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Adding new drivers to the already overfilled job pool
I've been having a discussion with the reporter of this article today. I'd like to see your opinions on it.
ksl.com - Utah trucking schools packed SALT LAKE CITY -- Many people who have lost their jobs are finding a new career in an industry still looking for workers: trucking. Some of the new truck drivers include former bankers, mortgage brokers and other business professionals. Roadmaster Driver's School in West Valley is one of many driving schools across Utah, and across the country, that is seeing a huge increase in the number of people who want to become truck drivers. Kim Sanchez, who lives in West Jordan, is one of them. "I lost my job back in March," Sanchez said. "It's terrible out there. I've applied for half the money I used to make and still couldn't get a job." So, Sanchez turned to big rigs. He's one of several students earning his commercial driver license (CDL) at Sage Technical Services trucker school in North Salt Lake. "I have to do something to feed my family," Sanchez said. Guy Horn, who is the school director at Sage, says most of the people who sign up for his classes now have the same story. "I've had pilots come through, guys with their MBAs; they're coming through and are ready for a change just because their current field is just not there anymore," Horn said. He says he has noticed a huge increase in students in just the past few months. "This year is definitely a double-digit increase from over last year," Horn said. That also means competition for the top trucking jobs is increasing. Ron Nichols, who runs Roadmaster Drivers School in West Valley, believes it's because more professionals with great resumes are turning to trucking. "A couple of years ago, some of the people were questionable. Now we're seeing a lot of very qualified people," Nichols said. "It's just because so many big companies are laying off their employees, and then they're having a tough time finding good paying work." Nichols says he opened another school in Brigham City recently to meet the demand for people wanting to earn their CDL. "We've been the busiest this past year than ever. It's about double than when I came here in 2004," he said. There is also a constant demand for truck drivers. "We all want to keep eating, keep wearing clothes, and we like shopping," Nichols said. "All that stuff comes to stores on trucks." Depending on the number of miles driven, truck drivers can earn $40,000 to $60,000 a year to start. E-mail: [email protected] |
and they will all be willing to work for peanuts. why give an experienced driver a pay raise when you can get somebody to work for next to nothing.
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Originally Posted by freebirdrfd
(Post 457753)
and they will all be willing to work for peanuts. why give an experienced driver a pay raise when you can get somebody to work for next to nothing.
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"I've had pilots come through, guys with their MBAs; they're coming through and are ready for a change just because their current field is just not there anymore," Horn said.
He says he has noticed a huge increase in students in just the past few months. "This year is definitely a double-digit increase from over last year," Horn said. That also means competition for the top trucking jobs is increasing. So do these guys that run the schools think these new drivers are going to step into the top positions just because they were pros at what they did? Hey Rev, let this reporter know that these guys will be LUCKY to start at about $30k a year IF they can even GET a job in a market thats flooded at this point. as Bugs Bunny would say "what a bunch of maroons" |
Originally Posted by Fredog
(Post 457761)
this seems to be true in every profession now a days
Welcome to the unregulated, free-market, non-union, global economy. |
So far, everyone has missed the point that not many of these displaced workers from other professions will actually be good truck drivers.
It amounts to quantity without quality. |
It will be interesting to see how many of these recent graduates will still be around once the economy picks up. On the other hand, I have met people from all walks of life who have made a move to this business. That has been over a number of years. It sounds to me as though these schools are raising people's expectations way too high.
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the driving school recruters would make good dispatchers. LIE,LIE,LIE !!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Kranky
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So far, everyone has missed the point that not many of these displaced workers from other professions will actually be good truck drivers.
It amounts to quantity without quality. |
Originally Posted by Kranky
(Post 457770)
So far, everyone has missed the point that not many of these displaced workers from other professions will actually be good truck drivers.
It amounts to quantity without quality. I saw something similar in real estate. A lot of agents snickered when the dot com bubble burst and a lot of those displaced workers went into real estate. It turned out that the former tech types could market themselves a lot better than many long established agents and were very willing to work harder at it as well. I know my boss is chuckling over the number of applications he has sitting on his desk, and some of our drivers are getting weeded out. I imagine the same thing is happening throughout the entire industry. I'm not sure I'm entirely opposed if it gets rid of some of the chronic snivelers. |
I just wonder if there will be a point where a good number of these beginners will begin to start quitting as soon as they see OTR life for what it is.
I sure enjoyed it, but will all these people used to being home every night and remaining in the same city get used to consistently moving all over the place? |
Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
(Post 457751)
I've been having a discussion with the reporter of this article today. I'd like to see your opinions on it.
ksl.com - Utah trucking schools packed And there HAVE been some really great replies to this topic! Just shows what an intelligent bunch we have on this forum. Of course.... that also just shows that there are already ALOT of intelligent people IN this industry! I'd say, based on some poor reporting / writing skills, that the reporter is about 26 years old, and has based his/her entire article on "google" research and a few phone calls. [No offense intended to SEVERAL posters here who might fit that description!] :rofl::rofl::rofl: I'm serious, guys.... those were some extremely insightful and salient points, and I would LOVE to just repeat them and say that I agree with, and had immediately considered them! ;) Forgive me is I sound like I'm copying any of them here: Quote: SALT LAKE CITY -- Many people who have lost their jobs are finding a new career in an industry still looking for workers: trucking. Some of the new truck drivers include former bankers, mortgage brokers and other business professionals. Can't really argue with this. Not sure how hard "the industry" is looking.... but, no doubt these types are working their way in. And I agree that it is a GOOD THING. SOME.... not all.... of the "long in the tooth" types need to retire (while Social Security is still around) and let the industry move towards the JIT/"electronic" monitoring of freight handling. This would provide a decent living for the "retired" as well as a NEW job for those who are looking. Roadmaster Driver's School in West Valley is one of many driving schools across Utah, and across the country, that is seeing a huge increase in the number of people who want to become truck drivers. Kim Sanchez, who lives in West Jordan, is one of them. "I lost my job back in March," Sanchez said. "It's terrible out there. I've applied for half the money I used to make and still couldn't get a job." The reality of the overpaid "yuppie" is becoming slightly clear to them. So, Sanchez turned to big rigs. He's one of several students earning his commercial driver license (CDL) at Sage Technical Services trucker school in North Salt Lake. Good thing this "star" reporter didn't stumble across one of the many PR agents for C. R. England! "I have to do something to feed my family," Sanchez said. Forgetting for the moment the implied condescension.... I give him about 6 months in the irregular route OTR industry before he changes his tune! Guy Horn, who is the school director at Sage, says most of the people who sign up for his classes now have the same story. BUT.... he signs them up (and takes their money) anyways.... knowing full well that they are not there because they WANT to be truckers! Talk about an economic STIMULUS! :lol2: "I've had pilots come through, guys with their MBAs; they're coming through and are ready for a change just because their current field is just not there anymore," Horn said. And will probably be GONE just as quickly when their "chosen field" with higher salaries calls them BACK! What "committment!" :eek2: He says he has noticed a huge increase in students in just the past few months. What an ASTUTE individual! I wonder if he ALSO caught that big "fincancial collapse thingie" that hit the economy? :hellno: "This year is definitely a double-digit increase from over last year," Horn said. The lowest "double digit" increase would be 10%. So.... IF you only had 10 new students for the last 10 years or so..... and THIS year you had ELEVEN..... you would have a double digit increase of ONE student. :D That also means competition for the top trucking jobs is increasing. No it doesn't! It means the orientation classes for the ENTRY level positions are getting crowded! Ron Nichols, who runs Roadmaster Drivers School in West Valley, believes it's because more professionals with great resumes are turning to trucking. "A couple of years ago, some of the people were questionable. Now we're seeing a lot of very qualified people," Nichols said. "It's just because so many big companies are laying off their employees, and then they're having a tough time finding good paying work." LOL ROFLMAO!!! Nichols says he opened another school in Brigham City recently to meet the demand for people wanting to earn their CDL. TEN BUCKS says he's a REPUBLICAN! That's right.... take their money and pump 'em out with NO REGARD for the "life you create!" :clap: "We've been the busiest this past year than ever. It's about double than when I came here in 2004," he said. There is also a constant demand for truck drivers. "We all want to keep eating, keep wearing clothes, and we like shopping," Nichols said. "All that stuff comes to stores on trucks." Depending on the number of miles driven, truck drivers can earn $40,000 to $60,000 a year to start. E-mail: [email protected] This guy should be selling junk investments right along with Madoff! |
Many people who have lost their jobs are finding a new career in an industry still looking for workers: trucking. Some of the new truck drivers include former bankers, mortgage brokers and other business professionals. "I've had pilots come through, guys with their MBAs; they're coming through and are ready for a change just because their current field is just not there anymore," Horn said. |
Tell Mr. Horn, that one of the questions of the applications needs to be "MEMBERSHIP IN P. A. T. T. or C. R. A. S. H.". I'd like to see a few of the "IDIOTS" get behind the wheel and learn the truth, that it doesn't match with their ideals.
And, I wonder how many of those idiots (students) were some of the same ones that used to say they didn't want to see trucks. "I don't pay good money to live here and look at a damned truck". Some of them NEED good dose of reality. There are already more than one thread on this forum by guys that have gone through school and are not able to find a job. My daughter went through nursing school, then found out that while there were all sorts of nursing jobs available, they all wanted at least one year of experience before they hired anyone. Many of the trucking companies are also calling for one year experience. Where does Mr. Horn think all those new recruits are going to get that? At the school? But, just like companies are stiffening up their positions of things like DUIs, they may start calling for more experience to get hired into this industry. We may start to see 2, 3, and 5 years experience to get a job. |
Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
(Post 457751)
I've been having a discussion with the reporter of this article today. I'd like to see your opinions on it.
"Depending on the number of miles driven, truck drivers can earn $40,000 to $60,000 a year to start." @ $0.25/mi new drivers would have to run 3076 mi/week (52 weeks a year) to make $40,000.00, and 4615 mi/week to make $60,000.00. Does that ever happen? New drivers never make the full rate the first few weeks they are out because they are usually with a trainer. |
Keep the responses coming. I'll post my email communication with him later today.
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Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
(Post 457833)
Keep the responses coming. I'll post my email communication with him later today.
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My first email to him:
Mr. Cabrero: In regards to your July 31, 2009 article, "Utah Trucking Schools Packed," perhaps rather than taking the "information" that a trucking school gave you and citing it as the truth, you could have done some more research into the trucking industryand the fact that trucking capacity is down, and will likely continue to be down for the forseeable future. Roadmaster's Driving School is telling you that these people going through their school are moving into the trucking industry; nothing could be further from the truth. Trucking capacity has been down for 3 years now, and trucking companies are closing down at alarming rates. Over 3000 trucking companies went out of business last year alone. In the first quarter of 2009, almost another 500 trucking companies folded. The jobs that these people are training for don't exist. Schools such as Roadmaster's Driving School are preying on misinformation, leading people to believe that the trucking industry is some sort of haven for unemployed people. Articles such as yours only further their ability to do so.. Tony |
His response:
Hi Tony, Thank you for your comments. However, you're taking my story out of context. My story WAS NOT about how trucking companies are doing. My story was about how TRUCKING SCHOOLS are doing. There is a difference. In your e-mail to me, you said I should've done more research into the trucking industry. If my story were about the TRUCKING INDUSTRY, I would've done that. Again, though, my story was about TRUCKING SCHOOLS. Trucking schools all across America are packed. I called about 20 of them nationwide (not just one, as you assume in your e-mail), as well as the group that monitors CDL licenses who says CDL license's are way up in the past 6 months. Roadmaster told me they only take drivers who ALREADY HAVE A JOB LINED UP. I spoke to some drivers in their class who back up that claim. They already had a job lined up. You also said in your e-mail that "articles such as yours (mine) only further their ability to do so" (meaning trucking as an unemployment haven). Again, I ask you to RE-READ the article. It has NOTHING to do with the trucking industry, and everything to do with TRUCKING SCHOOLS. I'm hoping you can differentiate the two. For example, if I do a story on higher education in Utah, and how school enrollment is up for all colleges for the Fall semester compared to last year, the story has NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW THE JOB MARKET IS! The story is about HOW ENROLLMENT IS UP AT COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES! I hope that makes it easier for you to understand. If you have any questions, please feel free to call me or write me back, but before you try to slam me, please understand the CONTEXT in which you are doing so. Sincerely, Alex Cabrero Reporter KSL News |
If his story was about truck driving schools why did he include misleading information concerning starting wages? Seems to me he should have left that info out if it was strictly concerning the schools. The article sounds like an advertisement for Roadmasters. I wonder if Roadmasters advertises on channel 5 or an affiliate?
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This was sent to me after he got wind that his report was being discussed on another site:
Tony (revvassago) A couple of friends I have in the trucking industry pointed me in the direction of the message board you are writing on. It seems like you have an ax to grind with me, but you won't respond to me. That's fine. I tried to join the trucking board you are posting on so I can give my side of the story, but it says an administrator has to clear me first. I'll wait for that. In the meantime, I'm hoping you'll post this message along with the others I sent you. Again, my original story is on TRUCKING SCHOOLS. If I am assigned to do a story on the TRUCKING INDUSTRY, I will mention how small mom and pop truck businesses are closing. I will also mention how trucking capacity has been slowed down by economic factors. Everything you wrote to me in your e-mail slamming me will be brought up if I am assigned to do a story on the TRUCKING INDUSTRY. You assume I don't know anything about trucking, so I'll assume you don't know anything about broadcast news and the limitations we have on time for stories. I'll explain. I was assigned a story on the increasing enrollment for trucking schools. I have 90 seconds to do that story on the news. If I was given 10 minutes (like in network television), I would've had more time to get into the facts you are talking about. However, in local news, we are given 1 minute, 30 seconds, for each of our stories. Since my assignment was on TRUCKING SCHOOL ENROLLMENT, I didn't have the time to get into the ENTIRE TRUCKING INDUSTRY. I hope you post this message so you and others can get a clearer picture of what my assignment was, and what the story was about. Also, if you know of any better resources I should use when I do a story on the ENTIRE TRUCKING INDUSTRY, please e-mail them to me so I can get in touch with them. My uncle drives for Swift, my brother in-law drives for Express Freight out of Chattanooga, TN, and I have a couple of friends who do local driving back home in NY. I was in touch with some of them about trucking schools, and they both told me they're hearing about a lot of people trying to get their CDL's because of the economy. The story I did is true. It might not be the story you wanted to hear, and it might not be a story you like, but that doesn't mean I didn't do any research on it or that I'm ignoring what you're saying. Again, if you want to see a story on the TRUCKING INDUSTRY, get in touch with me and tell me who who you think I should call instead of anonymously slamming me on some message board. Alex Cabrero Reporter KSL News |
And, my response:
Alex, My reason for not responding was not because I was ignoring you, but rather I was working. Having started my day just outside of New York city, I now find myself in southern North Carolina. Such are the limitations when it comes to driving a truck, and I apologize for giving you the impression that I was ignoring you. Furthermore, I have no axe to grind with you, but rather with some of the information that you presented in your report. You've stated several times that you were assigned with reporting on the increases in enrollment in trucking schools, but in your report, you gave some incorrect information about the trucking industry. In your report, you said, "Many people who have lost their jobs are finding a new career in an industry still looking for workers: trucking." This is completely untrue. Many veteran drivers are finding it nearly impossible to obtain employment, as well as new drivers who are going through these schools. As I stated in my initial email to you, over 3000 trucking companies went out of business last year alone. That's tens of thousands of drivers out of work, many of which are finding it impossible to find new jobs. In fact, there have been several reports recently that the supposed "driver shortage" that has plagued this industry no longer exists. Trucking capacity is at an all time high in relation to demand. There are too many trucks for the amount of available freight. For those going through school who are actually able to find a job, they will find that the demand for their services is limited. In your report, you state, "There is also a constant demand for truck drivers." Again, this is untrue. Turnover rates for the largest trucking companies in the country have dropped in half from just a year ago. Current drivers have wised up, and are not jumping from job to job the way they used to. The reason being, the ability to find another driving job easily is just no longer there. Trucking companies have scaled back their advertising to virtually nothing. Many who are still advertising and taking applications aren't currently hiring, but rather are "pooling" applications for the anticipated turnaround in 2010. The jobs these people are training for today won't even exist for another year, at best. Whoever told you that the drivers attending Roadmaster Driving School already have jobs lined up prior to attending was either misinformed or lying. There was a time when one could attend driving school, and secure a driving position upon completion, but those days are even gone. And lastly, you state, "Depending on the number of miles driven, truck drivers can earn $40,000 to $60,000 a year to start." Another untrue statement. A new driver can expect to earn between $25,000 and $35,000 per year starting out. A veteran driver may, after many years in the industry, earn approximately $50,000 per year, but even those jobs are rare. Statements such as these give those watching your report a false sense of the industry. If I were unemployed and watching this news report, I would walk away with the belief that jobs in trucking are plentiful and high paying, simply based upon your statements in the report. But the truth is far dimmer. Your report on trucking schools contained some very misleading information on the trucking industry. And that is what I am taking issue with. Tony |
Excellent job Rev!
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The statement about all of the students having jobs lined up is laughable.
What they might have is a conditional pre-hire with one of the mega-carriers. It will suck to be them when they get out of school and find out that their application and conditional pre-hire is on hold until the economy improves. I believe it was Evan Lockridge (sp?) on the Sirius trucking channel who reported that compared to last year at this time, 40% of the trucks in the country are no longer on the road. Not a good sign for anyone new trying to enter the industry. These schools and this reporter should be ashamed of themselves for giving people who are down on their luck such a false sense of hope. |
Here is MY reply to this "so called" journalist:
Mr. Cabrero: I am known as GolfHobo on the Class A Drivers forum. I assume you have the link to the thread under discussion. The Rev is my antithesis, but I try to give him credit when it is due (which is quite often!) You see... we ALREADY have some really smart people in this industry (and MANY on our forum.) You should consider yourself "honored" that he took the time to discuss your report with you...AND us! I "understand" your defense of your position. Just an "assignment" after all. But, I have to agree with what he said about your "research." Understanding that you ONLY had 90 seconds to make your point, you COULD have found time for a little "reality." I'm a Democrat, in FAVOR of the economic stimulus package, and WANTING to see evidence that the job market is improving. But, I am strongly opposed to blowing smoke up the skirts of Americans who are dealing with layoffs and career decisions. I HAVE to wonder WHERE your assignment came from, and what was THEIR motivation. I got MY CDL through the WIA program about 4 years ago. It HAS changed my life! But, I could not condone unlimited expense of government money to retrain workers into the trucking industry under the current economic reality. Tony (we call him the Rev) is right about the BACKLOG of drivers who have gone through these schools, but can't find JOBS! He's right about the number of carriers who've closed their doors and put drivers out of work.... I'm ONE of them. I HAVE a job now, thanks to a friend AND my 3 years of experience. He's ALSO right about the fact that ALL schools promise "pre hirement" when no such thing really exists! I was "pre-hired" before spending WIA funds for school, ONLY to find out that it fell through. I was lucky to find a smaller company that would hire me, and I made about $35k my first year. That is the industry standard! Actually.... it may be a bit HIGH based on what I've heard from others on CAD who went with MEGA-Carriers who treat them like the "equipment" they drive! I have a saying that "trucking is NOT for Wusses!" That has many meanings, but ONE of them is that the MBA types will NOT find this industry anything LIKE what they are used to. It takes a special type of man OR woman to deal with the B.S. involved in this career field. YOUR report said NOTHING about how hard this life is! I understand your distinction between SCHOOLS and JOBS. But, what does it serve anyone if SCHOOL enrollment is up, and jobs are not? This applies (as you mentioned) to medical schools and even MBA programs. And I would THINK to Journalism as a career path... except that "blogging" is an unlimited source of employment. YOU are a "journalist," and as such, are required to tell the whole story...to get your FACTS straight.... and to "report" the TRUTH. Yes, it is TRUE that driver school employment is at an all-time high.... but, that is only PART of the story! Apparently, the ONLY part of the story that you were "spoon fed." The fact that you ONLY had 90 seconds to tell your "story," does NOT mean that you didn't have a day or two to research it properly.... or to REPORT it responsibly! And, in THAT regard.... you FAILED. FYI.... I TOOK journalism courses in school, and I KNOW a bit about what you do. I also know how the industry has declined. It is up to YOU to decide what type of "journalist" you want to be. I don't think I could DO your job under the current circumstances! But... neither could you do MINE! Oh sure.... you included the "personal interest" aspect of the guy out of work who needed to feed his family, and would "deign" to drive a truck if that was all that was left for him to do.... but, where is your reportage about the thousands who spent their last dime to go to CDL school and nothing CAME of it? Your application to join our forum is a mere formality, and I'm sure you will be approved. So, PLEASE join into this conversation and let us know what you are thinking. Or is there a bigger story about Michael Jackson lurking on the horizon? Hobo |
In my email to Alex Cabrero, I listed training companies, and the restrictions they post, for the ones that post them. Also, listed a few companies, like Schnieder, that no longer trains new drivers. I have not heard back from him, but in answer to his statement about doing a piece on the trucking schools, it is misleading by not being complete, and therefore a dis-service to the public that is looking for hope. Rather like the people, a couple of years ago, that went to the tent city in Carson, NV, hoping to get a job in the casinos, only to find that they were not hiring. People are already trying to cope with a financial burden, and adding driving school costs to it, without getting a job, is not helping them at all. In a court of law, leaving out information in a manner that misleads the jury is considered lying under oathe. The same should also be true for the press and new media.
Part of my email to Alex: "There is also a constant demand for truck drivers." May we call this a misprint? While there is "constantly a demand for truck drivers", that demand is by no means constant. The demand varies from one period to the next. Just five years ago, companies were looking for nearly anyone they could get. Today, the requirements have tightened up because of the flood of drivers available. Only a year ago, Werner would accept a DUI if it was more than three years old. Today, it's no DUI... EVER. And, Werner is not the only one. Look at the requirements from a few years ago, and look at them today. Many of the students go into school without being told that things from their past will work against them. Drug charges will make it nearly impossible to find a job. With a DUI, they may as well not waste their money or they'll find that they owe thousands for school and can't find anyone to hire them. Any kind of speeding tickets may put them out of the game before they ever start. In my search, companies that still offer finish training to new drivers. FFE requires: DWI restriction - 5 years ago Moving violation restriction - 4 in the last 3 years (speeding tickets) Preventable accident restriction - 2 in the last 3 years Felony restriction - 10 years ago. May Trucking requires: DWI restriction - 5 years ago Moving violation restriction - 3 in the last 3 years Preventable accidents - 1 in the last three years Felony restriction - 5 years ago. Millis Transfer requires: DWI restriction - 5 years ago Moving violation restriction - 3 in the last 3 years Preventable accidents - 2 in the last 3 years Felony restriction - Less than 1 year ago. Prime Inc requires: DWI restriction - 3 years ago Moving violation restriction - 4 in the last three years Preventable accidents restriction - 4 in the last 3 years. Felony restriction - 7 years ago. Star Transportation requires: DWI restriction - NONE EVER Moving violation restriction - 3 in the last 3 years Preventable accident restriction - 4 in the last 3 years Felony restriction - NONE EVER Watkins Shepard Trucking requires: DWI restriction - 10 years old Moving violation restriction - 2 in the last 3 years Preventable accidents - 1 in the last 3 years Felony restriction - OLD. Conway Truckload has a training program, but NO DUI OR FELONY, EVER C R England - No listing of restrictions Swift - No listing of restrictions. But, we've had people come onto the forum asking help because Swift discharged them for the smallest of excuses. Roehl - I understand they still train, but will discharge a driver with very little reason and make it difficult to find another job. |
For the record, the forum that he is speaking of in his responses to me is not CAD. I have, however, given him a link to this forum, and will approve him immediately upon his registering. Mr. Cabrero has also expressed an interest in doing a story about the very issues we are raising.
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Originally Posted by charged
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If his story was about truck driving schools why did he include misleading information concerning starting wages? Seems to me he should have left that info out if it was strictly concerning the schools. The article sounds like an advertisement for Roadmasters. I wonder if Roadmasters advertises on channel 5 or an affiliate?
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That reporter seemed very catty in his first response,seems he doesnt like anyone questioning his work under any circumstances. And like was said above,the line about only accepting students that already have jobs lined up is laughable. I say good work Rev. That is a very misleading piece of journalism for anyone without a job looking for that last straw golden opportunity to get back on top. Jobless people on the verge of losing it all will turn their heads quick to see anything that is holding $40k-$60K a year in front of their faces for going to school for 3 weeks.
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Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
(Post 457898)
For the record, the forum that he is speaking of in his responses to me is not CAD. I have, however, given him a link to this forum, and will approve him immediately upon his registering. Mr. Cabrero has also expressed an interest in doing a story about the very issues we are raising.
No, I will not be hostile toward him and try to drive him off. At least, I don't think I will... Unless he refuses to print the other side of the story... We need a "smiley" of an Indian with war-paint...:smokin::smokin: |
Originally Posted by Windwalker
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How great is his circulation? Did you tell him he could be a "tin-horn" walking into a Souix encampment the night before "LITTLE BIG HORN"? I don't know about any other forums, but here, he's RAISED A BIT OF DANDER.
No, I will not be hostile toward him and try to drive him off. At least, I don't think I will... Unless he refuses to print the other side of the story... This story did raise dander on the other site as well, which is where I initially found it. I felt it was a topic worth discussing here though, as we tend to discuss more trucking related issues here than they do over there. Here's what I wrote him upon inviting him to our forum: Alex, As I'm sure you're well aware by now, your simple news story about a local truck driving school has taken on a life of its own. One thing that truck drivers are never short on is opinions, especially when it comes to issues that directly affect them. I was informed that you have received some correspondence from members of ClassADrivers.com. I invite you to join in on the discussion, as I am an administrator on that website. Here is a link to the discussion thread where we are talking about your news story: http://www.classadrivers.com/forum/a...-job-pool.html Tony |
Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
(Post 457907)
If you take a look at the link in my OP, you'll see that this is a television station, and the report was originally a 90 second news story on their local station. What was posted on their website, which I reposted, was simply a transcription of that newscast.
This story did raise dander on the other site as well, which is where I initially found it. I felt it was a topic worth discussing here though, as we tend to discuss more trucking related issues here than they do over there. Here's what I wrote him upon inviting him to our forum: |
KSL is the NBC affiliate in Salt Lake City, UT. Their coverage extends throughout Utah, plus parts of Arizona, Idaho, Nevada and Wyoming via translator stations. While I'm sure this small story as initially reported was not picked up by any networks, I certainly feel that the topic is extremely important, especially given the current economic situation our country finds itself in.
If only one person sees that initial story, and puts false faith in a 3 week course at a truck driving school being the answer to his prayers right now, then the story did a disservice. If Mr. Cabrero follows through on his expressed interest in providing the "rest of the story," and it saves one person thousands of dollars wasted on training that will do them no good, then it is worth it. |
Nice job, Rev. I hope he takes advantage of your invitation.
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Originally Posted by GMAN
(Post 457916)
Nice job, Rev. I hope he takes advantage of your invitation.
I'll be waiting for him to show up. I'm anxious to have a LOOOOOOOOONNNNNG talk with him.:thumbsup: Not just about the trucking industry, but about driving safety in general. |
Originally Posted by Windwalker
(Post 457919)
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I'll be waiting for him to show up. I'm anxious to have a LOOOOOOOOONNNNNG talk with him.:thumbsup: Not just about the trucking industry, but about driving safety in general. |
Originally Posted by golfhobo
(Post 457930)
Well.... NOW he'll NEVER show up! :lol2::lol2:
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Same HERE since I was trained the OLD School way wonder what he would say to that.
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Well Rev....you can always point him to the posts by guys that spent $4-5K on schools and STILL can't find a job with any companies. Thats a great question Iron Eagle.....I didn't attend a driving school other than my dad's cab, thats pretty "old school".
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After reading everything in this report, it seems like everyone trying to break into the business now is doing it primarily to feed their 5+ kids and save their mortgage.
Seems very little are wanting to learn to drive for the mere fact of truly trying something new, or like I originally did it for. I wasn't much of a "people person", so I asked around, looked things up my self and found this to be one of the few jobs where I could have some form of autonomy. The thing with alot of the new driver-trainees and the fields they come from is the fact that they were probably accustomed to everyday interaction with any and everybody. If they get through the training and out onto the road, miles upon miles of "no-contact" time awaits them. |
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