by Mr. Ford95

What if the police are using aircraft?? You are not going to detect that with anything.

CHP has a lot of aircraft, especially on I-15 between L.A. and the Nevada border and I-10 from L.A. to the Arizona border. They use them quite a bit on I-5 up and down Calif. No way to detect those.


Turn your scanner on.
..

also illegal

Yep, but make sure it's a good scanner that has digital/trunk tracking capabilities.


TruckerChris 09-20-2007 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by Fredog

Originally Posted by PackRatTDI

Originally Posted by kona911

Originally Posted by greg3564

Originally Posted by Mr. Ford95

What if the police are using aircraft?? You are not going to detect that with anything.

CHP has a lot of aircraft, especially on I-15 between L.A. and the Nevada border and I-10 from L.A. to the Arizona border. They use them quite a bit on I-5 up and down Calif. No way to detect those.


Turn your scanner on.
..

also illegal

Yep, but make sure it's a good scanner that has digital/trunk tracking capabilities.


Are you serious? :roll:

greg3564 09-20-2007 11:59 AM

It's not illegal to listen to scanners. Only if used in conjuntion with a crime, such as robbing a store or burglarizing a home, not speeding.

Fredog 09-20-2007 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by greg3564
It's not illegal to listen to scanners. Only if used in conjuntion with a crime, such as robbing a store or burglarizing a home, not speeding.

In Georgia a police scanner is illegal in a vehicle. ok to use at home. it may vary by state

interesting site pertaining to this
http://www.ncsl.org/programs/transpo...dar.htm#table2

greg3564 09-20-2007 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by Fredog

Originally Posted by greg3564
It's not illegal to listen to scanners. Only if used in conjuntion with a crime, such as robbing a store or burglarizing a home, not speeding.

In Georgia a police scanner is illegal in a vehicle. ok to use at home. it may vary by state

I went to several "scanning" websites and in all four they state that it is legal to posess a scanner in a vehicle. Might want to check you facts on that one.

The following is from the National Council of State Legislators.


Table 2: State Laws on Mobile Scanners
State
Description

CALIFORNIA
Scanner usage illegal in furtherance of a crime.

FLORIDA
Scanners illegal when mounted in vehicles unless the individual is a licensed alarm system contractor, a member of the press on assignment, a licensed amateur radio operator, or a citizen with written permission from the chief of police of sheriff.

INDIANA
Scanners illegal when mounted in vehicles unless the individual is a licensed alarm system contractor, a member of the press on assignment, a licensed amateur radio operator, or a citizen with written permission from the chief of police or sheriff.

KENTUCKY
Scanners are illegal while vehicles are mobile unless the user has a Federal Communications Commission licensure. Law enforcement officers are authorized to seize and destroy scanners. The law exempts the following:

retailers and wholesalers selling radios.
Commercial, educational, or television stations using them at the place of business.
Individuals at their residences.
Commercial towing trucks.
Newspaper reporters and photographers on duty.
Disaster and emergency services personnel with written permission from the state director of emergency services.
People holding a valid amateur radio license.
Peace officers authorized in writing by their agency head.
Commonwealth and county attorneys and their assistants.

MICHIGAN
Police receiver radios are illegal in vehicles unless the driver is an amateur-radio operator with technician-class license or above, or with written permission.

MINNESOTA
Mobile scanners are illegal except for police and amateur radio operators licensed by the Federal Communications Commission. The Superintendent of the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension also must give approval. Use of scanners in furtherance of a felony is illegal.

NEW JERSEY
Use in furtherance of a crime is illegal.

NEW YORK
Possessing a scanner is illegal for anyone without a permit.

OKLAHOMA
Use in furtherance of a crime is illegal.

SOUTH DAKOTA
Possession for use during a felony is illegal.

Use in business establishments legal with prior written permit.

Amateur radio operators exempted from law.

Confiscation for violations.

VERMONT
Use in furtherance of a crime is illegal.

VIRGINIA
Illegal if used to further a felony.

Fredog 09-20-2007 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by greg3564

Originally Posted by Fredog

Originally Posted by greg3564
It's not illegal to listen to scanners. Only if used in conjuntion with a crime, such as robbing a store or burglarizing a home, not speeding.

In Georgia a police scanner is illegal in a vehicle. ok to use at home. it may vary by state

I went to several "scanning" websites and in all four they state that it is legal to posess a scanner in a vehicle. Might want to check you facts on that one.

The following is from the National Council of State Legislators.


Table 2: State Laws on Mobile Scanners
State
Description

CALIFORNIA
Scanner usage illegal in furtherance of a crime.

FLORIDA
Scanners illegal when mounted in vehicles unless the individual is a licensed alarm system contractor, a member of the press on assignment, a licensed amateur radio operator, or a citizen with written permission from the chief of police of sheriff.

INDIANA
Scanners illegal when mounted in vehicles unless the individual is a licensed alarm system contractor, a member of the press on assignment, a licensed amateur radio operator, or a citizen with written permission from the chief of police or sheriff.

KENTUCKY
Scanners are illegal while vehicles are mobile unless the user has a Federal Communications Commission licensure. Law enforcement officers are authorized to seize and destroy scanners. The law exempts the following:

retailers and wholesalers selling radios.
Commercial, educational, or television stations using them at the place of business.
Individuals at their residences.
Commercial towing trucks.
Newspaper reporters and photographers on duty.
Disaster and emergency services personnel with written permission from the state director of emergency services.
People holding a valid amateur radio license.
Peace officers authorized in writing by their agency head.
Commonwealth and county attorneys and their assistants.

MICHIGAN
Police receiver radios are illegal in vehicles unless the driver is an amateur-radio operator with technician-class license or above, or with written permission.

MINNESOTA
Mobile scanners are illegal except for police and amateur radio operators licensed by the Federal Communications Commission. The Superintendent of the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension also must give approval. Use of scanners in furtherance of a felony is illegal.

NEW JERSEY
Use in furtherance of a crime is illegal.

NEW YORK
Possessing a scanner is illegal for anyone without a permit.

OKLAHOMA
Use in furtherance of a crime is illegal.

SOUTH DAKOTA
Possession for use during a felony is illegal.

Use in business establishments legal with prior written permit.

Amateur radio operators exempted from law.

Confiscation for violations.

VERMONT
Use in furtherance of a crime is illegal.

VIRGINIA
Illegal if used to further a felony.

your post contradicts what you just said. a bunch of states say its illegal unless you have a license or a permit

matcat 09-20-2007 01:01 PM

Just get a ham license and you will be square in all states :P

Uturn2001 09-20-2007 01:25 PM

One thing to keep in mind. What may be legal in a personal vehicle may be illegal in a CMV.

Trukrswyfe 09-20-2007 01:32 PM

I thought you just used the CB checking for Bears? :D Bears with cameras? No need for a scanner.

Fozzy 09-20-2007 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by Trukrswyfe
I thought you just used the CB checking for Bears? :D Bears with cameras? No need for a scanner.

Run the speed limit... save $ on childish electronic doo dads and get some peace and quiet.

Trukrswyfe 09-20-2007 01:46 PM

I completely agree overhead is Gas and Gas is money You are correct. I just radio talk its funny.
Hey west bound did you leave anything behind you? Yeah go brush your teeth and comb your hair. :lol:

Skywalker 09-20-2007 02:30 PM

Re: radar detector
 

Originally Posted by Evinrude
Is there any Radar Detectors on the market that can't be detected by police?

To my knowledge....all radar detectors are also transmitters....and their emissions are what are detected. Keep this in mind....it is against Federal Rules to have a "radar detector" in a CMV. Not only would a CMV driver be fined, but the device would be confiscated.

Also, even if someone came out with an "undetectable radar detector", on Monday at 8AM, more than likely by 5PM that same day there would be an "undetectable radar detector detector"......

Remember: Discretion is the better part of valor.

yoopr 09-20-2007 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by matcat
Just get a ham license and you will be square in all states :P

Right-Like other Ham Radio Operators care about where the Cops are :P

kc0iv 09-20-2007 11:42 PM

Re: radar detector
 

Originally Posted by Skywalker

Originally Posted by Evinrude
Is there any Radar Detectors on the market that can't be detected by police?

To my knowledge....all radar detectors are also transmitters....and their emissions are what are detected. Keep this in mind....it is against Federal Rules to have a "radar detector" in a CMV. Not only would a CMV driver be fined, but the device would be confiscated.

Also, even if someone came out with an "undetectable radar detector", on Monday at 8AM, more than likely by 5PM that same day there would be an "undetectable radar detector detector"......

Remember: Discretion is the better part of valor.

Skywalker, While technically radar detectors are NOT transmitters. However, they do radiate a signal that can be detected.

There are ways that the so called "detector - detector" will not detect the presents of a radar detector. But to my knowledge no one builds such a unit.

kc0iv

Doctor Who 09-21-2007 02:22 AM


Originally Posted by yoopr

Originally Posted by matcat
Just get a ham license and you will be square in all states :P

Right-Like other Ham Radio Operators care about where the Cops are :P

Sure they do...
It can be handy information to a ham operator in the next state as they travel towards the LEO's position.. Albeit the LEO may be long gone by the time the traveler gets to the location but the purpose had been served... :P

PackRatTDI 09-21-2007 02:47 AM

Re: radar detector
 

Originally Posted by kc0iv

Originally Posted by Skywalker

Originally Posted by Evinrude
Is there any Radar Detectors on the market that can't be detected by police?

To my knowledge....all radar detectors are also transmitters....and their emissions are what are detected. Keep this in mind....it is against Federal Rules to have a "radar detector" in a CMV. Not only would a CMV driver be fined, but the device would be confiscated.

Also, even if someone came out with an "undetectable radar detector", on Monday at 8AM, more than likely by 5PM that same day there would be an "undetectable radar detector detector"......

Remember: Discretion is the better part of valor.

Skywalker, While technically radar detectors are NOT transmitters. However, they do radiate a signal that can be detected.

There are ways that the so called "detector - detector" will not detect the presents of a radar detector. But to my knowledge no one builds such a unit.

kc0iv

They do, the Beltronics STI is undetectable. It's been documented several times in tests. Neither the VG-2 nor the SPECTRE can pick it up at all.

Popeye 09-21-2007 02:52 AM

Re: radar detector
 
[quote="PackRatTDI
They do, the Beltronics STI is undetectable. It's been documented several times in tests. Neither the VG-2 nor the SPECTRE can pick it up at all.[/quote]

Unfortunately it does not pick radar very well either :?

Fredog 09-21-2007 03:01 AM


Originally Posted by matcat
Just get a ham license and you will be square in all states :P

Be sure to check with Ray first

Mr. Ford95 09-21-2007 08:35 AM

Or the cops could use the poor man's detector-detector. Sit facing oncoming traffic but be shooting traffic going the opposite way, hit the Instant On and watch which dummy slaps their brakes on.

The novelty of having a detector is great but not worth it. They are illegal in VA for everyone, if you are stopped and a detector is within your reach, your charged and it's confiscated until your court date. The judge will usually give it back to you because it was used as evidence or the cop will allow you to avoid a ticket for it by making you smash it on the shoulder of the road. My brother got busted with one, even though it was in the backseat, unplugged and he could not reach it with ease, it was still reachable(so the judge said.) It would have been ok if it had been in the trunk and unplugged.

kc0iv 09-21-2007 09:14 AM

Re: radar detector
 

Originally Posted by PackRatTDI
They do, the Beltronics STI is undetectable. It's been documented several times in tests. Neither the VG-2 nor the SPECTRE can pick it up at all.


While the specs (other than it's poor receiver performance) on the Beltronics STI does look good it still used a single conversion converter. Which does have leakage of the conversion frequency. And as such a "detector - detector" unit can detect this conversion.

A much better process is to use a 2 or 3 conversion process. By so doing this "detector - detector" will not see the conversion. An even better approach would be to use a digital processed oscillator that keeps changing the local oscillator.

Problem is I'm not sure it could be build and meet the price constraints.

kc0iv

Ducimus 09-21-2007 09:16 AM

In my daily life comings and goings, whenever i get the urge to put the hammer down, i always ask myself one simple question:

Can i afford the ticket?

Shortly afterwords, my foot always leaves the gas pedal for a few seconds to slow back down. :lol:

PackRatTDI 09-21-2007 10:15 AM

Re: radar detector
 
[quote=Popeye]

Originally Posted by "PackRatTDI
They do, the Beltronics STI is undetectable. It's been documented several times in tests. Neither the VG-2 nor the SPECTRE can pick it up at all.[/quote

Unfortunately it does not pick radar very well either :?

Well, that's not what I've read in the most recent tests but whatever.

countryhorseman 09-21-2007 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by Uturn2001
Yep there sure is and it works in every state. It is called a spedometer and every vehicle has one and if used in conjunction with the signs posted along the road you will never get pulled over for speeding.

This post makes the most sense of all of them!

Better yet, DON"T get on the road, if your only thought is breaking the law! I make good money without having to break any laws.

It amazes me the energy that people will expend, to figure out how to get away with breaking the law. If one were to exert the same energy into doing things legaly, they would be less stressed, and in most cases, have much more money in their pockets at the end of the week. Wouldn't you say!

I will wave at ya when you go by!

Fredog 09-21-2007 11:31 AM

Re: radar detector
 
[quote=PackRatTDI]

Originally Posted by Popeye

Originally Posted by "PackRatTDI
They do, the Beltronics STI is undetectable. It's been documented several times in tests. Neither the VG-2 nor the SPECTRE can pick it up at all.[/quote

Unfortunately it does not pick radar very well either :?

Well, that's not what I've read in the most recent tests but whatever.


dont forget that the same companies make the detectors and the detector detectors, so they will always come up with new ways to defeat both as long as people are willing to buy them

PackRatTDI 09-21-2007 12:27 PM

Re: radar detector
 
[quote=Fredog]

Originally Posted by PackRatTDI

Originally Posted by Popeye

Originally Posted by "PackRatTDI
They do, the Beltronics STI is undetectable. It's been documented several times in tests. Neither the VG-2 nor the SPECTRE can pick it up at all.[/quote

Unfortunately it does not pick radar very well either :?

Well, that's not what I've read in the most recent tests but whatever.


dont forget that the same companies make the detectors and the detector detectors,

The SPECTRE is built by Stealth Micro Systems of Australia. The VG-2 Interceptor is built by Technisonic Industries Ltd. Neither company builds radar detectors. :wink:


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