GMAN.... I pretty much agree with you. Neither party in reality is worth a "tinker's damn". They pretty much represent only themselves, and the country and the people are the farthest thing from their minds....
I think though that if we really review who has gotten us into wars... WWII....we were pretty much forced into that one. Roosevelt actually tried to keep the US neutral through legislation, but when Japan attacked us....we weren't exactly able to ignore that. Korea....while Truman was not enthused about another war so quickly on the heels of the prior one...it was virtually impossible to avoid as we were a large part of the UN. Truman did work to keep it a limited war. Vietnam... Ah, one so near and dear to my heart. Despite the claims of many, Kennedy did not start it.... American involvement began prior to the French defeat at Dien Bien Phu. After the Dien Bien Phu debacle Eisenhower cited the "Domino Theory" and we began getting really involved in SE Asia....and it was "downhill" from there. In 1956 the French left "Indo-China" and we began training the Vietnamese....MAG was established.... American Experience | PBS | Vietnam Online Later the issue was expanded and the Democrats inherited the issue. Just prior to his assassination, Kennedy wanted to withdraw all American troops... Was Vietnam Jfk's War? | Newsweek.com I guess my point is...that it is very difficult to pin the causes of war, or who ignited them on any one person or party. While one might perceive that Democrats are the ones to increase taxes....one might want to do some interesting reading: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy Bush Transpo Secretary?s Biggest Disappointment: Bush - onNYTurf And from here: RealClearPolitics - Articles - Blaming Obama for a Bush Economy : The same Republicans in Congress and on the radio who lionize the late Reagan now complain bitterly about the tax increases on the wealthy in President Obama's budget. What they never mention is that their conservative idol, faced with the recession that they blamed on his predecessor, likewise raised taxes during an economic slump. Terrified by the looming deficits that resulted from the supply-side tax cuts, the Reagan administration rolled back many of the cuts just a year after they had passed -- instituting what then amounted to the largest tax increase in American history. Those tax hikes took back about a third of the cuts legislated in 1981. But that historic tax increase is never mentioned when Republican legislators invoke Reagan -- and they still love to blame Mr. Carter for their hero's recession. This one points to some interesting things that were "brewing" in the last administration: A Bush Tas Increase? by Robert D. Novak on Creators.com - A Syndicate Of Talent One authors comments on the past administration: Conservative Book Service: Impostor: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy by Bruce Bartlett and it is important to note that the author is a hard-core "Reaganite".... The truth seems to be: The Republicans work to reduce taxes on the wealthy, yet at the same time spend vast amounts of money....as the past administration did by growing the government to a huge size....with the net effect of leaving the restructuring of the situation to re-balance the budget on the Democrats that end up dirty end of the stick. History and what not is interesting....and yet fickle. |
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Voted for change, did we??? Got a change too, didn't we.... Yup, and this week, the auto execs have been up on Capitol Hill, talking to their "new bosses". It was all over "FOX NEWS". Isn't "CHANGE" wonderful??? Now, for 2012, would you like a change for the "better"? I should have enough time to try it one more time. |
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I did not vote for Bush or Obama or Gore or McCain, dont get fooled by the R or D after the name because they are one and the same. |
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Me, I'm still in a wait and see posture. I'm not inclined to pronounce any judgment until the first year is over. Frankly, I wish him success. If he is successful, then the economy and the nation as a whole will improve, and that's a good thing. |
OMG When has government run anything right ?
war on drugs war on poverty medicare social security how are these government handout programs doing, remember it's about intentions not results. Ya please tax me some more for stupid programs that don't work. |
Dont forget another great USA company that sold out was Budweiser (Anheuser Busch). What really pisses me off is the can still says the Great American Lager. When they sold it off last year to Inbev. Which is a Belgium company:pissedoff:. By the way AB sold for 52 BILLION.
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NO ATTACK while he was in office?? 9/11 happened under his watch! While he was reading a book about goats to children! He had been FULLY warned of the threat! It takes YEARS to plan an attack on America. The fact that we didn't suffer ANOTHER on his watch can NOT be truthfully attributed to anything he did by declaring war on Saddam (to avenge his Daddy.) Quote:
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We don't WANT their MONEY! We want them to make a little LESS money by providing JOBS for other Americans. We want a JOB to go to each day, and to be able to pay for the gas to get there. We are sick and tired of big oil companies making billions in profits, millions for their CEO's, taking GOVERNMENT incentives to DO SO, and telling us to "eat cake!" And we are tired of being BLAMED for the "poverty" situation they have forced us into, and the REPUBLICAN presidents or congresses who have helped them RAPE America! Quote:
I don't WANT a "socialist" form of government! I don't even want socialist health care! I WANT the government that I ELECTED to "control" the costs of healthcare so that I can afford it. I want it to "control" the costs of energy and gasoline so that I can afford it. I want them to "control" the huge profits of the Military Industrial Complex by keeping my sons out of unnecessary wars. And I want it to GUARANTEE at least a "SHOT" at the American Dream for ALL Americans. The ONLY "control" I want from my government is on the GREED of certain "so-called" Americans who somehow believe it is Okay to build their fortunes off the backs of the American citizen! We are ONLY a few hundred years old as a country, yet we seem to be headed towards the "feudalism" that we eschewed! How MUCH is ENOUGH??? The Bible said (for those who CLAIM to follow it)... that it is not MONEY - but the LOVE of money - that is the root of all evil! THIS is the mantra of the Liberal! Or at least SOME of us. We are no more distracted by issues of "gay marriage" than conservatives are by Gun Control. I want to believe that ALL Americans are focused on what is RIGHT for America! And that is JOBS and the preservation of the Middle Class! Without the middle class, you HAVE no "free market" for your products! Your companies will FAIL, and your stocks will be worthless! I feel for those retirees who've lost their funds due to Wall Street GREED and incompetence, but I will NEVER shed a tear for those who built their wealth on GREED. They DESERVE to find themselves in a line at a soup kitchen! They deserve NO LESS than Louis the 14th and Marie Antoinette! And it COULD HAPPEN! Hobo |
Getting back to the original thread, GM purchased the Hummer brand name from AM General in 1999. AM General still produces the Humvee for the military. The H-2 and H-3 are only designed to look "military" but are actually only over-priced SUVs and not very useful for anything but highway use. Purchasers, as a rule use them that way and are really only engaged in conspicuous consumption anyway.
Tengzhong is a privately held Chinese company that is buying a brand that probably isn't viable in today's market. I wish them luck, they'll need it. |
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I see the businesses that are closing down..... and it hurts....knowing that so called Americans....greedy fools...who are gaining a few bucks on the bottom line by shipping jobs overseas...haven't the brains to understand that the very people who they depend on to purchase the finished goods...won't...because the unemployed and underemployed don't buy anything but absolute necessities. The slight upturn in the funds I have....I think isn't due to bailouts.... they are mostly based in "blue-chips" and companies that aren't involved in bailouts....so I have to think that they are gaining a little based on slightly increased consumer confidence and market confidence. Hobo.....you said it well. I agree with you "COMPLETELY!! |
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