the truth plz
 

the only thing that i keep seening wrong with this is that BiggsAtlas is he can't seem to tell the truth to us

the news said he was cited for Negligent Driving..
in his Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:51 am he said "I wasn't cited"
but in his Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:33 pm " I just got back from my hearing in Seattle. A court of law found me NOT GUILTY of 2nd Degree Negligent Driving " sounds to me by his own words the news had that right..

in his Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:17 pm "my lawyers have requested that we wait for OFFICIAL charges to be brought before asking both the WSP and the media for a clarification/Retraction"
as stated above you were charged ...negligent driving
and if you had a lawyer for this then why didn't you use him for your negligent driving charge...??
oh thats right you said in your Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 3:59 pm "I represented myself not because I have an attitude, but because it made no sense to hire one." but you already had a lawyer ready for a Retraction....?

you said "I have never had a commercial driving ticket in over 700,000 miles."at an avg of 125,000 miles a year and you being 27 you started driving a CMV at 21...? if i did my math right

try just telling the truth

for it is better for the world to think you a fool than to open your mouth and show them you are

Re: the truth plz
 

If you cant drive 125k miles a year, You need to get a new JOB!!!
Quit nitpicking at his posts, it dosent make you look any smarter. What are you CADS post police, judge and jury??????? We need to give you the chicken little award also...lol Go ahead, be led by the media, all I can say to you is MOOOOOO,MOOOOO,MOOOOOOO....lol

what i said was that it is hard to beleave someone that can't keep his story the same. the news said he was charged.... he said he wasn't... then he comes back and said he beat it, so by HIS words the news was right ON THAT point.

i never said that the news was right all the time did i ...?

it's not NITPICKING to point out when someone's story changes
if you say something never happened and then you say it did then by definition one of the two is a lie RIGHT...?

if someone comes on here and has four post on one thread and can't keep his story the same then how can a rational person beleave them...

you have your opinion and sometimes i think you are right just not this time

in either case this looks bad for trucking and it will not come out in the news that he beat it and that IS unfortunate.

I have to disagree with you completely. I got my CDL at age 21, after 6 weeks of "school" then 3 months with my old man. We ran as a single driver basically.

I'm sorry but I see more "supertruckers" and generally bad drivers with guys in the 40 year old range. These guys are set in their ways.

After going with my old man for 3 months, I bought my own truck. I do not regret it for a second.

you just gave a prime example of what the press does to a statement to twist peoples words so that they fit their objective. you quoted biggs as saying "i was not cited" but his actual quote was "I wasnt cited at the scene" taken out of context it competently changes the meaning. he was most likely cited after the fact due to pressure from the community based on news reports. how do we know that the officer didn't say that he was clocking people at 70 miles an hour before the first accident and the press then took that statement and one about bigs and twisted it. lets face it the big speeding trucker with a checkered past sells more papers then the truth.

flood if your going to call someone a liar you better check your facts and if your going to quote someone to try to disprove them you better make sure your right cause otherwise you look like the ass

Re: the truth plz
 

how do you know that he didn't talk to a lawyer (as most offer free consultations) and after receiving only a citation he chose not to pay the retainer to hire the lawyer. or maybe the lawyer he hired for the retraction doesn't deal with traffic violations maybe you should take a little of your own advice!

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Good post Mudd, their quick to assume the worst in a driver. and always want to prove someone WRONG to elevate their GODHOOD!! Sorry flood, I must say MOOOOOOOO,MOOOOOOO,MOOOOOOO to YOU.

Uglymutt, that is the most biased opinion I ever thought I'd hear on here.. Why wait till 34, then you're OLD like you. :roll: :roll:

Got my cdl at 22, owner operator, and safe so far. Over 34 are all punks to me. Gman and Yoopr should never be allowed to drive too. Idiot drivers are of all ages.

See, even I can say stupid things too :roll:

OK....HERE WE GO AGAIN... When I stated that I wasnt cited....I was referring to not being cited AT THE SCENE.....I was cited AFTER and investigation a few days later. When I said our lawyers advised me etc....I was referring to my company's lawyers who were dealing only with the slander of me and my company and the media retraction...I have actually decided not to even pursue that although I beleive they still are..... 21???? Actually, I have been driving commercial vehicles of some sort since I was 18 (16 if you count 14 ft cube vans) My father owned a moving company so I grew up around commercial vehicles. I know what a few will say "16???? You have to be 18 (21 to cross state lines) to drive CMV's. You got me, when I was 16 I drove small CMV's (non combination) without a CDL. Hows that for honesty? I broke the law yet agian.... rack it up with my neon lights and my jaywalking and my complete inability to pay tickets on time, parking or otherwise. Bear in mind the difference being RECKLESSNESS and not always OBEYING THE LAW. One shows a disregard for rules (which is what my record shows I do quite a bit of in my younger days) and one shows sheer stupidity and disregard for my safety and that of others.
This will be my last post.....no matter what anyone writes I am done talking about this......I have let this go ....its amusing to me how a few seem to have to pick everything apart.

Useless....thanks for your post....friends. And thanks to everyone who had something nice to say. I hope this last post answered any lingering questions. If it didnt I guess you'll have to live...

thank you for comming back and cleaning the air as to what i was seeing in your post. i had qustions as to what you had said happened and now i don't. thank you again for clearing things up,

I'm not nit picking at you, I'm being straight up. Driving like what you did is exactly what killed a handful of people the other day in Indiana. Almost exactly what you did. You; to me, are on the same level as drug users; sub-human scum.

I hope you remember that the next time you drive recklessly; what would you have done if you 'did' hurt someone?


Cheers

and i have a valid license that is clean and i can't get a job cause i have no experience....how did he have a job

MSMAN: IF you read this whole thread, you might give the guy a break. Also, given the glass house YOU live in.... I wouldn't be throwing stones at a veteran driver.

let me clarify my self:
if i can't find a driving job with a clean record just because of a lack of experience then that is a little farfetched of a stroy it had to be a misprint
and the state troper just let everyone run 70+mph given the weather conditions... they should be blaming the officer

MSMAN said:

First, a "lack of experience" is a common problem in this industry, but MOSTLY if you are looking for local jobs. (I'm not sure WHY!)

Second, I got hired right out of school, NOT by a "training company" with a "less than stellar record." I would think YOU can find a job as well, if you look in the right places.

Third, if you read the whole thread, you'd see that MOST of those "citations" were for non driving related incidents. NO misprint. The driver came on here and admitted the "offenses."

Fourth, I, for one, DID blame the officer, and I believe the drivers last post indicated that the court did as well.

I understand YOUR frustration. I really do wish you well. But, dissing another veteran driver does not make you look any better. Take a deep breath, look long and hard into the mirror, then take YOUR life by the horns and make the best of it!

Your clarification is noted. I apologize if my post sounded condescending. It wasn't meant to be. I'm trying to help you, as are others. Stay with us on this, read alot of threads. This is a great forum! I hope you get as much out of it as I and others do.

MOOOOOOO,MOOOOOO,MOOOOOOOO :roll: :roll: :roll:

Right on!...except I think Biggs said he was doing 25mph. Either way, lots of people in this thread that haven't read past the 2nd post.

After following this thread,I sure read this article about the Bay Bridge tanker accident differently than the way it was presented.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/02/hig....ap/index.html

I went past the place the bridge collapsed yesterday in a Uhaul :shock:

I was riding someones ass who was going 5mph to stare at it, despite the traffic behind him :lol: at 6pm

I know I said that I was done posting on this thread but after seeing the last post about the tanker driver and the freeway collapse I decided what the hell since Im not talking about me.

I havent heard or seen enough of this story to even have a somewhat informed opinion. However I truly hope people dont rush to judgement on this man because of his record. Not only because of my recent incident but because I knew a man just like him. For almost five years I owned my own moving company doing primarily military relocations although were also a commercial agent for Carlyle Van Lines. When we agreed to represent Carlyle, we began the tedious process of trying to hire drivers to run 48 for us. The problem was not only did we have to approve the driver but so did Carlyle. After interviewing one man, myself and my father (who owned it before me and still helped out) were thoroughly impressed. The man had the experience not only as a driver but also as a mover. He was the nicest man you could meet, went to church every chance he got, very courteous and respectful, great with customers, just all around great guy. Then when I asked him to sign the background check release he said he needed to talk about that. He said he didnt want to hide anything and that he had a spotty criminal background from decades before and that 10 years prior he had checked himself into a rehab program for chemical dependency (I dont recall what type) He said he had been sober every day since then and asked if there was anything we could do. I spoke to his counselers and administrative staff and got nothing but glowing reports. They had even asked him to speak to others in the program. I wanted to give him a second chance. Everyone at Carlyle wanted to give him a chance....except for one. One person in safety coudlnt look past the record (which did not include any theft related issues or ANY CMV violations) One of the best drivers (and men for that matter) I had ever met was denied a chance because he had gotten in trouble and asked for help. That thing that really burnt me was that they didnt care that I kept him on to ride with the new freight drivers I had hired to train them into HHG. Apparently if you commit a crime it only affects your ability to drive and not your ability to be around customers and enter their houses. He wasnt given a second chance when he deserved one, so when I see that this guy had a past and was given a shot I have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

So when I see the news report saying basically that he never should have been given a license it kinda irritates me. If his arrest for drugs had been driving related I dont believe he would have been able to obtain employment as a driver. So to say "You did some drugs back in the day and went to jail so you definitely couldnt have changed and your obviously at fault for this now is highly predjudical. Even if he IS at fault (which he very well could be) Why couldnt they just say, "we believe AFTER AN INVESTIGATION that the driver was speeding and leave it at that?? Why cant they just tell the truth about what they know for a fact instead of drudging up things from peoples past to make it more interesting. They specifically say that investigators dont believe drugs or alcohol were a factor. Since he passed the screening and possible randoms I assume hes been clean altough I KNOW that doesnt prove anything. And if he has beeen clean and got himself a job instead of not a media bitchslapping.

They say in the news report (the video) that they werent any witnesses or if there were they're in the rubble too. So what are they basing the speed accusation on? Probably nothing at this point but a speeding doper with a funny last name makes a way better story than John Smith, driver from nowhere with no record and no violations or vices being involved in an accident of undetermined causes.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I just hope that everybody gives this man the benefit of the doubt as so many have done for me. What I have said here is based on what Ive read to date but I havent had a chance to completely research this. So if theyve come out with something new please post it.

BiggsAtlas The reason I see the news doing what they do is Those Darn Killer Truck Drivers image just to sell a paper or a Ad for their news cast.

People only see the bad in others, and think they will never change. This is what really pisses me off! Most believe you are guilty untill proven innocent, untill it happens to them....lol