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pennyboy43a 12-12-2006 06:26 AM

Trainer Left Trainee at a truck stop?
 
I was at a truck stop and there was a guy with his bag with him... It looked like he had the worried and some tears in his eyes. I asked if he was ok... He said he was left there by his trainer. So I helped him get a cab to take him to the bus station.... Has anyone ever heard of such a thing??? Is this why everyone is worried about going with a trainer.. I am not going to disclose the company this happend with... I just wanted to through it out there. Make sure you bring money to get home!!!

arg1970 12-12-2006 06:34 AM

Roger that

classicxl 12-12-2006 06:36 AM

i am sure there is more to the story but just putting someone out of the truck away from a company terminal just aint right

larryh31 12-12-2006 06:53 AM

A trainer putting a student out at a truck-stop is plain wrong. If you and your student can't get along, you should contact the company and make proper arrangements.

To all of the new students out there, you should always carry some extra $$ with you when going through orientation and training, because you never know what might happen.

classicxl 12-12-2006 06:55 AM

amen to that. i guess i got lucky when i started i had two great trainers

ken_o 12-12-2006 06:56 AM

what carrier was this?

glasman2 12-12-2006 07:05 AM

Re: Trainer Left Trainee at a truck stop?
 

Originally Posted by pennyboy43a
. I am not going to disclose the company this happend with... I just wanted to through it out there. Make sure you bring money to get home!!!

You should disclose what company it was so noobs will know to stay away.
Doesn't matter if they got along or not, it shouldn't have happened.

ken_o 12-12-2006 07:12 AM

its only ok if arrangements were made prior to being left at a sht hole truckstop to get to a terminal or a bus home.
and yes penny it happens every day.
just imagine the ones you never hear about.
And that fellow has abandoned the truck or at least thats what the trainer will say. I see dac problems in his future.

kc0iv 12-12-2006 07:37 AM

Re: Trainer Left Trainee at a truck stop?
 

Originally Posted by pennyboy43a
I was at a truck stop and there was a guy with his bag with him... It looked like he had the worried and some tears in his eyes. I asked if he was ok... He said he was left there by his trainer. So I helped him get a cab to take him to the bus station.... Has anyone ever heard of such a thing??? Is this why everyone is worried about going with a trainer.. I am not going to disclose the company this happend with... I just wanted to through it out there. Make sure you bring money to get home!!!

One of several things happened.

1) It didn't really happen. The guy got out of the truck and wanted to go home. And need some money to get home. Or make some cash for something else.

2) It was a scam from the get go. No trainer/ no student just a way to get some cash.

3) Didn't the student didn't know enough to call the company and findout what the company wanted him to do. No company is going to allow a trainer to dump a student without making some kind of arangements. Can we all say Hello Lawsuit.

4) This is another one of these legions.

5) Why would you NOT give the company's name? If you are really concerned about your fellow drivers a company such as this should be told by you.

I do agree -- Have money or at least a credit card.

kc0iv

Sealord 12-12-2006 07:44 AM

pennyboy43a
 
You really need to state the company. You're doing no one any favors by not disclosing the company. BOL

ken_o 12-12-2006 07:49 AM

yeah kcoiv, its not readily appearent to new drivers entering the occupation that when and if a hypothetical situation like this happens. you run the likelyhood of getting an abandonment on your dac/usis file,
then ur realy s.o.l.

Fozzy 12-12-2006 08:52 AM

A sucker is born every minute.. and if ANYONE is buying this story, they'll buy the "My Car is out of gas and my mother is sick/dead and I lost my wallet with all my credit cards". I have been hot up with this dumb story MANY times! This guy may have GOTTEN off the truck, but I'd be willing to bet that he was not THROWN off the truck. This is political suicide for the trainer and for the company.

USXRecruiter4080 12-12-2006 08:59 AM

I gaurentee you there was more to it than that, but thats beside the fact the trainer was unprofessional about it. If it was our trainer he would get canned with a quickness.

Karnajj 12-12-2006 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by ken_o
yeah kcoiv, its not readily appearent to new drivers entering the occupation that when and if a hypothetical situation like this happens. you run the likelyhood of getting an abandonment on your dac/usis file,
then ur realy s.o.l.

There is no way in hell somebody is going to get stuck with a abandonment if they got kicked off the truck by their trainer. It wouldn't happen if they up and quit voluntarily. The trainee is not the one responsible for the welfare of the truck. What s stupid and completely irresponsible statement to make. But looking at the source I can't say I'm surprised.

pennyboy43a 12-12-2006 09:44 AM

Well all I did was set the cab up no money was given to him.... He told me that he was having some problums backing and the trainer did not think he would make it as a truck and he said he called in and they told him we would have to find his own way home or get to a bus station..... I guess it was a small company 300 trucks I told him I would of waited to call in and told them at the terminal about what happend.......

yoopr 12-12-2006 10:13 AM

Re: Trainer Left Trainee at a truck stop?
 

Originally Posted by pennyboy43a
I was at a truck stop and there was a guy with his bag with him... It looked like he had the worried and some tears in his eyes. I asked if he was ok... He said he was left there by his trainer. So I helped him get a cab to take him to the bus station.... Has anyone ever heard of such a thing??? Is this why everyone is worried about going with a trainer.. I am not going to disclose the company this happend with... I just wanted to through it out there. Make sure you bring money to get home!!!

If this is what actually happened it's outrageous-dispicable-and uncalled for. Hope the guy seeks a resolution to this.

classicxl 12-12-2006 10:14 AM

yea would like to know the whole story

EasyRolln 12-12-2006 10:17 AM

I may be new to being a truck driver, but there's no way that I would let someone leave me. Whether it was his truck or not, I would've refused to get off of the truck regardless of what his opinion is. He got me there, and he would've gotten me back home or to a company terminal!

ken_o 12-12-2006 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by Karnajj

There is no way in hell somebody is going to get stuck with a abandonment if they got kicked off the truck by their trainer. It wouldn't happen if they up and quit voluntarily. The trainee is not the one responsible for the welfare of the truck. What s stupid and completely irresponsible statement to make. But looking at the source I can't say I'm surprised.

read slowly so you understand.
The student/ is assigned to the truck he is a licensed driver, the student abandons the truck, ie quits in training. This is legally reportable and done all the time why dont you just read the company policy sheet he or she signed.
another example for your weak mind the trainee decides to ram another vehicle according to your logic its not his fault and shouldnt get the accident on his dac. The rules apply to all drivers whether their new or not.The only place to leave a truck is a terminal or with written authorization from such term.

Trapper 12-12-2006 10:22 AM

What company and how do you know the whole story? You only heard one side. The trainee may have decided he wanted to go home. It's bad press for a company to do that so it makes me question if it actually happened.

EasyRolln 12-12-2006 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by Trapper
What company and how do you know the whole story? You only heard one side. The trainee may have decided he wanted to go home. It's bad press for a company to do that so it makes me question if it actually happened.

Good point, but I think that everyone is taking the newbie's side of the story since he had puppydog eyes and a crocodile tear or two. I think he would've had more of a cocky attitude had he made the decision to get off of the truck. Then again, maybe he thought that he was going to get a free ride home. We'll never know.

GMAN 12-12-2006 10:47 AM

This story may be true, but something doesn't quite sound right. Over the years, I have helped a number of people at truck stops. I am sure that some were just running a scam. Sometimes it is difficult to tell if they are telling the truth or not. If you find that someone you helped was not being truthful then you will be reluctant to help the next person, and they might really be in need. :sad:

ken_o 12-12-2006 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by GMAN
This story may be true, but something doesn't quite sound right. Over the years, I have helped a number of people at truck stops. I am sure that some were just running a scam. Sometimes it is difficult to tell if they are telling the truth or not. If you find that someone you helped was not being truthful then you will be reluctant to help the next person, and they might really be in need. :sad:

gman did you tell the ones that asked for rides
"ass or gas no one rides free"
its funny try it some time.

tootie04 12-12-2006 11:19 AM

My DH is a trainer and he left his trainee at a truck stop this morning...It was also the bus stop.

There is more to the story than meets the eye, I am sure.

My DH's trainee has a few screws loose. He threated to call the police on him cause it was cold in the truck last night (it was 42 degrees out) He said it was "inhumane" treatment of a trainee.

He was going to call the police because he stopped at Denny's this morning for breakfast instead of McDonalds....this was again "inhumane" treatment.

This guy lasted two weeks with Conventant and his trainer put him out of the truck and he was sent home. Then he comes to DH company and gets in his truck. This guy is a real wacko....I am sure MOST triainers do NOT put their students out without just cause.

tootie

geeshock 12-12-2006 11:31 AM

doesn't matter what the deal is, a trainner shouldn't abandon someone short of thier life being in jeprody becuse of the student. I've heard of a mentor leaving a student at a hotel but it was right next to the terminal.

tootie04 12-12-2006 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by geeshock
doesn't matter what the deal is, a trainner shouldn't abandon someone short of thier life being in jeprody becuse of the student. I've heard of a mentor leaving a student at a hotel but it was right next to the terminal.


I do agree. No one should put you out of a truck unless prior arrangements are made. In DH's case the bus ticket was bought for the trainee pryor to letting him out of the truck. Also DH offered the trianee 30.00 for food to get him back to the terminal.

Tootie

ken_o 12-12-2006 12:05 PM

tootie is their something wrong with a human being wanting to sleep in a warm truck. and not a camping enviroment .
me personelly i love it when its cold but cant stand the heat. just me some people r exact opposite.
someone going to call the police cauz they stopped at dennys instead of mcd sounds a little far fetched even to me.

tootie04 12-12-2006 12:20 PM

Yes I agree, you have a right to sleep in a warm truck BUT If you were warned BEFORE getting into the truck that the truck is NOT idled at night and you still agree and get into that truck then you have no business whining.

It is true that this guy threated to call the police over the Dennys vs Mcdonalds issue, I told ya he has a few screws loose.


Tootie

ken_o 12-12-2006 12:24 PM

come on whats he suppose to do sit in the terminal and not make any money, waiting for another trainer for god knows how long.
this is intimadation any good trainer would go the extramile with in reason for their student since most carriers offeer bonuses for completion and safe driving after the training is over.

Karnajj 12-12-2006 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by ken_o

Originally Posted by Karnajj

There is no way in hell somebody is going to get stuck with a abandonment if they got kicked off the truck by their trainer. It wouldn't happen if they up and quit voluntarily. The trainee is not the one responsible for the welfare of the truck. What s stupid and completely irresponsible statement to make. But looking at the source I can't say I'm surprised.

read slowly so you understand.
The student/ is assigned to the truck he is a licensed driver, the student abandons the truck, ie quits in training. This is legally reportable and done all the time why don't you just read the company policy sheet he or she signed.
another example for your weak mind the trainee decides to ram another vehicle according to your logic its not his fault and shouldnt get the accident on his dac. The rules apply to all drivers whether their new or not.The only place to leave a truck is a terminal or with written authorization from such term.

I'm not the one who has the problem understanding, moron. A vehicle abandonment means you leave the vehicle which is under YOUR charge (not someone elses) in a manner that causes the company who owns the truck to have to recover the truck because it was not left in an approved location. This is not the case here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And if you can't understand the difference between getting into an accident and walking away from a truck that still has a trainer in it there is no point trying to explain it to you.

ken_o 12-12-2006 01:10 PM

a vehicle abandonment means you have abandoned the vehicle for which you were assigned.
and whats this moron stuff childish ,, very childish

tootie04 12-12-2006 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by ken_o
come on whats he suppose to do sit in the terminal and not make any money, waiting for another trainer for god knows how long.
this is intimadation any good trainer would go the extramile with in reason for their student since most carriers offeer bonuses for completion and safe driving after the training is over.

Actually there were 10 trainers available last week. This guy requested a non-smoker and it turns out he was a heavy smoker....go figure.

This company pays NO completion bonus and NO safe driving bonus. $70.00 a week for the training pay.

tootie

motman68 12-12-2006 02:35 PM

I was recently working for a certain reputable trucking company and it was my 2nd week of trianing when i got hurt .My trainer never asked how i was because he called my training coordinator to tell him that i'm too old in his opinion then proceeded to tell me that i should find a new profession so when i was put on the phone and questioned on how i hurt my back i quit.We just finished unloading so we sat for 4 hours till they could get us routed back to the terminal.well they called us up the next day and told my trainer to dump me off at a truck stop in Kansas so his new trainee could get in the truck there.I spent the day trying to find out how i was going to get home since they said there was no reason for me to go back to the terminal .Well luckily for me i found a flight leaving out of Denver International Airport i asked my trainer if he could drop me off at the airport when he passed it but he told me no because it was 15 miles out of route he dropped me at the Pilot in Denver telling me to take a cab it cost me $55 to take the cab to the airport.It cost me over $250 total to get home

terrylamar 12-12-2006 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by motman68
I was recently working for a certain reputable trucking company and it was my 2nd week of trianing when i got hurt .My trainer never asked how i was because he called my training coordinator to tell him that i'm too old in his opinion then proceeded to tell me that i should find a new profession so when i was put on the phone and questioned on how i hurt my back i quit.We just finished unloading so we sat for 4 hours till they could get us routed back to the terminal.well they called us up the next day and told my trainer to dump me off at a truck stop in Kansas so his new trainee could get in the truck there.I spent the day trying to find out how i was going to get home since they said there was no reason for me to go back to the terminal .Well luckily for me i found a flight leaving out of Denver International Airport i asked my trainer if he could drop me off at the airport when he passed it but he told me no because it was 15 miles out of route he dropped me at the Pilot in Denver telling me to take a cab it cost me $55 to take the cab to the airport.It cost me over $250 total to get home


Spranglin'_Spider 12-12-2006 09:58 PM

A very similar thing happened to me during training.

Newbie trainer with a whole 6 months experience under his belt. Mentions that he has to leave for his National Guard training. Doesn't say when or where and that's the last I hear of it until...

We're in southern Texas at the end of July. I wake up literally on the side of the road (off ramp exit) to an empty truck. It's 9am and already 110 degrees in the truck. The truck keys are gone and so is my so-called "trainer".

I gathered up my belongings and walked to the end of the ramp. No truck stop, no motel... nothing in sight. I flipped a coin to decide which way to go. Turned right and started walking. After about one mile I did find a motel. (Luckily I had a little extra cash with me!)

Called the company and explained the situation. Thankfully they were very helpful and placed me with a new trainer the next day.

kc0iv 12-12-2006 11:46 PM


Originally Posted by motman68
I was recently working for a certain reputable trucking company and it was my 2nd week of trianing when i got hurt .My trainer never asked how i was because he called my training coordinator to tell him that i'm too old in his opinion then proceeded to tell me that i should find a new profession so when i was put on the phone and questioned on how i hurt my back i quit.We just finished unloading so we sat for 4 hours till they could get us routed back to the terminal.well they called us up the next day and told my trainer to dump me off at a truck stop in Kansas so his new trainee could get in the truck there.I spent the day trying to find out how i was going to get home since they said there was no reason for me to go back to the terminal .Well luckily for me i found a flight leaving out of Denver International Airport i asked my trainer if he could drop me off at the airport when he passed it but he told me no because it was 15 miles out of route he dropped me at the Pilot in Denver telling me to take a cab it cost me $55 to take the cab to the airport.It cost me over $250 total to get home

First thing You Quit. You elected to terminate the training. Had the trainer followed the company's instructions, as he should have, you would have been left in Kansas. I'd say the trainer went out of his way to assist you. And I might add broke company rules, not to mention DOT rules, by allowing you to remain in the truck.

Second point. Knowing the Denver airport getting you near the terminal would have been near impossible.

I'd say you got off cheap.

kc0iv

motman68 12-13-2006 12:30 AM

1st of all i quit because i came into this to learn something not to learn how to cheat on my logs this guy during the first week drove under my log book because he was out of time .I think that wether i was a trainee or not that its his job to train me to be safe not to log illegally i was told be him that while he was driving under my log book that if he was to have an accident that i would have to say i was driving.2nd i dont think that anyone should be left more then 1500 miles from home no matter what happened like someone said in an earlier post i'm not saying who this company is because i dont want to scare any of the newbies off .3rd i hurt my back to the point that either sitting ,standing or walking was uncomfartable i couldnt even stand up straight i was never asked by my trainer if i was ok .4th i'm not a scumbag if i wanted to do something about this whole situation i bet i'm sure the higher ups in this company would like to know how this guy runs for more then HOS rules say you can run let me just say that he drove for more then 20 straight hours with taking a break.I'm not gonna turn this guy in eventually his ways of running are going to catch up to him .I'm moving on to better things right now i'll be making the same amount of money i would have made running long haul doing the local thing

dpatt 12-13-2006 12:48 AM


Originally Posted by motman68
1st of all i quit because i came into this to learn something not to learn how to cheat on my logs this guy during the first week drove under my log book because he was out of time .I think that wether i was a trainee or not that its his job to train me to be safe not to log illegally i was told be him that while he was driving under my log book that if he was to have an accident that i would have to say i was driving.2nd i dont think that anyone should be left more then 1500 miles from home no matter what happened like someone said in an earlier post i'm not saying who this company is because i dont want to scare any of the newbies off .3rd i hurt my back to the point that either sitting ,standing or walking was uncomfartable i couldnt even stand up straight i was never asked by my trainer if i was ok .4th i'm not a scumbag if i wanted to do something about this whole situation i bet i'm sure the higher ups in this company would like to know how this guy runs for more then HOS rules say you can run let me just say that he drove for more then 20 straight hours with taking a break.I'm not gonna turn this guy in eventually his ways of running are going to catch up to him .I'm moving on to better things right now i'll be making the same amount of money i would have made running long haul doing the local thing

How could he run a week under your logbook?

YOU are responsible for YOUR LOGBOOK...I don't care if the owner of the company told you to log it as driving when somebody else was.

kc0iv 12-13-2006 01:24 AM


Originally Posted by Karnajj

Originally Posted by ken_o

Originally Posted by Karnajj

There is no way in hell somebody is going to get stuck with a abandonment if they got kicked off the truck by their trainer. It wouldn't happen if they up and quit voluntarily. The trainee is not the one responsible for the welfare of the truck. What s stupid and completely irresponsible statement to make. But looking at the source I can't say I'm surprised.

read slowly so you understand.
The student/ is assigned to the truck he is a licensed driver, the student abandons the truck, ie quits in training. This is legally reportable and done all the time why don't you just read the company policy sheet he or she signed.
another example for your weak mind the trainee decides to ram another vehicle according to your logic its not his fault and shouldnt get the accident on his dac. The rules apply to all drivers whether their new or not.The only place to leave a truck is a terminal or with written authorization from such term.

I'm not the one who has the problem understanding, moron. A vehicle abandonment means you leave the vehicle which is under YOUR charge (not someone elses) in a manner that causes the company who owns the truck to have to recover the truck because it was not left in an approved location. This is not the case here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And if you can't understand the difference between getting into an accident and walking away from a truck that still has a trainer in it there is no point trying to explain it to you.

I shouldn't get in the middle of this but I will anyway.

If a student who is assigned to a truck leave the truck while in training it is abandonment as far as the student is concerned. As such it would be fair and proper to report such action to future employers as abandonment while in training.

However, the student is NOT the assigned driver. That honor is the trainer's and the trainer only. The trainer is the responsible party. The only exception to this would be in the case of a team operation. In that case both drivers are responsible. Which is not the case here.

In the discussion as such if a trainer dumps a student it would not be an abandonment and should not reported as such. This is one of many problems DAC has with their reporting system. The same can be said with many companies.

If it is determined the student no longer meets the requirement(s) for training the reason for a student failed to complete his/her training should be included in any discussion. But it is not abandonment.

ken_o really your example is apples and oranges. It doesn't apply in this discussion.

kc0iv

kc0iv 12-13-2006 03:05 AM


Originally Posted by motman68
1st of all i quit because i came into this to learn something not to learn how to cheat on my logs this guy during the first week drove under my log book because he was out of time .I think that wether i was a trainee or not that its his job to train me to be safe not to log illegally i was told be him that while he was driving under my log book that if he was to have an accident that i would have to say i was driving.2nd i dont think that anyone should be left more then 1500 miles from home no matter what happened like someone said in an earlier post i'm not saying who this company is because i dont want to scare any of the newbies off .3rd i hurt my back to the point that either sitting ,standing or walking was uncomfartable i couldnt even stand up straight i was never asked by my trainer if i was ok .4th i'm not a scumbag if i wanted to do something about this whole situation i bet i'm sure the higher ups in this company would like to know how this guy runs for more then HOS rules say you can run let me just say that he drove for more then 20 straight hours with taking a break.I'm not gonna turn this guy in eventually his ways of running are going to catch up to him .I'm moving on to better things right now i'll be making the same amount of money i would have made running long haul doing the local thing

Lets break this down not so much for you as for information for others.

1) You said:

...because i came into this to learn something not to learn how to cheat on my logs this guy during the first week drove under my log book because he was out of time.
The first rule -- Never allow someone else to use your logbook. No exceptions. If he complains call your safety director or training department and advise them. Tell them you will not allow such a thing to occur.

2) You said:

i dont think that anyone should be left more then 1500 miles from home no matter what happened...
You were the one that decide to end your training early. You knew where you were and where you were heading. You had a choice. Advise the training department your intent of resigning and allow them to make arrangements on your behalf.

You however elected to quit and with that choice you took it upon yourself to do it your way. Maybe not knowing what the out come would be. That is why you should have discuss this with the training department.

You said:

i hurt my back to the point that either sitting ,standing or walking was uncomfartable i couldnt even stand up straight i was never asked by my trainer if i was ok
If you were injured then you should have contacted the company and told them of your injury. They would have decided how they wanted it handled. As soon as you became aware of your injury you should have told the trainer. He is responsible for all aspects of your training. The question is -- Did you tell the trainer and the company?

You said:

i'm not a scumbag if i wanted to do something about this whole situation i bet i'm sure the higher ups in this company would like to know how this guy runs for more then HOS rules say you can run let me just say that he drove for more then 20 straight hours with taking a break.I'm not gonna turn this guy in eventually his ways of running are going to catch up to him
The company should be told of your concerns. It is a benefit to them to know what is happening in their training department. If their drivers are operating illegal they are responsible and legal actions can be taken. I don't see this as being a "scumbag." I see it as being a responsible driver.

Your election to not tell other drivers of your experience is your choice. I don't agree with your choice. It just might save someone else with a far dangerous outcome.

I'm happy for your end results. You found a company where it appears you are happy with and I wish you well.

kc0iv


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