Log Books
 

Im a little confused with this.If i drive 11 hrs a day i must have 12 hrs off duty?? but if i drive 10 hrs its not

nope

you must take 10 hrs off when you reach 11 hrs driving or 14 hours on duty which ever happens first

I copied this from my post in the "Poor Pre-Trips Post":

To reset your On-Duty time: (14hr on duty/11hr driving) you must have a 10hr break, no variations on drive time/on duty or on the break times.

Re: Log Books
 

First off, I have to ask if this is a serious question. There is a lot of "joking" going around on the board right now, so I'm not sure if you're yankin' our chains.

Where would you have heard ANYTHING about a 12 hour break?

If you are serious, I think you are adding the 2 hour break to the 10 hour break, which means you need to start back at square ONE, and let us explain it to you.

I will be more than happy to do so, but I don't like being "played." Without the use of the emoticons, it is sometimes hard to tell if someone is joking or not. Please don't take offense. Just tell me if you zinged one over my head or not.

I assume we are talking USA regs here.

The basic regs are simple.

After a 10 hour break you have 14 hours to drive up to 11 hours. After the 14th hour or upon reaching 11 hours of drive time you may not drive again until you have completed a 10 hour break.

Do yourself a favor. Forget about split sleeper berth options. Not worth the hassle anymore. Just take your 10 hour break all at once and be done with it.

BTW your 10 hour break can be all sleeper, all off duty, or any combo of both.

Finally if you do not do any work at all for at least 34 hours you many reset your 70 hour limit.

See, this is where we have a problem. I KNOW I've discussed this on a thread with you before, tdriver! I'm SURE that YOU understand the rules, and what you are saying makes sense to YOU. But, it doesn't to ME, and I don't think it will to a newbie.

A "literal" translation of what you said would indicate that IF a driver drove 11 hours straight (after the intitial pre-trip for the day,) he "MUST" then immediately shutdown for 10. OR that he would have to do so after 14 hours. NEITHER is true!

I can start at 6 a.m today, and not take my 10 off until 6 a.m tomorrow, if that's how it works out! I just can't DRIVE for more than 11 hours within that time, and NOT after 14 hours from the time I started!

I have 14 hours in which to drive my 11, but I could WORK all night after the 14 if I wanted to - on line 4! I just can't DRIVE again, until I've had 10 hours off duty!

You KNOW that! So, WHY do you imply that one HAS to shutdown for 10 hours IMMEDIATELY after 11 hours of driving OR after the 14 hour "driving duty window?"

I don't think you MEAN that, but that is what you are SAYING!

Fozzy said it quite well in another thread.

The HOS regs only tells you when you can drive. It has nothing to do when you can work.

Im serious. I drive a F-650 48 states delivering and installing signs and i have never used log books before.Id like to get the most drive time per day because i usually make astop for a sign once a day.When i fuel or stop and eat is that considered off duty or on duty not driving??And for the hour thing.I never drive more then 9 hrs aday because im not sure how muc longer i got?? Any help appreciated

You drive a ford f-650, what do you do, stay in hotels? and how long are you gone? Overnite, a couple of days, or more? You log up to 70 hours in any combination of line 3 and 4 (in 8 days), then you cannot drive again until you have a 34 hour break. as far as fuel, I always log 15 min. on line 4-on duty, not driving when getting fuel. No matter if it is not very busy and I can get done fueling in 5 min, or if it is so busy it takes me 15 min waiting in line, then 5 min to pump the fuel, then another 10 min to get the reciept. As far as getting something to eat, I always put that on line 1, off duty. hope this helps.

You're not REQUIRED to have a 34hr restart if you run out of hours on your 70hr week. You will only be limited by the number of hours that you can drive, instead of the full 11/14 for the day.

I've only ever taken 2 34hr restarts on the road. One was caused when my truck was in the shop for 2 days and the other was simply because I was sick and needed a break.

Sorry, your information is not totally accurate.


The 34 hour reset is an option. It is not a requirement. You can still gain hours back the "old" way by letting them drop off on the 9th day back.

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Any work that you do, including fueling the work vehicle, is On duty.

Eating and other breaks may be taken as Off Duty if you have been relieved for all responsibility for the load and the vehicle by the owner of the equipment/load. You will need to have this in writing in order to log it off duty.

One thing that no-one has mentioned is this:

If the vehicle he is driving is not "heavy" enough....and I think its 26001 lb GVWR to make the cut..... he doesn't need a log book, and can pretty much do as he pleases....UNLESS he is transporting hazmat.

I don't have a copy of the FMCSR's with me...I'm in a motel at present, so if I'm wrong, please correct me. But I'm thinking that a Ford 650 isn't heavy enough.... :?

It is 10,001 lbs, and you basically have to look in several places to figure it out.

390.5


In the guidance for 395.1

Uturn you must get back in the drivers seat!
You have way to much time on your hands, and are getting way to smart to ever become a driver agian.
Hope all is well, you do give good advice on here.
I will tell them to leave a light on at the terminal for you.

This may seem like a dumb question but, I'm gonna ask it anyway. Is the 24 hr. period from 12 AM to 12 AM or from when you started driving until that time the next day according to the HOS rules? In other words if I started driving at 2 PM and drove until 12 AM then I was off duty for 14 hrs. that day. So, will I still need a 10 hr. break before I can start driving on the next day? Thanks for any help you can give me.

Great question! but NO! The 14 hours starts whenever you go to work following the 10 hour break. So if you go to work at 7:00 AM, logically you can DRIVE for 11 hours and work and drive within the next 14 hours. If you work and drive 8 hours and take a ten hour break, the 14 hours begins again. This really sounds confusing, but its really not. After the ten hour break you get to work and drive, when the 14 hours is up you may no longer DRIVE. The 24 hour period is just that.. a 24 hour period, it has no bearing on when you actually work.

Thanks alot fozzy. That was a big help. But, let me get it straight. If I drive 11 hrs. then I have to take a 10 hr. break regardless of the time frame. Right?

Correct you must take the break before you can drive again.[/u][/i][/b]

YES! The most important thing to learn is that Hours of Service are about access to the steering wheel. Unless you get the proper break in , you cannot drive. For example, if you are sitting somewhere on duty on a dock somewhere and work for 12 hours, you can drive a whopping 2 hours and you are finished driving for the day. When you get in the proper break of ten hours, you now have a fresh start of 14 hours with eleven to drive. The 14 hours can be a little confusing also, if you hop up in the morning and drive eleven hours straight, your driving day is over in eleven hours, you'd still be able to WORK just not able to drive until you get a full break in.

And, if you drive 11 hours, and have the three left on your 14.....but you choose to start your ten hour break....you can, and as soon as you complete the 10 hour off/sleeper break, you have reset your 11/14 clocks and can drive 11 hours again and have 14 hours again. Its easier to work with than you might think....it just takes a little getting used to and being able to think an calculate it forward so you don't make a mistake and end up in violation.

Most drivers never have to deal with the 14 hour rule and how drivers can work as long as they want as long the driving does not exceed 11 hours after the 10 hour break.

It is much easier to understand the rules if you do things simply at first. Start your day at 6:45 with a 15 minute pre-trip on line 4. Go to line 3 for 5 hours and then go to line 1 for one hour. Get some food and take a short nap. Go back to line 3 for 5 hours and shut down for the day. Take 30 minutes for a post-trip and logging, then go to off duty until the same time the next day. Rinse, repeat until this makes sense forward and backward. It can very easy to get screwed up when your driving jumps from one log sheet to the next.

I rarely had to log tons of line 4 until I was running regional at the tail end of my career. I would arrive in Seattle or Portland at say 8:30 and stay on line 4 doing deliveries all over town. I would drive maybe 80 miles and make the 7 or 8 stops all on line 4 labeled as "Seattle, WA - multiple stops". No problems until it was time to drive to Portland and I had to make up for the 80 miles driven in Seattle. No big whoop.

OTR is mostly about pre-trips, driving and sleeping. Lines 4, 3 and 2.
This whole deal is not that complicated. Slow down (mentally) and try to not do too much with your log book. Keep it simple.