Sarah Palins Speech
 

In case you missed it...

http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=5721799

Thank ya! 8) I knew I could count YOU! :lol:

i just got one question about this sarah paulin lady. she seems to be very intelligent and well spoken, a good mother, a good wife, she sound sexy with her alsaka accent...yah. but when do we get to see a playboy layout??

Probably when some horny b@stard does a photoshop job. With her looks, I'm sure they are hard at work on it right now. :?

They are not....oops...you weren't talking bout that :oops:

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-p.

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You mean here is one small town housewifes opinion.

I found it amusing that she went so far as to bring up some high school antics.

In the game of Politics, she plays it well, of course there will be people that don't like her, BFD.

She pretty much wasted her time writing that letter cause I doubt many people will take it with a grain of salt.

Good catch, Gordo!

This woman is NOT what she appears to be. And she appears, to me, to be nothing more than a "convenient" yeswoman for McCain!

I can certainly understand by the sexually oppressed Conservatives are fauning over her, dismayed and disappointed as they are with the more "centrist" McCain, but geez they are acting like teenagers in love for the first time! :roll:

So she's attractive. And, with major effort managed to read a speech that was written for her by a Bush speechwriter. I'm not impressed, at least not yet.

Did you hear her speech introducing McCain? Did you hear her give it AGAIN... word for word.... a couple of days later in Wisconsin? Like they didn't tune into the convention coverage? I mean REALLY! Is that ALL she's got? Unable to write a speech for herself, she insults the intelligence of all those people waiting to see and hear from her by repeating the SAME speech, word for word, that she had already USED in the convention?

Talking points! That's all the GOP campaign can come up with! Just the same old "TIRED" talking points! :roll:

But, I guess that is all that is needed for Republicans, because.... one by one, they have ALL shown up here to PRAISE her for her "delivery" of a speech written FOR her, even including references to national policy of which she knew nothing about! :lol:

Pitiful! That's all I can say about those who are SO desperately in need of rejuvenation of their party! That and the word "transparent." I don't know about y'all..... but, I can see right through all this political "posturing."

S-s-s-a-a-a-r-r-a-a-a-h-h, is the "conservative" lamb to the slaughter to garner the Moral Majority and Conservative votes that McCain so desperately needs and lacked! Not to mention the boldface attempt to steal Clinton supporters that want a woman to "break the glass ceiling" more than they care about their own personal freedoms!

It MAY work! Women MIGHT be that shallow! Independents MIGHT be that prejudiced against a black president. I don't know! Hell..... even "I" am not committed yet at this point! :shock:

But, this election is between McCain and Obama, and I am not swayed nor "bought" by a pretty SKIRT! Whether or not her pretty head is full of AIR, is yet to be determined. My personal belief is that she will be shown for what she is NOT long before November! And I STILL believe that it is pitiful for a Presidential hopeful to play such a "card" out of desperation, because he KNOWS he is trailing in the national polls!

I mean no disrespect to WOMEN when I say that I truly believe she was chosen for her SEX and "subserviant" nature, moreso than her experience or qualifications!

McCain was in BIG trouble in the polls, and he made a "political" choice! And he did so on the spur of the moment! That does NOT show the kind of judgement I expect from the President of the U.S.

Now hobo...how do you know she is not what she appears to be? Have you met her, dealt with her in person? Doubt it...so save your judgements...

Heard on the news the other night her teleprompter went down 1/2 way through the speech so it seems to me she did pretty well.

Why is it you just can't take sides on an issue without getting personally towards women?

I certainly don't consider myself sexually REPRESSED...I have MORALS!!!!

Sure you mean no disrespect, your post SMACKS of it.

And how can he have big trouble in the pols when he has been neck & neck all along...I checked them this morning... Obama has slipped another 2 points...I don't call that trouble. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't know how many of you have ever lived in a small town, but I have. I spent 4 years in a town of about 5,000 ( the same as Wassilla when she was mayor.)

Not EVEN being as remote as a small town in Alaska, the mayor of my small town owned a gas station IIRC, to make his living! He got a few hundred dollars a month to attend the few meetings that were necessary.

The ISSUES were small. The decisions were small. The consequences were small. Do you get my drift?

By all accounts, Mayor Sarah sought federal or state funds to build a sports complex (I guess to draw tourists from 3,000 miles away) in lieu of improving sewer and water needs for her constituents.

Tell the truth now.... how many of YOU ever made vacation plans to visit Wasilla, AK??

Anyone who opposed her, fell victim to that screeching tongue of hers! PTA my butt! This woman had an agenda from the beginning! You don't take on the sitting Governor without AMBITION! :roll:

I don't know the whole story about her, but neither do any of YOU! But, I am not jumping on her wagon until I know some FACTS! That is the difference between me and many of the "desperate" Conservatives in this country, who can be easily swayed by good looks and a "gun toting" mentality! :roll:

So what you are REALLY saying is that because she is a WOMAN she is not allowed to be ambitious RIGHT? Because if she were a MAN...you would be singing her praises about how she moved heaven & earth to get things done for her community...BUT because she is a woman & a damned good looking one for that matter...she should stick to being a "hockey mom" and leave politics or ambition to the men!

Your true colours are showing through again Hobo! :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I got to agree with Kat on this one Golfhobo!

Ease off the testosterone there a bit hobo, you're really showing your ass on this thread.

Have you met Mrs. Palin and discussed the issues with her face to face?

No? Then how do you know she is just a 'skirt' on the ticket meant to attract votes.

I have met her. I grew up in Alaska and knew her in high school and ran across her from time to time after that. Even back in high school this lady was scary smart. She was my opponent in more than one debate and I'm not ashamed to say that she kicked my ass.

My parents know her more recently. They still live in Alaska and my father consults with the State government, and Palin, on a variety of issues. He tells me that she is the real deal and a true Reagan Conservative.

Have you ever been to Wasilla? I have. It's much more than a small rural town in the middle of nowhere, but you wouldn't know that by just listening to the media talk about it and believing everything they say that is negative, while at the same time believing every positive thing they have to say about Obama and Biden.

btw, it was well reported that the tele-prompter broke less than half way through her speech. She did just fine without it.

Oh, another thing. There isn't a politician in the country who writes their own speeches, including your good buddy Obama. They all employ speech writers, every one of them.

Do you even know what the Conservative agenda is?

No again. You just listen to Air America and believe every word of it. Take off the tin foil hat and do some research.

Palin was never meant to attract the Hillary supporters. Palin is a staunch Conservative, Hillary supporters are by and large liberal leftists. They won't vote for her just because she's a woman.

McCain was not and never has been in trouble in the polls. The race has been neck and neck for several weeks now. If anything, Obama is in trouble and McCain is going to take the lead in a day or two.

Palin was not chosen on the 'spur of the moment', despite what you wish to believe. She was carefully chosen and completely vetted over a long period. McCain's lawyers and selection committee spent countless hours (and money) examining every aspect of her life, public and private, count on it.

Your entire posts reeks of disrespect and is highly offensive. Not only towards women but towards anyone who is going to vote for her.

wildkat said:

No, Katt... I have not had the pleasure, and neither have YOU! I make my "judgements" based on what I see and hear, and background information. You, apparently, make yours based on female emotions! :roll:

Heard that, too. But, it came up again momentarily. She had a copy of the speech (that was written FOR her) in front of her, and she ad libbed a bit. Big deal. Happens all the time, yet YOU seem to think that her ability to "carry on" was SUPERNATURAL like no one else could have done so! :shock: Maybe I am not so impressed by this because for over 40 years, MY FATHER gave half hour sermons with a few notes and NO TELEPROMPTER! If one KNOWS what they are talking about, they don't NEED a teleprompter to tell them what to say!

I believe you are WAY OFF BASE here, Katt! I am, and HAVE BEEN, a staunch supporter of women's rights AND the awareness that they can do anything a man can do! The criticisms, if you want to call them that, have nothing to do with her SEX! I have questions about her experience, and MORESO about the reasons behind her selection! But, I have said NOTHING that would indicate she was incapable BECAUSE she was a woman!

I hate to submit this observation but, it seems YOU are getting defensive BECAUSE you and she are women! I have said NOTHING about her that relates to her abilities because she is a woman!

:lol: :lol: :lol: I was talking about the MALE members of the Republican party! Especially those who are influenced by the Moral Majority! Heck, everyone KNOWS that the hottest lay in town is a Republican woman who goes to church every Sunday! And yes.... I KNOW! :wink:

No it doesn't! But YOURS smacks of both Feminist indignation and Moral protectionism. But, "I" have the good grace to not point that out! :wink:

"All Along?" Let's get real! Obama has been tracking 10 points ahead of McCain for weeks now! He didn't get much of a "bump" after the DNC because most people who would vote for him were already decided. McCain got a small bump from his patronization of the hurricane victims AND some from Sarah, BEFORE his pathetic and boring acceptance speech. As of right now, they are just NOW "neck and neck" and that is before the results include his "acceptance speech" which won't be averaged out until about monday.

Perhaps, before quoting polls, you should learn a bit more about how they work. But, no doubt, this will be another close race! But, what would one expect? It seems that America is pretty closely equally divided between Democrats and Republicans. The Independants make up only 6% of the vote!

The difference is that, in the past, once one party won the presidency, the MAJORITY of the country got behind him for the good of all. Only in recent years has the country REMAINED divided after an election. Thank Dubya (the great uniter) for that! :shock:

Pres. Bush has the lowest approval rating of ANY president in American history! There are two possible reasons for that. ONE is that, all of a sudden, the parties became self absorbed and "non-American" and would not nor could not work for the common good as they have for two centuries.

The OTHER explanation is that Dubya has divided the nation, even to the point of marginalizing his own conservative base, to the point that nearly 80% of the country feels he has mismanaged his power and position, sacrificed our troops and resources against the will of the people, ruined the economy affecting EVERY household that ISN'T rich, and REFUSED to take our side against the oil barons and the super rich!

America is NOT a perfect nation! No more than any other. We are capable of making mistakes, and Dubya is the biggest one we've made in a century! :shock:

At this point, I really don't care WHO is our next leader, as long as he/she CHANGES the way we are heading! I have much respect for John McCain, AND for Obama! Hell..... I might would even vote for Sarah Palin, IF she were more experienced, didn't have to read her speeches from a script, and had EVER had a friggin PASSPORT! :shock:

I am neither SEXIST nor RACIST in any way that I am aware of.... and especially where it concerns the leadership of MY country! YOUR implications to the contrary show BOTH your ignorance of my country's politics AND your misunderstanding of ME!

But, you are excused..... because you're just a Canadian! :lol:

Apparently, YOUR idea of International Relationships consists of local "border treaties" concerning a friggin oil pipeline! :roll:

Now, don't get mad at me, WildKat! I am just answering your "charges" with an American attitude! That is my birthright! If it makes you feel better, Sarah Palin's got NOTHING on YOU! :wink:

Hobo

And to back SilverWulf up it's proven he met with her in Feburary. I think you went a little bit over the line Hobo and SilverWulf is right the Obama gang uses writers and teleprompters too so to say that McCain and Palin does is pretty much being biased and shows me your real colors. Also Golfhobo you really offended WildKat and if you thought she was mean wait until RebelDarlin reads it you're gonna wish you held your tongue. I'm not threatening you I'm just giving you a warning that you offended some people here.

Is Ok LL...as you've likely figured out... I am QUITE capable of looking after myself...no offense. Since I've been on this board I've had many differing opinion with Hobo..we normally DON'T let it affect the "relationship" :lol: There have been many a time I have stood and defended him, much to his dismay, but on this occassion I have to say I WAS & AM offended. Your digs about her being a woman are offensive. You use words like "Anyone who opposed her, fell victim to that screeching tongue of hers! PTA my butt! This woman had an agenda from the beginning! You don't take on the sitting Governor without AMBITION" Tell me What's wrong with her having AMBITION???? You make it sound like a VICE. But if it was a MAN....wow, he's DRIVEN & AMBITIOUS!!! Great traits to have for a Governor of a state!

Hobo...you made it very plain, to me at least, that you feel that Sarah Palin is nothing but "window dressing", but I don't think so. Maybe you think negotiating oil pipeline rights with a friendly nation is nothing to "sneeze" at, but believe me it was no easy task. It took many years of delicate negotiation with ALL involved parties, not just federal, provincial, territorial governments, but the local native bands, and believe me, there would have been times she would have been ready to bring her GUN I am absolutely SURE of that!...you don't, like me understand a different nations politics. Personally yours BAFFLE me, but I still pay attention, because when one sleeps next to an elephant...

I appreciate the compliment about me, but again if that is your way of placating me, you missed! :shock: :shock: And when I get my damned PIES out of the oven we'll continue this debate! :lol: :lol: :lol:

NO, KAT! I am NOT saying ANY of that! You are reading me wrong!

ANY apprehensions I have about her, I would have IF she were a MAN! It is the experience issue for me at THIS moment! When I say that McCain chose her partly because she was a woman, and MIGHT steal some disenfranchised Hillary votes, that is a slam against McCain!!! I hve NOTHING against her for being a woman! Margaret Thatcher was an excellent Prime Minister of England for many years! But, Sarah Palin is no Margaret Thatcher!

[On a related note, I LIKE Ms. Palin, and I believe with ALOT more experinece in National government, she would have every right to run for president in this country.... as did Hillary! IF she proved herself to me beyond what little experience she has now.... I might someday vote for HER for President!]

I care NOT for the SEX of a politician whose ambitions cause them to put themselves above their constituents.... and I am NOT saying that SHE has done this! Dubya comes to mind! HE (and Cheney) moved heaven and Earth to get what they wanted, and I have hated THEM for it! And THEY are not women!

You have misrepresented my intentions, Kat. And you have misjudged me totally! If McCain had chosen an unknown and unproven person with no more experience than her to be his running mate, I would have had the SAME response REGARDLESS of their sex!

YOU are the one that is making SEX an issue here! YOU are the one who has a "hang-up!" over it! YOU are the one who has gotten EMOTIONAL over a political decision!

Can you explain to ME why YOU are so defensive?

Just to "clue you in," it is the Democrats who have always supported the rights of women! WE nominated the first woman as vice president candidate! And, to some extent, that is why WE are now so surprised that the Republicans, who think women belong in the kitchen, have now chosen a woman as Veep candidate!

Any more, and ALL implications that I am against Ms. Palin because she is a woman should stop RIGHT NOW!! :roll:

Since you are wondering Hobo...maybe you need to understand where I and many women come from...we struggled HARD to get where we are, not just with MEN but with many WOMEN as well...

FEMINIST...ME???? NOT! Don't you DARE lump me in with those LOONS!

I am offended not by WHAT you said, but by the TONE you said it in...go back & re-read your post...and see how many other WOMEN will be deeply OFFENDED by it.

OK so she has very little experience on the national stage...so what? She is NOT running for President. I would think that experience as a Governor would give her much more experience than a state senator or a US Senator who has been running for President since he got elected to the Senate.

Apparently you aren't as smart as you think you are if you can't see how sexist and degrading a lot of your remarks are. Not just to Palin, but to all women.

Typical Golfbobo blathering.... he is upset because his hope and change candidate is circling the drain...... :lol: :lol: :lol:

hmm, what did y'all say...i was thinking about sarah paulin naked again...oh hell i started doing it again. anybody got some lotion and a kleenex?

wildkat said:

I'm NOT! I know pretty much all I need to know about women.

I do! (or I don't, depending on what word you key on.) If you think I am some 20 yr old kid who hasn't LIVED through, and SUPPORTED Women's rights in THIS country and around the World, you are gravely mistaken! If you are NOT familiar with a man who understands your position, but will give you no more quarter than any OTHER citizen, you are talking to the wrong man.

You think "I" don't KNOW this? I am one of the biggest critics of the "redneck mentality" in this country that would put every woman in the kitchen and every Black in a harness! I live in the SOUTH for Christ's Sake! Not too mcuh has changed here in over 100 years!

But, i am not FROM here, and I don't share this mentality! Why do you think I crave going OTR to the WEST?

Interestingly enough, on CNN and FOXNEWS this week, I have heard that there are WOMEN who are against Palin, because she is not "barefoot and in the kitchen!" And these were REPUBLICAN women! :shock: :roll:

I'll make you a deal. I won't "lump" you in with ANYONE, if YOU will stop making the same assumptions about ME! You are reacting to things I have said based on what you have HEARD on the news about how OTHERS feel, and thieir reasons! You haven't really heard a WORD I've said, without putting it in context with the "majority" that you disagree with!

So, your interpretation of HOW I said it, without audio or smilies, has colored your interpretation of WHAT I said? I don't have to re-read my posts, they are my thoughts, feelings and beliefs. And they are not, nor EVER could be "colored" by sexism or racism, because I don't HAVE those influences in my life! Perhaps, YOU "read" those posts with a "color" of your expectations based on your OWN personal experiences or experiences. That would be YOUR problem...... not MINE!

She's not "running" for anything! She was appinted! If she were "running" for anything, I believe she would be a bit more humble. And... she SHOULD be, even so, considering the circumstances! But, that is not the point. But, to answer your question, McCain is a fairly old man, with two major surgeries to remove CANCER. It is not inconceivable that she could end up BEING the President of the U.S (free world) within her first 4 years! I hope not! I pray for good health for McCain (whether President or not!) but.... that would be my answer to your question of "so what?" :roll:

And you COULD be right. Several of our BEST presidents have been governors! But, they were not governors with less than 2 years experience as governor, and their states were more "involved" with the problems of the country.

I'm not going to debate the experience issue. She has very little experinece to be V.P.... and Obama has very little experience in the Exectutive branch, either. Neither does McCain for that matter! Nor Biden.

The question of this election is NOT who has the most experience in ANY branch of government, or WHO has spent more years in the Hanoi Hilton. It is about VISION and CHANGE.

McCain wants to be a Maverick, although he has little record that varies from the Bush agenda. Obama promises change, but is unproven. So, what should we do? Trust the future of America to a young man with the vision of JFK? Or relegate it to the party of the last 8 years?

Just to make things clear..... my concerns are with the head of the ticket! Sarah Pallin is of LITTLE import to me! :roll: :lol:

She is being "used" by McCain to rally the moral majority and conservative base that he has alienated. If you don't LIKE the fact that she is being USED..... take it up with your Republican candidate! :roll:

As she stands for everything Obama is against, she will hve LITTLE affect on the election! She is no more a "rock star" than Obama is! This election is about SERIOUS issues.... and she is NOT one!




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Another tipsy Sunday on the books.

Now that I have time to sit & think & not to use YOUR words let emotion & feminist retoric rule what I think

...this "Alberta Redneck" has things to do on Sundays... I do WOMAN things like bake....Cause my HUSBAND likes it & I ENJOY it!

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Your first sentence pretty much says it all....

You stated that she has AMBITION...and you used it in the CONTEXT that it was a BAD or EVIL thing...YOU did this, I wasn't the only one offended by it...but I noticed Reb edited her comment...I wished she would have left it alone, it was a good one...she has a much better way with words than I do.

I also noticed that you conveniently ignored when I quoted what I found offensive in your post directly and explained how it would be offensive to women.

What I DID notice about the media reports on her was mostly very negative from LIBERAL women...how can you be a mother & a VP? I don't even have a NICE word for that comment...I guess it's ok to be a career woman as long as you are a liberal woman? Then they question her abilities as a MOTHER...What does that have to do with being a VP????

Maybe cause I am from the North I can see where Mrs. Palin is coming from...we are definitely DIFFERENT up here.

But what I just don't get is all this jumping to conclusions & making judgements before anybody REALLY knows what she's all about.

OH WOW!! I like to look at pics of Sarah Palin but those pie pics are even better.

Apple pie, D,OH!! :shock:

LOL Scoe...See I learned a LONG LONG time ago the best way to a man's heart is through his stomache!

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Golfhobo I use3d to consider myself a Moderate Democrat. However once I saw the Direction that Howard Dean Nancy Ploesti Baroack Obama and Here in my own state of IL Rod Blagoavich were taking the party I switched over to the GOP yes they are wore on the Right Wing of Politics however they do not want to ban everything and anything that tastes good or might be fun from your life unlike the PEOPLES DEMOCRATIC PARTY. Here in our household the roles are reversed do to my Epilepsy and my wife works outside the home however we both bust our butts raising our kids together. Yet when Palin was nominated to be Mc Cains VP the stuff I heard on the Radio and saw online made me want to puke especially about her 17 year old daughter. I have a niece that had a child as a teen and she is raising him on her own. Her child was the product of a crime not love.

You remind me anymore of a shirt I saw around Chicago during the IL Primary that was plain and to the point Bro's BEFORE HO'S Barack Obama own campaign put that out.

What seems to be happening, everytime someone does question "facts" about Palin, they are attacked as neanderthal, or the information is considered the product of the massive world wide media conspiracy.
Her selection was a complete surprise to everyone. People want to know about her, She is attractive and a woman, she was selected to draw in the disgruntled Hillary voters first and foremost. That she also has done some good things in Alaska, and has high popularity there is a plus. She has energized what was a rather apathetic Republican response so far. Now they are simply thrlled he (McCain) didn't come on stage and pull a frog out of his pocket.
She will be a excellent foil the Bidens extensive foriegn policy knowledge, (which is far more broad based than McCains) in their "debate." If Biden even comes close to giving her a history lesson he will be viewed as "demeaning and mean to women." A potential loss of 1000's of votes from the Hillaryites . Biden is pretty much in a no win situation. Now, she on the other hand could probably kick him in the groin and get away with it.
But as with all politicians there is always another side. It is that side that needs to be explored. Politicians always glorify accomplishments as their own, when if fact they were the hard work of other individuals long before they were on the scene. Case in point is the Alaska natual gas pipline she crowed about in her acceptance speech, one would belive it was her undertaking from the beginning, that is NOT true, it began 2 years before she ever set foot in Juneau. And the pipeline isnt schedule to begin construction until 2017, if it is ever completed is still a guess.
"The bridge to nowhere" She originally helped lobby Washington for the funds, then when it became an embarassment, she was against it. HOWEVER< the funds for the bridge were already "sent to Alaska" the money that was to complete the bridge was NOT returned to Washington (the taxpayers), but instead added to the Alaska General Fund and divided up amongst various state agencies and spent. Now in business circles, if CEO takes money allocated for one purpose and then allocates it to another, some may construe that as "mis-allocation of funds," to possible "fraud." But she was utilizing the "politics as usual," format and allocated the money as she saw fit.
I am sure we all will be learning more in the next 60 days.

Latest USA Today/Gallup poll

McCain leading by 10

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Hobo...
For what it's worth. I have VERY LITTLE faith in ALL the career politicians. The problems in this country have been building for many years. They are not anything that have come along in the last six months, like all those career politicians would have you believe. That means that all those 30 and 40 years of experience that so many of them are so proud of.... ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM, NOT THE SOLUTION!!! All that time they spent in office, they just helped to build the problems into monsters we have now. What makes me think they have a practical answer now? I would rather vote for a "ROCKY MOUNTAIN FUR TRAPPER" that had not even heard of Washington DC until last week, than some fool that's been messing up our country for the last 40 years. I would rather vote for a dirt-farmer from North Dakota than ANY ATTORNEY. Attorneys have very little PRACTICAL KNOWLEDGE. In the middle of July, they'll put a "BALL OF WATER" on top of a hill and expect it to stay there without a container. What the BLAZES were all these people doing for the last 40 years while our problems have been getting worse, AND MULTIPLYING??? Now??? Now... They are going to tell us that they have the solution??? Now, we are supposed to believe they can fix what THEY have been doing for the last 40 year???? Slap me in the face every day for the last ten years, then expect me to vote for you??? Is that your logic???

I want someone that has been on the bottom, looking up at what's been rolling down on us, to go up there and fix the problems. Not someone that has no idea just how much he's been scattering over us for the last 40 years, and has no idea just how deep we're standing in it. That does not mean some attorney that is simply going to tell me to duck when I see something coming my way, or when I see something directly above my head that seems to keep getting larger.

Most people have already tightened their belts as much as they can, and more taxes will cure that? Like giving a glass of water to a drowning man. The economy has been declining, so throw it an anchor. Don't put a guard rail along a mountain road, park an ambulance down below.

I see Palin's lack of experience as an asset. I can't say that I have all that much faith in McCain, but Palin has been at the bottom, and takes that experience with her. I see that as a genuine asset, and certainly far more so than a law degree.

Our Founding Fathers were far,far smarter than we are today. At the first Continental Congress meeting, any person that was a attorney, or made ther living in the law profession, was DENIED entry into the meeting.

Attorney's should not be allowed to run for any public office that involves the passing of legislation. It is a conflict of interest. Besides, I don't think that they give lawyers a degree if they have any common sense. :wink: These people know how to get into our pockets and use the law to get it done. This country was much better off before we started electing lawyers to office. Anything they do as an elected official is a conflict of interest due to their profession.

wildkat said:


And I have had time to calm down from my level of political indignation at the choice, and frustration over the apparent blindness of those who jumped to her defense ...

That is exactly how I meant it. I never intended to suggest that a woman cannot be ambitious in the workplace OR politics. It is precisely the "evil" definition or nuance of the word that I referred to. But, I withdraw the statement, as I feel I gave her too much credit in that regard.

I was on the road, and/or busy with other threads. You did not quote WHAT I said that offended you, you specifically said it was my TONE. If you were offended by my TONE because you misunderstood it, I apologize for your mistake. ;)

I found this a bit strange, too. We as Democrats discussed it for several weeks. It was irrational. I would say that it was just a bunch of Democratic/Liberal women who were jealous because she wasn't THEIR candidate.... but, we know how condescending THAT would sound. :D

Yes you are.... and I can see and appreciate your pioneer spriit shining through. But, we have small towns and remote states down here, too.... so, I can see where she is coming from as well.... and I didn't ignore it JUST because she was a charismatic and/or good looking woman.

You call it jumping to conclusions. I call it rational political analysis. I stand by my judgements on her lack of "suitability" to be next in line to the Presidency and Command of our military. And I stand by my analysis of the motivation behind her selection. And the discussions in political circles of the last few weeks, and the increasing negatives on her in the polls, bear me out. I can't help if I saw it from the beginning..... I'm just "psychic" that way. :cool:

Don't believe me? Check these out. The second one is my favorite!

http://www.time.com/time/politics/ar...inline-sidebar

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...WMyYTUxZDkwNTE=

I'm not sure where you got this information, but it is NOT correct.

Peyton Randolph, who was the President of both the 1st and 2nd Continental Congress, was an attorney.

SilverWulf said:

It's a messageboard. I LIKE discussing politics and social issues. Apparently you, too, can't separate my feelings about her "unsuitability" for the position from you "expectations" of anyone who would question it.

I could post a long, analytical explanation.... but, let's just say I'm psychic!

So, after Thursday night, we have a better understanding of YOUR debating skills! I'm not questioning her basic intelligence. One doesn't get to where she is without it. I NEVER called her an airhead or anything of the sort. But, it is clear that she is OUT OF HER LEAGUE when confronted with or dealing with matters of national or international complexity.

Reagan was considered by true Conservatives to be nothing more than an "actor."

You are making WAY too many assumptions about how and where I get my information, and upon what I base my "assumptions" or analysis.

The difference (that you are missing) is.... MOST of them have major input into the ideas of those speeches. Many write rough drafts and have writers polish the rough edges. Clinton AND Reagan wrote most of the body of nearly all of their speeches. HERS was wriiten FOR HER by the same man who has been feeding us Dubya's manure for 8 years now. It was talking points RIGHT out of the current administration. At THAT point, she would have been totally incapable of writing a speech that addressed the concerns that were important, and would more than likely have made many mistakes if she had.

I know as much as I need to know about it. Same goes for the Liberals. I don't disagree nor agree with all points of either. I know what MY agenda is.... and it was pretty clear to me what McCain's was!

I have almost NEVER listened to Air America. I have tuned in the LEFT channel on my Sirius a couple of times, and can't stand what I hear, so I change the channel. I have actually spent HOURS listening to the RIGHT channel on Sirius... only because I can't BELIEVE the crap I'm hearing, but it's like watching a train wreck! AGAIN with the assumptions!

Here's a clue: Not ALL Hillary supporters were staunch liberals! MANY were undecided, moderate, centrist, whatever.... and supported her BECAUSE she was a woman and they so want to break that glass ceiling. I have no problem understanding that. Now.... droves of them have switched their votes for the SAME reason. But, some of them are now switching BACK because they woke up! But, your statement was at least HALF right.... she was ALSO chosen to win over the true conservatives that McCain has always alienated!

Wrong again. Not even relating to the CURRENT state of the polls, at the time you said this, the fact that McCain was NOT ahead (or further ahead) in states that SHOULD have been firmly in his pocket...especially (and I hate to say it) with the underlying race factor.... shows that he has been in trouble from the very beginning!

Sorry, this is TOTAL B.S. and everyone knows it!

I'm sorry if you and others saw it that way. I certainly didn't mean to offend. I was making a "value based" judgement with no regard for her gender or race. I don't have any negative feelings against anyone who (still) plans to vote for her and her minion McCain. If I showed any condescension, it was meant only for those who SUDDENLY decided to vote that ticket based on their OWN shallow motivations and gullibility. But, in truth, it was meant towards McCain and his obvious political pandering!

Thanks for your participation in this debate. Sorry you won't be able to sit down for awhile! ;)

Hobo

I love this one...

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Li...y-open/656281/