They've done a decent job at holding together over the years, although I'll never understand what possessed Dave Vincent to leave for the sake of joining the Genitorturers, regardless of how short lived that was. When a band sets out to suck as much as Seth Putnam's band (you should know the name of it already, and why I can't post it on here), and fails at even doing that, it should be a good sign that it's probably not a good place for someone whose band has been a landmark of the US DM scene.