well yeah! :oops: you mean they won't!?

pssss, the sound of rawlco bursting my optimistic bubble, leaving me to fall into de nile.

damn you rawlco, that was the only way i could get over some of them. :oops: :P :wink: :D

I don't defend Azzholes OR drunk drivers. Therefore YOU and she are both out of luck.

But you do defend their right to be an asshole or a drunk driver. :lol:

I have never defended anyone's right to be a drunk driver.

I HAVE at times defended people's right to be an azzhole, but since BigD has abused that privilege to the point of tedium, I am now taking that position under advisement.

In the meantime, my last IFR is in effect, and if he happens to get shot before a final ruling can be made, so much the better!

You defend a truck driver's supposed right to drink in their truck. Please explain the difference.

Drinking in the sleeper and going to bed is a lot different than drinking, then getting behind the wheel and heading down the road.

Myself, I only drink when I'm at home and won't be behind the wheel for the next 24hrs.

The difference between drinking in the sleeper and getting behind the wheel of a CMV is a matter of a few short feet.

Even if you drink in your own home and go to your own bed inside your house, the truck is only a few feet away.

Well, I guess that makes it all okay then. :roll:

What yanked my chain about the accident I posted this about, is the fact that the "GIRL" whom started the entire deal, was more concerned with her pityful SELF, than she was about the truck driver whom died, trying to NOT KILL her.

It actually took the Maryland authorities a couple days to make that worthless woman the focus of the accident investigation, instead of the driver whom died.


Whether GH supports the right of choice, for those whom to chose to drink in their sleeper, is irrelavant don't you think??

I was GOING to clarify my statements, but you told me NOT to! NOW you want me to explain the difference? I doubt seriously if you could UNDERSTAND the difference! At least your constant barrage over the last few weeks would indicate that you CANNOT.

A few short feet, AND something called "professionalism!" A quality that you (the Rev) don't seem to understand. Perhaps, for sheeple like YOU, it is best that you DO believe what you believe. Apparently, you NEED someone to tell you exactly what you CAN'T do, because you have no ability to make sensible decisions for yourself! You should have joined the Army. You would have made perfect cannonfodder! :roll:

Oh, BTW.... in a recent thread, someone pointed out that your generator might not meet DOT specs. Your answer was "screw 'em!" (paraphrased) So, the regs only apply to you when you WANT them to? :shock: :roll:

I say the Emperor wears no clothes! :shock:

And I COMMAND you to answer this post! :wink:

You can't figure out the difference between the right to have a LEGAL drink and driving a vehicle AFTER you're intoxicated? I thought you were smarter than that.

When I'm at home and in bed, but, more relevant to the point, at that time, I'm not in actual physical control of the vehicle.
Just accept that, as CMV operators, we're entrusted with a greater responsibility, and, as such, we have a higher level of accountability. It goes hand-in-hand with being a professional. Just deal with it.

Like I already said, if I'm at home and will be off at least 24hrs before I have to go out, then I may have a few beers. If I'm on the road, no.

However, if someone is doing a 34hr restart, they're in a truckstop or wherever and not going to be moving, who cares if they have a beer or 2.

Along that same point, what if a driver parks his truck then walks to a bar, gets drunk and gets back in his sleeper and sleeps it off. WTF is the difference?

Your paraphrase is wrong. I modified the generator to meet DOT regulations:

1. I put a fuel pump on it.
2. I am hauling less than 8 gallons of gasoline, so I don't have to placard.


So why don't you enlighten me as to how I am not DOT compliant?

I see no difference as I see both as being unprofessional. It is accidents such as this one that shine the spotlight on the trucking industry. We are held to higher standards than the rest of the motoring public, as we should be.

How do you think the public would react if they found out that the night before, he had been at the bar drinking? It wouldn't matter if he wasn't drunk. The fact that we are held to a higher standard in the public eye outweighs everything else.

I got NEWS for ya, Jeff.... and no offense intended, but fatalities in truck involved accidents PALE in comparison to the number of deaths in an Airliner crash, and THEY are under the SAME rules WE are! The Federal Government has put down RULES and regulations for ALL forms of "transportation" industries in this country, and they are ALL pretty much the same. Truckers are nothing "special" in this mix!

Now, once again for those on the short bus.... the Feds have a zero tolerance for alcohol in the sytem of a driver/pilot/conductor who is OPERATING his vehicle..... but, they "allow" for the fact that alcohol is a LEGAL drug of choice, and they cannot control ALL of your "off duty" time! Period!

Those who cannot be "professional" about their jobs, and "maintain" themselves while off duty, are a danger. That is what the "testing" regs are for!

Reasonable suspicion, probable cause, post accident tests, pre-employment tests, 4 hour prior to duty regs, less than .02 in the system.... ALL of these regs are designed to protect the public AND the industry from those who would abuse their rights..... but, WITHOUT infringing on the rights of citizens who happen to work in the transportation industry to partake of a LEGAL SUBSTANCE! Prohibition was REPEALED many years ago!

Society, and Regulators have decided that these regs are strict enough, IF followed! Who are YOU or any other prude on this board to supercede the consensus of the "professionals" who are tasked with transportation safety?

Where were you when drivers ate "bennies" like candy so they could drive 20 hours a day? How about caffeine abuse to keep one "wired" enough to drive all night? The only reason there were not more deaths on the roads back then, is that there was less TRAFFIC! Fewer stupid 4wheelers in a hurry to get somewhere!

I'm ALL for safety on the roads, and "professionalism" in drivers. But, I'll be damned if I'll let a few prudes tell me I have no rights as a citizen when off duty, JUST because I drive a TRUCK! I LOVE driving a truck, but I'd RATHER be flying a plane! Either way, the regs are the regs! And YOU need to "deal with it!" :roll:

I'm not saying that the regs protect "certified" alcoholics or drunks" as drivers! I'm NOT saying that these people have any business BEING in our industry! I'm just saying that, whether YOU like it or not, a driver has a right to pursue "activities of his own choosing" (per the regs) on his OWN time! If he abuses that RIGHT, he should be punished severely for it, and I hope he is caught before he causes an accident. But, I stop short of superceding the REGS concerning this issue, as I am NOT for a totalitarian form of government that controls every aspect of its citizens lives!

What was that thread recently.... How many hours have you driven with NO SLEEP? THAT happens EVERY day, by thousands if not more drivers! Compared to what, maybe 1% of all drivers with even a TRACE of alcohol in their system? Where are your priorities? :shock: :roll:

Drowsy drivers, both 4wheeler AND truckers, kill more people each year than DUI drivers of trucks! WHY, you might ask? Because there are REGS that control us, and MOST of us are professional enough to follow the regs! By that I mean that MOST drivers will obey the alcohol regs before and above their "professional" adherence to the HOS! :roll:

If you want to talk about "professionalism," let's start with the HOS! THAT has been the "culprit" in about 99% of all fatal accidents I've heard of since I started trucking! When you clean up THAT mess, you can talk to me about having a few beers at the Outback on my OFF DUTY time! :roll:

Scenario:

You are shit-faced drunk and passed out in your sleeper after about 18 beers, at some filthy truckstop.

All of a sudden, people are banging on the sides of your sleeper yelling to wake up. You woozily are able to comprehend that a rig behind you rolled free and a person is trapped between your trailer and the other trailer. The driver of the other rig can not be found. Your rig will HAVE to be moved for this person to survive.

This person's life can only be saved if you operate your CMV while intoxicated. But do you really have any choice? What do you do then. If you pop the brake and roll back a bit before going further and it is later found that your are intoxicated. You are in deep deep shit.

And only 30 seconds ago you were just sleeping it off in your sleeper on line 2. or 1...................or 5 :wink:

The Driver that died in Stan's Post wasn't drinking. So Who cares about being on a 34 and enjoying a cold one. The stupid girl who killed the truck driver is who all of you should be pissed at..not each other over sibling rivalry.

That 4 hour prior advice is B.S. Hobo. We all know that.

If say one were to play 18 holes averaging 1-2 drinks per hole. There is no way in hell that 4 hours is enough time to be sober?

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WTF does this have to do with the accident that this thread was started about? Is it that freakin impossible to stay on topic?

Reb, you should know by now when someone posts something about an accident BigD, Rev, or Belpre got to bring alcohol into the subject just to bring GolfHobo in and get the topic way off track and get it locked.

I know. I'm just sick of it. :cry:

Same here

Oh give it up already. I'm getting really sick of this whole Rev vs. golfhobo shit. :roll:

Just drop it.

Take a chill pill and cool your jets..... :roll: :roll:

As am I. Rebel Darlin likes to sneak over to the boy's sandbox, hide their toys, and then sneak away and watch 'em fight.:twisted:

Lolita. :lol:

Hide them? Nope, I just steal them while they're busy with the latest pi$$ing match. :twisted:

That you enjoy to no end, :twisted:

The toys??? You bet, boys always had better toys to play with, I was NEVER a Barbie girl. 8)

OK, here's my thoughts on everything happening in this thread.

As far as the accident goes, give the chick the chair for all I care. Her blatant disregard for a driver that she killed makes her worth about as much as camel spit. Screw her, the world would be better off if she was worm food.

Now that I have set policy on that little b!tch, let me set policy on the whole Hobo vs. the world things.

1. My personal opinion is that Hobo, Rev, and Big D, need to cool it a bit with the head-to-head. Admittedly, it is getting a little stale.

2. That said, however, they are not doing anything blatantly wrong for the most part. They are arguing about a specific regulation and its interpretation and while 2 of them are right and 1 of them is dead wrong, their ongoing discussion of it is not against board rules or policy. Yes, it might get heated, but as long as they keep it at least semi-civil, they are within their rights.

3. Regarding drinking the sleeper, no matter how you mis-interpret the regs, you cannot misinterpret just about EVERY companies policy of NO ALCOHOL IN THE TRUCK. If you think it's OK to have booze in the truck, you shouldn't be driving. If you are working for a company that thinks it's OK to have booze in the truck, you shouldn't be working for them. So, I am in agreement with Rev and Big D and it's a discussion that I specifically had with my safety director (who has been around for decades and knows the regs inside and out), so I know what the score is.

4. And finally, if you don't like the discussions between Hobo, Rev, and Big D, then ignore it. There's enough other people here that simply throw gas on the embers every time it cools down, causing it to flare right back up. I'm not sure what you would expect to see.

:roll:

In the end, enough from everybody. Hobo doesn't like Big D and Rev and they don't like him. Several people have taken sides and decide they don't like someone either. Frankly, I don't really care. If everybody around here was all cuddly and loving, I'd probably have to puke. I play it safe...I hate everybody.

:D

Variety is the spice of life. And on a messageboard, there's no truer statement.

Now, carry on.

Yeah, Reb! Put that in your pipe and smoke it. As I have said all along about these threads. JUST DON"T READ THEM.

Now go find another thread to incite............... :wink:

WAY TO GO TW!!!!!

I think they just do it to see who they can get a rise out of next!

Boys will be boys IMHO! :shock: :shock: :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol:

Not this boy.

It is the same story, again and again. People know that I will defend my position on something to the death, and they are all fine and dandy with that until someone who disagrees with me comes along and takes offense at the fact that I disagree with them. It's no different than the Steve Booth debacle of earlier this year, when folks like Ash la ca and ironeagle2006 got their panties in a bunch.

But as I stated in another thread (and via PM to golfhobo last night), out of respect (:roll:) for the people who are whining about all this, I am no longer going to mention or respond to any post by golfhobo, assuming he will do the same. Whether or not he will follow suit is questionable, since he feels that I am somehow responsible for anyone who attacks him or his posts. But, to use a phrase by floored, I am not responsible if he feels butthurt. Given his response to my PM, somehow I doubt this will be the end of it, because his feelings are hurt due to the people who are attacking his views regarding drinking in a CMV. But I will have no part of it anymore - so you can all go whine about someone else.

And golfhobo can blame someone else for people mocking him, and stop dragging my name into thread after thread, even when I don't post in that thread.

I tend to agree with you Belpre on that 4 hour thing, at least the way you are interpreting it. But, I don't really think they meant that so much as a 'cutoff' point. I believe the BAC levels are sufficient "advice" for when to stop, or what level of sobriety to be at. I think the 4 hour rule is more to tell people it is not okay to have your FIRST one or two with lunch or before leaving home to go to the job. Reason being, it takes awhile for the body to absorb the alcohol, and therefore one might not test over the .02 limit before starting work, but a few miles down the road, WOULD be over that limit. That's just my opinion. Any other interpretation of it just doesn't make much sense, as you noted.


I can tell you're no golfer! :lol:

It takes an average of 12-15 minutes to play each hole, and you have to make anywhere from 3 to 10 shots per hole (depending on your skill level.) How you gonna find time to chug 1- 2 beers in that time? :lol:

Or be able to play or walk after 18 holes!? :shock:

I don't drink while golfing, but those who do, probably don't drink more than a SIX in a 4 hour round, if that many. But, still..... 4 hours after a game, they would probably NOT be sober enough to drive a CMV.

I'd like to play you a round of golf sometime if you promise to drink 1-2 drinks per hole! I just MIGHT be able to beat ya! :lol:

Rev said:

I have never taken offense to the fact that you disagree with me. I take offense to your character assassinations and your attacks on my professionalism.

Sorry. I don't recall that episode. I guess it wasn't important to me.

Tacky, Rev...... very tacky. And I don't remember you using the word respect for ANYONE.

See..... and you were doing so well! But, then you have to QUESTION my "professionalism" yet again! You just can't let it go! I used the word "influence" NOT "responsible." But, like everything else.... you have a problem with definitions. I do not feel "butthurt." If anything, I would say the word was more "maligned."

Even MORE tacky! My feelings are in no way hurt by people who attack my views. I am incensed at people who attack my CHARACTER by assigning values to it based on their distorted assumptions of it based on their DIFFERING views! (or by YOUR influential posts.)

However, once I've had my say concerning THIS post, (as I'm sure you agree I have a right to,) I am AS capable as YOU in putting an end to it.

An admirable position, if you can maintain it. NOT one that you have been known for.

As if you haven't done the same. As I said in our PM (which you want to publicize) ..... show me some leadership, and for ONCE I will follow. ..... for the common good.

Learn to disagree with me without making personal attacks that assume I endorse DUI trucking, and I will drop any and all personal attacks on your deviant sexual preferences! :lol:

caveat: I will respond also to your last post on the DAC forum, and then, as far as I'm concerned, this episode is over...... at least between US. 8)

Wow - you lasted all of 3 days before you couldn't keep quiet anymore. That's 2 days more than I expected, but the response was exactly what I expected.

No, you won't. You don't need to respond to anything I post, and it's quite clear that you simply want to dredge it up again. Well, don't go whining and complaining when you get butthurt all over again. At least I tried. :roll:

As I stated in my PM, don't respond to anything I post, and I will do the same. Not, "don't respond to anything I post after you get the last word in and win the internet battle".

Just shut the fuck up already and walk away. Everyone is sick of it, including me.

Rev, if you had left YOUR post on this thread with the first paragraph, I might have responded with two words. Done deal.

But, you couldn't keep from digging further! So, I felt I had a RIGHT to respond with MY 2 cents.

Anyway you slice it, with a "challenge" like that to drop it..... I had a right to RESPOND.

WTF is YOUR problem? :roll:

Are you so narcissistic that you believe YOU must have the last word when it includes an insult?? :roll:

Regardless of what "I" did, it is now evident that YOU could not keep to YOUR word! But, that is no surprise, either! :roll:

Had I responded the first night, instead of thinking about it for a few days, YOU would have broken YOUR word even sooner! So..... what do you think? WHO is the one that is "obsessed?" :roll:

And btw...... that was a really RAPID response! Almost as if you'd been sitting at the puter just WAITING for it for the last 3 days or so! :shock: :lol:

But I didn't. Live with it.

You have no rights here.

You did. Via PM. My post was not directed at you.

Your inability to shut the fuck up.

If it is true, it isn't an insult.

Blah blah blah. Same old same old. Your feewings got hurted. Poor baby.

You - you came back to it after 4 days, instead of letting sleeping dogs lie. It was a wonderful 4 days too. So quiet. So serene. Then you ruined it yet again.

Yeah, because you know damn well that I'm never on CAD. :roll: