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five times for driving on a suspended driver's license
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the news report says clocked on radar at 70mph.if the news and the wsp dont know what they are talking about maybe you can demand a retraction from the news.the widow of one of the men killed by the tweaker log truck driver is on the news.she is demanding more wsps and more traffic stops on "scary"l looking trucks.this guy ways using meth and the second time he lost his load he was going 70mph and killed 2 scientists.he got 4 1/2 years in prison and blames his boss for pushing him so hard.this was all on nwcn.
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Originally Posted by glasman2
What is "contributing premises to minors"?
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As far as the contributing premises to minors that means that when I was 21 my 20 yr old roomate had a party (while I was gone) with some other underagers, they got busted and since the place was in my name I got charged w/ contributing premises to minors which I had dismissed in court.
As for a retraction, it is pending, my lawyers have requested that we wait for OFFICIAL charges to be brought before asking both the WSP and the media for a clarification/Retraction. Believe me, it irritates the hell out of me that I cant say anything because I have spent half of the last month explaining myself to people who automatically believe everything the see on the news. As for the Driving on suspended, I had my license suspended on three different occasions for failure to pay the afforementioned defective equiptment tickets....it was suspended in the third degree which until recently in WA meant that they do suspend it at will without notice. All three times I was out on a run and took care of it immediately upon returning.....the other 2 times were both errors on the DOLs part related to reinstatement paperwork.....all but 1 were DISMISSED WITHOUT PREDJUDICE.. It is easy for people to look at the number of times cited and go "Oh my god what a $%@* up....I have never had a commercial driving ticket in over 700,000 miles. I have driven coast to coast in all kinds of weather and never had ANY incidents. But you wont hear that on the news. |
Re: Think about it
Originally Posted by BiggsAtlas
For those of you who have apparently spent so much time critizing me (Shawn R Biggs, Atlan Van LInes driver) answer me this: If you were driving down an icy pass at 70 mph and booked a hard left, would you just jackknife and slide a little, or would you not roll? At the time of the accident I was only going 25 mph...the news reports never say I was clocked at 70 because I WASNT....the state patrol officer (who by parking his car in the right lane of traffic while he checked on an accident that had already occured caused this accident) wasnt even in his car....it took him 20 minutes to walk back to the accident scene after we came to a stop.....also if I was going 70, why wasnt I arrested at the scene? this rookie officer parked his car in the right lane of traffic just around a curve, I had a car traveling directly to my left so I couldnt change lanes so I had to either hit the patrol car head on and launch him into the accident victims he was securing or wait for the car next to me to get in front of me so I could get over knowing it would cause a jackknife......my decision while it may have inconvienienced some people...saved lives.... As for my driving record,,,, the 18 times I have been cited include several instances of noise complaints, contributing premises to minors, and jaywalking as well as 5 tickets for defective equiptment for having neon lights under my car... I was cited for a dui but NOT CONVICTED (cold + cough syrup....use your imagination)None of this was in the last 5 years and All of this was checked out by Atlas Van Lines safety dept who has a VERY thorough application process. The state patrol officer is afraid of being blamed for this accident which is why every time the media writes a new report they have mysteriously new info.....I wasnt cited at the scene....tha should speak for itself......if anybody has any questions feel free....but I would appreciate it if u would stop critisizing something u know nothing about
I hope you get things worked out. Welcome to the board! Goin Fer It's Wife |
Like the old saying goes....
Everyone in prison is innocent. With a record like that , its obvious there is a total lack of responsibility for anything that this person does and it very easily crosses over into driving habits. It reminds me when I was coming over the Smokey's last week and stopped at the brake check area and all I heard over the CB was these boneheads pissed off that some drivers were adhering to the speed limit going down the mountain pass. Their reasoning... "Ah hell, I've done it hundreds of times" Sorry, I've shaved hundreds of times as well, but that doesnt mean I wont get cut on the the 101'st |
Originally Posted by inmate1577
Like the old saying goes....
Everyone in prison is innocent. With a record like that , its obvious there is a total lack of responsibility for anything that this person does and it very easily crosses over into driving habits. Their reasoning... "Ah hell, I've done it hundreds of times" Sorry, I've shaved hundreds of times as well, but that doesnt mean I wont get cut on the the 101'st Read his post. Now if these or most of them were moving violations I think our feelings would be right, but since he came on the board and gave us further insight to his incident I think we should give him the benefit of doubt. Goin Fer It's Wife |
Like I said....
Everyone in prison is innocent and there is always "their version of events". |
:roll: Se Habla Bull :dung:
Yeah, a record like that, and NONE of it is your fault??? The rookie cop was wrong, the news reportere were wrong, someone else threw the party at your house while you were gone, the DUI was over cough syrup, and the license suspensions were all "just one of those things"!!??!! Yep, Old "RoadRunner9501" has made a comeback here at CAD for sure!! If anyone believes this dude, then PLEASE send me a P.M. ASAP!!! I am in urgent need of your help!! I have a deceased uncle who is living in Nigeria, and he just won $418 million dollars the Nigerian Lottery, and wants to move to The United States. He is also trying DESPERATELY to bring his wife, who is a retired homeless nun who was living by a parking meter, but her shopping cart was just recently towed away because her parking meter expired, and because the shopping cart had neon lights underneath it. BTW, they also conffiscated her cough syrup as well!! My uncle is having trouble with the Immigration Bureau, because his untimely death has caused paperwork problems, and he needs a lawyer who is a specialist in African Tribal Contract Law, Nigerian Lottery law, AND Nigerian Parking Meter law. In order to help him redeem his ticket, he only needs $12,500. for legal fees, $17,500. for parking tickets, $145,00. to get the shopping cart out of the impoundment yard, and another twenty three people to send $25,000. each to sponsor him and his wife. There will also be a rather hefty tarriff in order to import my Homeless Aunt's shopping cart. In return, he is offering $300 million to each donor in return for their help. P.M. me for more info, and PLEASE remember to include your bank account and routing numbers, and Social Security Number so that the funds can be electronicly deposited into your account. But please remember that confidentiality is important, so calling the police, the Fed's, or your spouse could cause some serious problems and create unneccessary delays in getting these funds deposited into your account. :P |
I never said none of it was my fault, you redneck piece of shit. The news reporters are wrong because they are reporting what the cop told them and he is lying. My roommate did have a party while I was gone that got me in some shit. Have I ever had a wild fucked up party that got busted???? yes and that pertains to my noise complaint violation which was one of the 18 violations. The dui was over cough syrup and I don't give a fuck if you believe that or not. The DWLS's weren't just one of those things, I just merely pointed out that they were unpaid parking tickets and I think one of my def equp. tickets. Ive taken responsibility for everything Ive done, but almost everyone on here is failing to put them in the proper perspective. NONE of these violations show a disposition toward vehicular negligence. So I've had parties....so Ive put neon lights under my car....so Ive driven while suspended....so fucking what??? I challenge you all to get a copy of my MVR or DCH and tell me that anything on there shows Ive ever done anything remotely close to this...... Find me an accident.....find me a speeding ticket for more than 5 over....There have only been 3 since birth and they were all in cars) Find me anything showing that I am predisposed to willfully putting other peoples lives at risk....but you wont be able to. I broken rules/laws in the past and sometimes I still do....but to blanketly say that I am guilty because your little inbred mind cant fathom somebody who has parties and puts lights on his car and has the audacity to jaywalk could possibly be innocent of something completely unrelated. Go fuck yourself. And for those of u out there who have given me the benefit of the doubt, thank you. For everyone else I can only hope that someday something happens to u and all of your past mistakes convict u immediately.
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:roll: Reduced to a cyber temper tantrum now???
Big A, Keep feeding yourself this line of bull :dung: over and over again.....say it with feeling.....who knows??? Someday, you may even come to believe it yourself!! :P If your sister knew that you were going to turn out like this, she would have never given birth to you!! Seen your type too many times!! :roll: |
Originally Posted by BiggsAtlas
For everyone else I can only hope that someday something happens to u and all of your past mistakes convict u immediately.
Hard as it may be for someone like you to believe, there ARE those of us in the world who keep our lives in order, so we don't need to worry about having our past come back to haunt us, we don't need to blame everybody else for our misconduct, and we don't have to invent a long list of feeble excuses to explain DUI's, 18 tickets, numerous drivers license suspensions, 30 care pile-ups, or arrests caused by someone else having parties at our homes raided by the police!! :roll: :roll: |
Originally Posted by inmate1577
Like I said....
Everyone in prison is innocent and there is always "their version of events". |
BiggsAtlas you know that all one has to do is to read what you have said to know you are full of :dung:
1st to roll over your tires would have to have SOME bite on the road you can slid sideways at 70 if you have no grip and looking at the skid marks in the snow you were going well over the 25mph you say you were. 2nd as to the WAP parked "with his lights ON" in the right lane "while he checked on an accident that had already occured" will da just ware should he park to keep YOU from hitting the accident that he was checking out....? "wasnt even in his car" well da again..! i guess you think he should just sit in his car and not check to see if people are ok...?? "it took him 20 minutes to walk back to the accident scene after we came to a stop" so he's should just stop taking care of other people and run out and check on your a$$..? "if I was going 70, why wasnt I arrested at the scene?" "I wasnt cited at the scene" not what king5 news said "I was cited for a dui but NOT CONVICTED" gee sounds like somthing O J would say "As far as the contributing premises to minors that means that when I was 21 my 20 yr old roomate had a party (while I was gone) with some other underagers, they got busted and since the place was in my name I got charged w/ contributing premises to minors which I had dismissed in court" still sound's like O J "As for the Driving on suspended, I had my license suspended on three different occasions for failure to pay the afforementioned defective equiptment tickets....it was suspended in the third degree which until recently in WA meant that they do suspend it at will without notice. All three times I was out on a run and took care of it immediately upon returning" you know any REAL man would have paid the tickets before going out on the road but YOU just thought that I will take care of it when i have the time..! "the other 2 times were both errors on the DOLs part related to reinstatement paperwork" you didn't check to see if the paper work was done right..? "all but 1 were DISMISSED WITHOUT PREDJUDICE" and what about that one..? "Ive taken responsibility for everything Ive done" "so Ive driven while suspended....so **** what???" "Find me an accident.....find me a speeding ticket for more than 5 over" "There have only been 3 since birth and they were all in cars" "I broken rules/laws in the past and sometimes I still do" and YOU realy said "NONE of these violations show a disposition toward vehicular negligence" you life shows a disposition negligence..! and btw i have not had a ticket or accident and i have been driving longer than you have been alive you said it so well Useless |
sorry forgot to add this
http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori....51e2738b.html |
Well, hopefully, this a$$hole is now out of a job AND a livelyhood.
By his own statements, he has exhibited a repeated pattern of wantant disregard for the law, flagrant violations, and he has repeatedly exhibited no regard for other people. He seems to believe that rules and laws are for other people beside him. Seen his type all to many times; some low-rider moron who blasts his bass so loud that it rattles the windows of houses four blocks away. A record like that, none of it is his fault, and a never ending list of lame excuses and justifications. All the while, absolute ZERO when it comes to accepting personal responsibility for his decisions and conduct. We already have too many jokers like this out on the road. Hopefully, there is now one less!!! |
I'm staying out of this one, I'm sure more information will come out later.
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Originally Posted by golfhobo
The flow of westbound traffic was all moving in excess of 70 mph, the trooper confirmed. Despite heavy snowfall and strong gusty winds, traffic failed to slow appropriately. Its' nutty to drive that fast when it's snowing heavy and especially windy. I drove thru wyoming in that storm last month at around 50mph. Gusty winds and roads covered in snow. Just look at my avatar and you will see. I saw trucks and 4 wheelers left and right ditched. You just have to be careful. |
Rather Biggs telling the truth or not, or if the Media telling the truth or no just be thankful no deaths.
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Originally Posted by Rob_0126
Its' nutty to drive that fast when it's snowing heavy and especially windy. I drove thru wyoming in that storm last month at around 50mph. Gusty winds and roads covered in snow. Just look at my avatar and you will see. I saw trucks and 4 wheelers left and right ditched. You just have to be careful.
Was it slick? |
Originally Posted by allan5oh
Originally Posted by Rob_0126
Its' nutty to drive that fast when it's snowing heavy and especially windy. I drove thru wyoming in that storm last month at around 50mph. Gusty winds and roads covered in snow. Just look at my avatar and you will see. I saw trucks and 4 wheelers left and right ditched. You just have to be careful.
Was it slick? When I got to Kansas, it was different. Course, didnt matter, my truck broke the crankshaft so I had to hang in Colby, KS a few days. :roll: 1 degree at nite it was, not to mention the windchill factor. |
NOT GUILTY
For anyone who is still interested in this topic, I just got back from my hearing in Seattle. A court of law found me NOT GUILTY of 2nd Degree Negligent Driving. I know some of you will surely be pissed because I "must have worked the system" but that is certainly not the case. This was not a jury trial, with everyday people who might acquit me because they sympathize with me. It was a hearing, with a codgy, grumpy judge who didnt like me from the start. I had no fancy lawyer. Instead I simply represented myself. After hearing all the FACTS and EVIDENCE (not what he heard on the news), and testimony from the officer he determined that I was not at faultand NOT GUILTY. He was able to look past my prior record and recognize the fact that because Ive had tickets in the past (none of which being commercial) that I wasnt automatically guilty of this charge. To all those who gave me the benefitof the doubt, again I thank you. To everyone else, maybe this will change your mind. If not, oh well, I'm over it.
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Originally Posted by homer
i always thought those moving van drivers were the worst.
Seriously, theres more idiot freighthaulers out there, but we both have our own opinions, so we'll leave it at that. |
I was qualified with Atlas via agent 729. Atlas has one of the strictest hiring requirements, parallelling United/Mayflower.
Remember, 3 sides to ever story- 1 person's side, the oher person's side, and what REALLY happened. |
Re: NOT GUILTY
Originally Posted by BiggsAtlas
For anyone who is still interested in this topic, I just got back from my hearing in Seattle. A court of law found me NOT GUILTY of 2nd Degree Negligent Driving.
I surley hope that you are doing something about the news reports if indeed they were misreported. |
Re: NOT GUILTY
Originally Posted by BiggsAtlas
For anyone who is still interested in this topic, I just got back from my hearing in Seattle. A court of law found me NOT GUILTY of 2nd Degree Negligent Driving. I know some of you will surely be pissed because I "must have worked the system" but that is certainly not the case. This was not a jury trial, with everyday people who might acquit me because they sympathize with me. It was a hearing, with a codgy, grumpy judge who didnt like me from the start. I had no fancy lawyer. Instead I simply represented myself. After hearing all the FACTS and EVIDENCE (not what he heard on the news), and testimony from the officer he determined that I was not at faultand NOT GUILTY. He was able to look past my prior record and recognize the fact that because Ive had tickets in the past (none of which being commercial) that I wasnt automatically guilty of this charge. To all those who gave me the benefitof the doubt, again I thank you. To everyone else, maybe this will change your mind. If not, oh well, I'm over it.
Don’t let it bother you, most of the posters here are really back seat drivers anyway….lol They are quick to point the finger so they can say “ I would never do this, so I must be better than him” To give them the GOD status they want so much…lol They are easy to spot on this forum!!! |
I'm not wanting to be a jerk here, BiggA. But in all honesty and truthfullness, BiggAtlas, I have serious doubts about your truthfulness.
Why?? Because of the ""I represented myself" bit, and the attitude that you bring here. Since you've discussed this much, would you mind providing a Case# or Cause#, so that your claims can be verified?? (Those ARE matters of public record, so I'm not asking you to disclose personal information. ...be very interested in what his reply is, or if he will reply!! |
Originally Posted by Useless
I'm not wanting to be a jerk here, BiggA. But in all honesty and truthfullness, BiggAtlas, I have serious doubts about your truthfulness.
Why?? Because of the ""I represented myself" bit, and the attitude that you bring here. Since you've discussed this much, would you mind providing a Case# or Cause#, so that your claims can be verified?? (Those ARE matters of public record, so I'm not asking you to disclose personal information. ...be very interested in what his reply is, or if he will reply!! I just don’t believe the bad in someone until it proved beyond the shadow of a doubt! On this forum it seems that a person is guilty until proven innocent. No one would stand for this when it comes to their rights in a court of law, but the hypocrites come out of the woodwork whenever they want! We never get the truth here Useless, and we really never know for sure what’s BS and what’s not, so how can we really make an opinion on the matter written in this forum? There have been some good sob stories here, and some have been taken in, but YOU still never know for SURE! Oh, I dont use gieco....lol |
SSoutlaw;
You are correct, we often do not get the truth here. That's why I asked for a Case# / Cause#. And, I am wanting to be honest, without being an assh*le. I'm not meaning to be spiteful or vindictive here. It's just that I know several judges, and none of them would put up with the attitude coming from Biggs. Now, granted, the judges that I know are not up in those stomping grounds. They practice here in Texas, tenn. or North Carolina, so there could well be a vast difference in judicial temperament. And, again, without wanting to be spiteful, but needing to be honest, his comments upon how he represented himself ring hollow. Any man who represents himself in a courtroom is a fool. With VERY few exceptions, they testify themselves into a conviction. Now, the courts here in Texas WILL allow a person to represent himself in a criminal proceeding, but they will not do it readily or easily. That is the way it should be. Sorry, but this rings too loudly of a truckstop coffee counter "Driver's Story"!! NOW, IF I AM WRONG, THEN I WILL COME BACK, ISSUE A RETRACTION, AND OFFER A FULL APOLOGY!! What do you say, Biggs?? Do we have a DEAL?? |
I dont have a problem with anyone looking into my case. I dont have the case/cause number off-hand but I can get it and post it on here in the next few days. I represented myself not because I have an attitude, but because it made no sense to hire one. This was a civil matter, not criminal, so jail is not an option. The ticket was only $580 dollars and (I was surpised to hear from my ins. agent) would have only a minor impact on my insurance rate. A lawyer would have been at least $1,500. It would cost more to win with a lawyer than lose without one. Besides, the way I figured it, if I couldnt convince a judge I was innocent without a fancy lawyer then I was probably more guilty than I thought. For all those who believe that I never accept responsibility for my actions, know this: The judge offered everyone in the courtroom the option of taking a deferred finding which means that if you do not commit the same infraction for 1 year the whole thing goes away. I turned this down.
As far as the case number, the only thing I got at the hearing was another copy of the slip asking me to appear and I dont believe it had a case number but Im certain it has a citation number and most likely that will work. If not, let me know and I will do some digging. My nephew is being born as we speak so dont plan on it till the weekend but I will get it out there. |
In response to Useless' statements about the "hollowness" of my statements regarding defending myself and how judges dont easily let someone represent themselves, I feel the need to clarify something. This whole matter has been blown up far larger than it is on here over the last few months. As I said before, this matter was civil and not criminal. This wasnt a Law & Orderesque trial with jurors and packed courtrooms. It was a slot of time set aside for contested hearings in TRAFFIC COURT. Most people who get tickets and either contest or mitigate it dont bring lawyers unless they have a lot to lose. I know we have all been talking about this for months but when you get get down to the core of it, this is a traffic ticket. I may be partially to blame for the misconception due to my use of the phrases "NOT GUILTY" and "acquitted". Instead I should say I was found to have "NOT COMMITTED" the infraction and sent packing. Apologies for the miscommunication.
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Originally Posted by BiggsAtlas
In response to Useless' statements about the "hollowness" of my statements regarding defending myself and how judges dont easily let someone represent themselves, I feel the need to clarify something. This whole matter has been blown up far larger than it is on here over the last few months. As I said before, this matter was civil and not criminal. This wasnt a Law & Orderesque trial with jurors and packed courtrooms. It was a slot of time set aside for contested hearings in TRAFFIC COURT. Most people who get tickets and either contest or mitigate it dont bring lawyers unless they have a lot to lose. I know we have all been talking about this for months but when you get get down to the core of it, this is a traffic ticket. I may be partially to blame for the misconception due to my use of the phrases "NOT GUILTY" and "acquitted". Instead I should say I was found to have "NOT COMMITTED" the infraction and sent packing. Apologies for the miscommunication.
I promised you that I would come back here, offer a complete retraction of my statements, and offer my aplogies if I was shown to be wrong.. I believe that you have shown me, as well as others here, that I was wrong, and yes, I am a man of my word. On another thread, I discussed the importance of forgiveness, the need to forgive, and the need to be able to accept forgiveness. I am working to really understand those dimenssions more clearly, and to embrace those beliefs more fully. As I stated before, The tradgedy of what happened at Virginia Tech was an eppiphany for me, but I kow that although the awkwning was quite discernable, enacting the values that I discovered does not happen all at once. Now, while it is important to better understand and embrace the dimmensions of forgiveness, there is another parameter that is closely related to those dynamics; that is, the dimmensions of true confession. Again, this is another area in which I find myself woefully lacking, and, it is also something that I am deplorably late in realizing. My understanding was that this case involved criminal implications, which are COMPLETELY different from civil proceedings, including cases which are handled through a traffic court; that would easily explain your decission to represent yourself. Now, I will freely and willingly confess that I was wrong, not only in my unqualified perceptions involving the nature of your case, but also in my premature, unfounded, and erroneous rush to judge you. I do wish to offer my most humble and sincere apologies to you, BiggA. From a personal vantage point, these situations illuminate personal failings on my part; this is something that I am trying to address and rectify, but it is a work in progress. The tradgedy that was suffered by so many at Virginia Tech just two days ago (as of this posting) really grabbed me by the "yin-yang", and have caused me to examine my onwn life from a much more "frank and candid" perspective. Unfortunately, in that respect, I am in the all too tardy and early stages of development. I do ask forgiveness for the errors in my ways. I am truly sorry, Shawn! The quality of your reply to my posting illuminated a side of you that I had not previously recognized. You showed yourself to be a person with true dignity. Yoy conducted yourself with grace in dealing with someone who was very ungracious to you. You showed yourself to be a person of true class. I applaud you for that. In any event, I do wish you well, and I hope that you will keep it safe out there. Friends?? Peace, Bill |
I've just got done reading through this subject and at first I thought holly Shit ect. I'm usually objective. I rarely believe every thing that a news reporter reports,Canadian or U.S. , If they reported all the true facts and done all there investigating ,They would either have nothing to report or It would be so boring it wouldn't be worth watch thus no ratings then no news , then we wouldn't know what was going on in this small world. You have to be objective until you know all the facts , remember , it's more than just the evening news ,it's competing with other shows and stations .
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Although I posted early on in this thread, I haven't been following it. Like Murray, I just read the whole thing today.
I must admit I was SHOCKED when I saw the driver (Shawn) come on here to defend himself. And like Useless finally admitted, I found his posts to be well worded and "mostly" dignified. I will say that, I have often noticed a "rush to judgement" mentality on this board, but I understand it... to a degree. But, I hope we all remember that we are all (or mostly) truckers, and we wouldn't want to suffer the slings and arrows that were thrown at Shawn, whether we deserved them or not. Useless, that must have been one Heckuva(n) epiphany you had! But, I think you needed it. I've always liked your more humorous posts, but lately you've been "on the rag" a bit. I don't know what was eating at you, but I hope it has eased up a bit. (I read your other posts on that.) Shawn, I hope you are telling the truth, and that you did all you could, and more importantly that you ALWAYS drive in a responsible and careful manner. Surely, after this, you realize how easily one can be caught up in an accident that MIGHT have killed someone.... in which case, your plight might have been worse. It's been said quite often recently, but we must ALL be circumspect of media hype. They are mostly, as I've mentioned, "average" people, who don't usually recognize the impact of their words. As others have said, there is always more than ONE side to every story. Right or wrong, true or false, I'm glad we heard both sides to THIS one. Yall be SAFE out there! We indeed are all part of a very SERIOUS business! Hobo |
here's my take on this. I'd of hung you; with my own hands.
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Originally Posted by Goin Fer It
golfhobo
Guess Homer must have seen more on the news about it. I am surprised he did not call for someone else to come in and slow the traffic down. Even more surprised that traffic was slowed down at the very presence of the Highway Patrol being there. Goin Fer It's Wife I once came upon a situation, 4 lane road in my direction - curve up ahead. Blue lights LOOKED like they were side by side on the right, so I went left. In the curve I realized that one of the Troopers was on the LEFT lane! (and one on the right.) Had to squeeze between them! Was extremely confusing and dangerous! We are taught that if we break down over a hill or around a curve, we MUST put our last triangle where it will warn those approaching from a position "out of sight." I see hundreds of examples of a single vehicle pulled over with as many as 4 troopers parked RIGHT BEHIND THEM. In a situation like the accident described in this thread... there should have been a trooper parked WAY BACK (around the curve) to warn drivers to slow down. And I STILL don't understand how a radar gun, in an unmanned patrol car, could have singled out THIS driver from all others, who were REPORTEDLY doing 70 mph! :shock: No offense intended, but if YOU were a driver, you might have been somewhat circumspect about the report you read, and posted here in the first place. Not trying to blame you, but.... |
Gotta agree with Golf on this one.
Yes this driver was a bad driver, his record spells that out.(maybe why it was so easy for the police to blame him, and make it stick). But,........ A good number of police are not qualified to wear a badge, let alone enforce laws.They write citations that they are ignorant about. Law enforcement should have go waaaay out of their way to secure this accident scene, and make sure that it didn't get worse,...they didn't appear to do this,...therefore they are to blame, more than the hooligan truck driver (at least this time!!) |
I'm confused about "I'd have hung him with my own hands" comment- who?what?why?where?
And doghouse, this driver isn't that bad of a driver, as you point to his record. Being an idiot and putting neons on your car to be fast and furious doesn't qualify as bad driving. As he stated, he has 700,000 miles in a CMV with a clean record up until this point. All of you judging him need to look in the mirror- mostly the ones without CDL's, ones that never ran the northwest, and those with >1year exp. Nuff said :) Leave it to useless to sniff out anny BS. :lol: Hes one of the few people that drill posters until they give ALL the facts, and he doesn't rest till he gets them :) |
I am also guilty of not reading this whole thread, but after reading it,...I also agree that this driver was not a bad driver.
The point being however,....it was far too easy to point the finger at him (by the police) it seemed to me that he made a great diversion due to his history. The fact that he was able to defend himself with the facts, (and not have it reduced by a lawyer), and win the case is a testament to the LEO's poor ability to take responsibility for their ,....repeat,.. their fault in this accident. I understand that being judged on your past is not fair, (some of the time) because some of us do learn from our mistakes. Now,....driver,..its up to you to keep your nose clean, or this is bound to happen again. I think Useless did a great job getting the facts out, but it only proved that Shawn was actually innocent, and I still believe the LEO's were taking advantage of his less than perfect record. |
I agree, bad driving skills, a spokane driver should know about that mountain, thats one bad twisty hill and this year I had to chain up twice on it... I been over that hill and know when its slick it don't matter on speed and you will slip off the hill going slow, I am shocked the chain law was not in effect . There is always 200 wrecks or more every year on that stretch of road, so if you are like me and love the northwest mountains please take your time and enjoy your trip...
oh another thing was his age of 27, I personally think CDL should start at 34 years old before you can get one, 27 with 18 tickets, bet he smokes crack too... but raise the age and get more mature people to drive.. 27 is still the wreckless years to me, not stable at all at that age... 34 you got a grip on responsability and respect, 27 is still a punk in my book... |
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