Tried to stay away... I really did...
 

Got involved with another site, "NEWSVINE.COM" and read an article you folks might want to know about. For some of you, your "SHINY BLACK KNIGHT" isn't quite so shiny.

http://jazzman646.newsvine.com/_news...rican-american

Barack Obama Revealed, A Dire Warning from an African American...

The real information wasn't in the article itself, but came out in the comments below it.

So what is it about Bill Ayers? Those of you that are old enough, think back to 1968. Bill Ayers, ANTI-AMERICAN, CONVICTED OF NO LESS THEN 12 BOMBINGS, ranks right up there with the BLACK PANTHER LEADER that shot and killed a Chicago police officer, then got off on a technicality. They TOLD him his right to an attorney rather then reading them off a card. Not that many years ago, the same black panther leader was a candidate for mayor of Oakland, CA. Bill Ayers and Barack Obama... They's BUDDIES.

Those of you that are supporting him... Making a TRULY INFORMED DECISSION? ARE WE?

Here's more on Obama. Go to the links and read...

http://townhall.com/columnists/Thoma...the_real_obama

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gla...list-new-party

Hey Wind, the liberal Kool-Aid drinkers won't give a hoot about that. They've already put Ayers on a pedestal along with Obama and they worship both of them. Face it...both of dem are just swell guys, doncha know. :rolleyes:

As each day goes by, I'm hoping more and more that Obama wins out in November. It's going to be downright hilarious to watch the faces of some of these people when Obama gets turned loose with all his "programs."

Thank God I'm not an athiest or I would have already written off this country as lost.

BTW, do you want your original login stuff back? You are Windwalker, aren't you? :D

very well put...................:cool::cool::cool::D:D

:P That's why I put my old avatar back on. I had this one so long I think it grew on as part of me. Just like Gman's. I'll keep this one now. I don't think I need credit for all my past posts. You all know who I am.

But, what I've found out about Obama is VERY UNSETTLING, to say the least. I have to come up just a bit short of saying he's tied in with terrorists, but he certainly is tied in with EXTREMISTS. They're following the same pattern I learned about in school, so many years ago. But, when I read about it in History, they were talking about other countries. Now, it's our turn. They're putting their "puppets" in positions of power. When they get everybody in position, they're going to make their move. No wonder the President of Iraq has been talking about the end of the "AMERICAN EMPIRE". All of a sudden, his words aren't so hollow.

By the way, Reb, read the stories and others that the links will lead you to and you'll know just what "MACHINE" is behind him. They've got a whole lot of power (money) on their side.

And, you can still write my name in on the ballot in Nov.

:P That's why I put my old avatar back on. I had this one so long I think it grew on as part of me. Just like Gman's. I'll keep this one now. I don't think I need credit for all my past posts. You all know who I am.

But, what I've found out about Obama is VERY UNSETTLING, to say the least. I have to come up just a bit short of saying he's tied in with terrorists, but he certainly is tied in with EXTREMISTS. They're following the same pattern I learned about in school, so many years ago. But, when I read about it in History, they were talking about other countries. Now, it's our turn. They're putting their "puppets" in positions of power. When they get everybody in position, they're going to make their move. No wonder the President of Iraq has been talking about the end of the "AMERICAN EMPIRE". All of a sudden, his words aren't so hollow.

By the way, Reb, read the stories and others that the links will lead you to and you'll know just what "MACHINE" is behind him. They've got a whole lot of power (money) on their side.

And, you can still write my name in on the ballot in Nov.

WindWalker

Here's more reading... For those of you that are so intent on supporting Obama...

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-no...kes-connection

Bill Ayers is just a guy in the neighborhood, ehhh... Looks less and less credible all the time.

Back in the mid 90s, Obama signed a contract with the "NEW PARTY".
"NEW PARTY" is guided by Bill Ayers...
Bill Ayers bombed the Pentagon...
Never heard of anyone required to sign a contract with a political party before...

NOW!!! Now, do you folks want to discuss politics? If you do,,, SIGN ON PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WindWalker

Nice to see ya Windy!!!!

From here: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html
Ayers is old news. The article is too long to post here.


http://images.politico.com/global/v3/homelogo.gifObama once visited '60s radicals
By: Ben Smith
February 22, 2008 01:26 PM EST

In 1995, State Senator Alice Palmer introduced her chosen successor, Barack Obama, to a few of the district’s influential liberals at the home of two well known figures on the local left: William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.

While Ayers and Dohrn may be thought of in Hyde Park as local activists, they’re better known nationally as two of the most notorious — and unrepentant — figures from the violent fringe of the 1960s anti-war movement.

Now, as Obama runs for president, what two guests recall as an unremarkable gathering on the road to a minor elected office stands as a symbol of how swiftly he has risen from a man in the Hyde Park left to one closing in fast on the Democratic nomination for president.

“I can remember being one of a small group of people who came to Bill Ayers’ house to learn that Alice Palmer was stepping down from the senate and running for Congress,” said Dr. Quentin Young, a prominent Chicago physician and advocate for single-payer health care, of the informal gathering at the home of Ayers and his wife, Dohrn. “[Palmer] identified [Obama] as her successor.”

Obama and Palmer “were both there,” he said.

Obama’s connections to Ayers and Dorhn have been noted in some fleeting news coverage in the past. But the visit by Obama to their home — part of a campaign courtship — reflects more extensive interaction than has been previously reported.
Neither Ayers nor the Obama campaign would describe the relationship between the two men. Dr. Young described Obama and Ayers as “friends,” but there’s no evidence their relationship is more than the casual friendship of two men who occupy overlapping Chicago political circles and who served together on the board of a Chicago foundation.



But Obama’s relationship with Ayers is an especially vivid milepost on his rise, in record time, from a local official who unabashedly reflected a very liberal district to the leader of national movement based largely on the claim that he can transcend ideological divides.

In one sense, Obama’s journey toward the cultural and political center is not unusual among national politicians. But its velocity is.

Politicians of an earlier generation had their own relationships with figures now far to their left. Hillary Rodham Clinton, for instance, interned at a radical San Francisco law firm while in law school.

On the other side of the political spectrum, many in the generation before hers shifted dramatically on civil rights. John McCain voted against creating a holiday to honor Martin Luther King Jr. and later called that a mistake.

The relationship with Ayers gives context to his recent past in Hyde Park politics. It’s milieu in which a former violent radical was a stalwart of the local scene, not especially controversial.

It’s also a scene whose liberal ideological features — while taken for granted by the Chicago press corps that knows Obama best — provides a jarring contrast with Obama’s current, anti-ideological stance. This contrast between past and present — not least the Ayers connection — is virtually certain to be a subject Republican operatives will warm to if Obama is the Democratic nominee.

The tension between the present and recent Chicago past is also evident in some of his positions on major national issues. Many national politicians, including Clinton, have moved toward the center over time. But Obama’s transitions are still quite fresh.

A questionnaire from his 1996 campaign indicated more blanket opposition to the death penalty, and support of abortion rights, than he currently espouses. He spoke in support of single-payer health care as recently as 2003.

Like many of the most extreme figures from the 1960s Ayers and Dohrn are ambiguous figures in American life.

They disappeared in 1970, after a bomb — designed to kill army officers in New Jersey — accidentally destroyed a Greenwich Village townhouse, and turned themselves into authorities in 1980. They were never prosecuted for their involvement with the 25 bombings the Weather Underground claimed; charges were dropped because of improper FBI surveillance.

Both have written and spoken at length about their pasts, and today he is an advocate for progressive education and a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago; she’s an associate professor of law at Northwestern University.

But — unlike some other fringe figures of the era — they’re also flatly unrepentant about the bombings they committed in the name of ending the war, defending them on the grounds that they killed no one, except, accidentally, their own members.

Dohrn, however, was jailed for less than a year for refusing to testify before a grand jury investigating other Weather Underground members’ robbery of a Brinks truck, in which a guard and two New York State Troopers were killed.

“I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough,” Ayers told the New York Times in 2001.

And their rehabilitation in establishment circles, even in Hyde Park, has its limits.

Though he is a respected figure in liberal educational circles, Ayers wrote recently about how in 2006 he was informed he was persona non grata at a progressive educators’ conference in the summer of 2006.
“We cannot risk a simplistic and dubious association between progressive education and the violent aspects of your past,” he quoted the conference organizers, whom he described as friends, as writing to him.

But the couple has been embraced, by and large, in the liberal circles dominating Hyde Park politics.

“Bill Ayers is one of my heroes in life,” said Sam Ackerman, a longtime local activist. “I knew Tony Rezko, and he ain’t no Rezko.”

But others in Hyde Park, whose intellectual and political life revolves around the University of Chicago, view the couple with ambivalence.



Stringer Andrew Lipkowitz contributed to this story.
© 2008 Capitol News Company, LLC
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Really? How much do you want to bet that MOST of America does not remember about Ayers or his wife, and do not realize the significance of the association? I had thought they simply went underground, and after all this time, I didn't connect the name with all the violence from back then. For the majority of America, the story will be the same. And, for that matter, by now, most of the voters are too young to remember about it anynow.

Al Capone was well respected in his community too.

I meant the association of Obama with Ayers is OLD NEWS, in Chicago anyway. Did you notice that this was written last February? Ayers and Dorhn haven't been underground, they have been steadily working their way into the system.

Most voters are in the "Baby Boom" age brackets and SHOULD remember the '60's. Problem is, they've gotten complacent, and CHOOSE to forget. Even Richard Daley is saying we shouldn't bring up something that happened 40 years ago. BTW, isn't his brother working for Obama?


Yes we all loved Capone. He did a lot for his 'family' and his community. He just insisted on doing it "His Way". ;) (We Need a SARCASM smilie)

McCain and G. Gordon Liddy. Of course all he did was try to subvert the election of a President, conspire to kidnap and bomb. He also wanted to kill a journalist with whom he disagreed. Not anywhere near as bad as Ayers.

And of course Palin did not attempt to Hire Liddy to lobby.

Is this the part where I call into question your intelligence or loyalty to the country just because you don't agree with me? I have a hard time understanding the Internets (now on computers)

I remember the "WATERGATE" affair. But, the rest, I do not remember.
Do you have a link? Wouldn't mind reading about it.

From his Wikipedia page "Liddy concocted several plots, some far-fetched, intended to embarrass the Democratic opposition. These included firebombing the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C. , kidnapping anti-war protest organizers and transporting them to Mexico during the Republican National Convention"

Try to read this article over at the huffington post, I know they are a VERY far left website but the article has the best collection of quotes and information I could find. You might have to turn off a filter or something on your computer just to goto such a liberal site :)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_100134.html

From his 1980 book and also quoted on Wiki "In it he states that he once made plans with Hunt to kill journalist Jack Anderson, based on a literal interpretation of a Nixon White House statement "we need to get rid of this Anderson guy"

He twice suggested that the Branch Dividians shoot for the heads of the ATF agents on the ranch. Liddy also speaks highly of Adolf Hitler! Let me say that again, ADOLF HITLER! McCain has espoused support for Liddy on his radio show as recently as last November saying he was Proud of him. At least Obama denounced Ayers.

OK long story here. The great state of Alaska Budget Appropriation http://gov.state.ak.us/omb/09_omb/bu...9proj38713.pdf $120,000 for a company called Arctic Power. Arctic power then hires there very own TERRORIST G Gordon Libby to lobby for them with state money. And there was plenty of outrage http://www.adn.com/politics/story/380556.html I guess we can't say Gov. Palin didn't know about it.

Really? Does renouncing mean they can still do lunch? When did he denounce Ayers?

I am assuming that you meant to say denounce and not renounce, feel free to correct me if I am wrong(Like I needed to give you permission:) )

How about the same website you sent us to on another thread? Will that pass your "BIAS" test?

http://thepage.time.com/video-halper...-in-nashville/

That would be one of Obama's spokesmen for the uninitiated.

Is that anything like being for him before being against him? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Obama's a sleaze and a dangerous sleaze at that. He's got so many skeletons and corpses in his closets that Geraldo Rivera could spend years opening them and never run out.

I'll agree with that, especially concerning his Chicago associates. What I don't understand is the media treating him like he's made of Teflon.

Maybe I need to write a book... "SECRET HOSTILE TAKE-OVER OF AMERICA"

Get key people into positions to keep the negative hushed up, and get a good actor that can CHARM the public. Then, I have to get it published and on the BEST SELLER list before the election.
I went over both the video and transcript several times. Nowhere did I see or hear anything about denounce anyone. "Obama said the acts were deplorable" Does not sound like "denounce" to me.

And Senator McCain is no better. He still ACTIVELY supports terrorists! Did you even read my post at 3:12 ?

Main Entry:deplorable
de·plor·able

Function:
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1 : lamentable <a deplorable death>
2 : deserving censure or contempt : wretched <deplorable living conditions>

I think you are splitting hairs, and I think you know it too.

Tell you what, KW. You vote for your guy and I'll vote for mine. But I think you will have to agree that no matter who wins in November, the best man certainly won't be it. The best man (or woman) for the job, whoever that may actually be, isn't even in the contest.

Isn't that the truth!

Amen!

And now I have to type this just to make the 10 character post limit....I miss the old board.

Yeah, that is my least favorite feature for now. But, it's an easy trade for the two problems I USED to have! Maybe, as some said, it was just my use of AOL as a connection.... but, I RARELY get logged out anymore, and I haven't seen an "Invalid Session" error since the conversion! No more hitting submit over and over and over!

Just out of curiosity, Twilight... who would you say that person is, and why?

I would start a thread with that question, but it couldn't stay serious for very long. Hoggie would probably be the first to take it off track! :D But, I would find it interesting to know who each member would want, and why.

democrat or republican - They are a team, and all mostly liberal.

democrats are the bad guys. They are relentless in their vile, sniveling, whining, lying vitriolic complaining.

republicans are the good guys. They don't fight the democrats.

This is the good guy-bad guy approach of the establishment politicians, vs. We the People.

What color is the sky in your magic happy world?

You must be living under a rock if you can say the Republicans don't attack the Democrats. I mean really? You can't be serious.

Usually I just ignore your posts but you have sunk to a new level of..........

You are my enemy.

I've heard that there is an ignore button.
Feel free....

I am your enemy? Your ability to have a rational debate is amazing. I have clearly met my intellectual equal.

Don't be so hard on yourself, MDKW!! :D

OH, YES I AM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am still VERY MUCH A WRITE-IN CANDIDATE!!!!!!!!!!

I got an interesting email today....

I bet you did.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/money.asp

And this time, please, attempt refute the links within not snopes. It makes you appear foolish.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/money.asp ....yawn....try harder :)

Darn it Colin, you bet me to it by like 20 seconds!

I am curious why one would accept something stated on snopes but not from another source?

Because snopes lists sources, unlike our fearless copy and pasting forum member.

It's about creditability,which most long winded "listen to this" e-mails have zero of.

If you are a liberal, you are my enemy.
I presumed you a liberal, by your remark.

If you are conservative, then I apologize. I've just not read enough of your posts, to know who you are. There is a lot on these forums, that I do not see...

As far as your intellectual equal - doubtful.
It seems most liberals are highly educated idiots.
I know a lot of stuff. I just ain't too smart.

I am smart enough to know that if you violate the principles, the details don't matter, and any further discussion is just hot air.

liberals violate the laws of God, nature and physics - regardless of the consequences.
liberals have no problem stealing from We The People.

liberals are Relentless, Vile, Sniveling, Whining, Lying, Vitriolic Complainers.

This is characteristic of liberals.

So, if I confused you as being liberal, and you are in fact, not - I humbly apologize, again.

There is NOTHING like a post full of generalizations. :D

Wow, just wow. I love violating the laws of PHYSICS!