A Black President??
 

Is the United State mature enough to either elect or not elect a black man on issues alone and not race!!

I am sure there will be alot of blacks that will vote for Barack because he is black and on the flip side there will be alot of whites that will not vote for him because he is black!

Or is John McCain just a better choice?

I don't care if someone is purple with pink pokadots, as long as they do something to get this country turned around. Anyone who will vote for someone based on race is a fool!!!

Bush has done a fine job running this country into the ground and whomever takes over has one heck of a challenge and headache ahead of them. Why on earth someone would want the job is beyond me.

Honestly I don't know, I'd much rather have Obama as President cause McCain is talking about staying in Iraq for like 5-10 more years and I'm against that 100%! Don't get me wrong would McCain make a good President? Sure he may but I think Obama will do more to make America what it use to be and once was. In my opinion Obama reminds of alot like JFK and Lincoln but race shouldn't have a damn thing to do with people's decision on voting but that is the way things are so just got to get use to it! But I'm sure he'll win the White House cause I think America is ready for change even if they have to vote for Obama!

My ex was gonna vote for hillary just cuz she is a woman.

That's why we "voted change" two years ago. Look at what it's gotten us. Why on earth Obama decided on using "Change" as a slogan is beyond me. I guess he is counting on the American voting public to have a 15 second attention span.

Personally, I'm still waiting for the Democrats to fulfill their 2006 promise to fix the fuel prices. I guess when they said they would "fix the fuel prices", they meant they would let them double in two years and sit idly by and do nothing.

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Double L do not get McCain wrong in his intention. When the war in Iraq is won it is his intention to remain in Iraq as a presense, much like our presence in Japan/Germany etc. The time frames that he was mentioning was not in war or conflict.

Obama reminds me nothing of JFK or Lincoln. JFK by todays standards would be a moderate Democrat or he would have changed parties as a Moderate Republican. Lincoln was a Republican. But...Obama reminds me much more like Carter. Argueably the worst President in United States history. Obama is an extreme Left wing Liberal, non constitutionalist, and will turn our country into a Socialist state or near Socialist....some have compared him to a Marxist.
The country is definitly ready for a Black President or a Women President. Just NOT Obama or Clinton.
McCain is not necessarily the best choice as President either, but what do we have.
Both the Republican and Democrat Parties have strayed so far from their core principles they resemble nothing of what they once were.

What is Obama expecting to change the country into? (possible reitorical question)

I agree that this country needs change, however how can someone with NO experience pull that off?

Obama has been campaigning for President since he was elected to the Senate. His voting record is almost non-existent. And this is his 1st term as a senator. I don't know who is backing him as the poster child for change, but it has nothing to do with his experience. He has no experience and no real platform.

First of all the war in Iraq cannot be won no matter how long or short we stay there. They HATE AMERICA and as long as we are ther they will fight. My son just recently got out of the Marines (2 tours over there) and just based on comunicating with him for 14 months while he was there my opinion is we see enough good propaganda on american tv that to keep us happy. But here in the states the media is handcuffed and cant show the bad. Talk to those that have been there. Dont get me wrong the war has improved things for some Iraqi people(schools , buisnesses and the like) but politically they will never live with a full democratic government That said McCain may very well make a good president in my opinion, but he a Republican and look what they have done to this country. Democrats want to make money just like the republicans but they want everyone to make money, republicans are all about the rich getting richer. The sad thing is McCain will win because this is the United States and theres no way a black man or a woman or both on the same ticket will be elected and thats sad because it will be soley based on the color of his skin. I will vote for Obama because i think we need the changes he talks about. Just a thought , Be safe BJS

My issue is not black or white, man or woman, nor young or old!

But can my house hold or my country continue to substain in the direction that we are headed!

Obama might be a young senator but McCain has admitted that the economy is not his strong point! He is a military man that has old ideals!

A grumpy old man that wants to fight the world on our dime and hard work!!!

How true, I wouldn't vote for Obama or Clinton for one issue. Gun Control. Obama and Clinton have long anti-gun records and quite frankly I'm one of those "bitter" people who clings to guns. aka I practice my constitutional right to bear arms. These two must never see the oval office if America still values it's civil liberties.

I think Obmam uses the race card, just like others have done in the past. He uses it to his advantage, when necessary. And him saying that attacks on his wife are off limits. Oh,please!!! Then get out of politics. :roll:

That's a great thing for a "future first lady" to say. And if she becomes the first lady, all of a sudden she'll start saying how great this country is. Our country's leaders are suppose to set examples for us and for those around the world. What are these two saying about our country?

Which guns do you need? AK47? Mac-10? M-16?

Are you one of those folks, who will insist that those are "sportsmen's" guns? If so..... :roll: :roll: :roll:

If you are a hunter...then why would you feel the need to own a gun meant for only one thing...mass murder?

I am a hunter...a .270, a 30.06, a .7mm, a .303, or even a 22-250 work great for long shot's. I like a 357 with a 9" barrel, as a pistol...Ruger Blackhawk. Am I concerned that any or all of those guns will be "otlawed"?? No.

As for the rest..give em back to the military....which was what their original intent was.

And if your argument is that you need one of those "Killer" guns for self-protection....I would ask...Why?


I believe in the individual's right to keep and bear arms.....but I don't believe that any individual needs to keep an arsenal that includes fully automatic weapons that are designed specificly for killing "Human" prey.

If you want to proclaim yourself a "collector"...then...collect guns worth collecting...say...a Sharps .50 caliber...1872 model...or a Colt .45 caliber..1860 model. I have a best friend...whom has the rifles and pistols that his great-great-great grandparents carried, when they migrated from New England to Montana....in 1823. Shotting an original "black powder" gun is an incredible experience. Far better than a "reproduction" model...and by the way....the "original" black powder weapons, are what the Constitution allows you to "keep & bear".
I seriously doubt that the fine men, whom wrote that important document, ever dreamed that one day there would be guns that a man could hold in his hand...and use to kill 100 people in seconds, instead of in days. I'm just not buying that argument.

As for having weapons on hand, to beat down a rebellion by our military....give me a break...not gonna happen.

On the orginal posted question....Obama would be a better choice (in my opinion) than McClain..and Hillary would be a better choice than Obama (again..in my opinion).

Is the country, as a whole prepared to elect and support a "black" president? If it isn't now......then it won't ever be.

Is Obama ready to run this country? I seriously do not know. Given the comments I hear from so many "African-Americans" and what they expect him to do for them...I would say no.

With a statement like that "Given the comments I hear from so many "African Americans" and what they expect him to do for them" I doubt that you really even know and black americans!

All the blacks that I know, want the same thing most other Americans want (As a Nation for us to go in a different direction)!

Let's try something new and refreshing! We have had eight years of old grumpy men running the country, I sure hope we do have four more!

Let's give some new refreshing/young ideals a try!!

New and Refreshing...Like what???

The United States doesnt need "new and refreshing". It needs a good slap in the face for steering away from its core values. Oh...what are those core values...that would be the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, which our Government has so successfully steered us away from, We need a Government (or less of) that will steer the United States back in that direction. That is the only change we need.

Obama's proposed "changes" have been tried and proven ineffective and dangerous to this nation in the past. I won't vote for him simply because I think he is wrong on the issues and a danger to the security of this nations. There are several black men/women whom I respect and if they ran I would vote for them. Obama is not one of them.

Oh and as for being in Iraq for 5-10 more years. We probably will be but then it will be settled and done. If we leave now we will be back in 5-10 years starting all over again. We HAVE to stay and finish the job correctly. we are so close. So very close. To pull out now would undo it all.

If Michael Steele or JC Watts were running for President, they would get my vote. Hussein Obama is by far the most left wing, radical, ambition minded, dangerous candidate we have ever had run for President. You think fuel prices are high now? Just wait and see what happens when he taxes the "windfall profits" of the oil companies.

McCain is spineless, not conservative at all and buys into the global warming hoax.

I wouldn't call McCain spineless but I don't think he is as right wing conservative as some would like. More middle of the road than most politicians. Like most people in this Nation are. I think we need someone who is less left or right and more middle.

Global warming is a bunch of crap though. Heck when I was in school they warned us about the coming ice age. :roll: ( No age jokes thank you very much :wink: )

Middle = spineless. This global warming farce that is being propagandized by the media and the marxist environmental lobby is the greatest single threat to our economy. McCain drank the kool-aid.

And I especially don't like the way McCain is more willing to buddy up with his leftist pals than his conservative base.

I don't trust BIPOLAR people and I especially don't trust BIPARTISAN people!

NO!!!

And, since when is economy Bush's strong point? Who's kidding who? There are locations in Indianapolis that I used to deliver to five and six years ago. At the time, they were going GANGBUSTERS and expanding in order to handle the volume of business they had. Now, in the same areas, I'm seeing "REAL-ESTATE AUCTION" signs, and guess what's going up to the highest bidder? Those same locations that are now empty. They've gone out of business.

I've also seen something else I've only seen in pictures before. Look at some of the old pictures of the GREAT DEPRESSION, with cars, pickups, and pulling trailers with all their belongings loaded up. That's what I've seen on occasion over the last few months, only the vehicles were much newer. No, I have not seen the volume of it that I read about during the GREAT DEPRESSION, but is that previews of coming attractions? Is it going to get worse before it gets better?

We're seeing trucking companies shutting down. In the past, companies were being sold out. Now, no one is buying them. They are simply going out of business. And, look at the used truck lots. I've gone by new housing developements that have BILLBOARDS saying: "60% OFF ON OVER-STOCK HOUSING. The developers are trying to "dump" them just to get out from under the property tax because they aren't selling. What should have been a GOLD-MINE has become an expensive liability. A few months ago, a customer I delivered to, gave me a clue to look for. If a home is going up for forclosure, the grass should be cut and has not been. As you go around the country, look at the front yards you pass and see how many haven't been mowed in a while, and in what areas you see them.

And, when Clinton and Obama were both campaigning, they BOTH were talking about RAISING TAXES on an already OVER-BURDENED society. McCaan was the only one I heard that did not say he was going to raise taxes. Although I have often wondered how he planned to take care of the deficit Bush is going to leave behind. The fact that Obama is new and has virtually no record suggests that he's a "DARK HORSE". We really don't know what he will do.

While Ron Paul does have some support, I really don't think he has enough to get the Republican Nomination that he wants. But, something to keep in mind... "NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS". There are a lot of people that are elligable to vote, and do not. That is "NO NEWS". Things have gone far enough and have gotten bad enough that we NEED to send them a "NO CONFIDENCE VOTE". We need many more people to go to the polls and vote for a "complete unknown". Then, when the news media catches up with that person, he/she gets a national voice to talk about issues that NONE of the current candidates are addressing. A voice to talk about ambiguous numbers that make it convenient for anyone in government to say we're doing well when we are not. That person does NOT have to win the election in order to succeed.

A letter writing campaign can be ignored. Letters, and U S MAIL are private. Unless the official chooses to make them public, no one knows how many people wrote letters, and which side they were on. But votes are a public matter, and can not be swept under any rug. At this point, that is the only way I see any kind of real change coming.

I think it was last year I found out that Bush is a "RECOVERING ALCOHOLIC". Well, Winston Churchill drank a fifth of scotch every night. So, I don't really know if that's a strike against Bush or if it has anything to do with which way the country is going, but it does make me wonder. A bit odd that during one president's administration, we first open up the Mexican Boarder, then decide to build a wall to keep them out.

Has anyone seen the list of benefits that foreign nationals get when they come here? Our government needs to make a commitment to AMERICANS first. Our tax dollars need to go toward helping AMERICANS BEFORE they go to foreign nationals. In America, AMERICANS need to get a PRIORITY. How about setting up AMERICANS with gas stations and motels? And, why can't I understand the person on the other end of the line when I call about my credit card?????

And then, it really gets laughable. There was a bill before congress, last week I think, that had support from both sides of the floor. It did not pass... Because the Democrats and Republicans began arguing about just who was more sympathetic to the public about gasoline prices.

"Oh, gee whiz, we're so very sorry about the price of oil, now would you turn around, bend over, and spread 'em?"

I agree. McCain has a long time constituency that includes both sides. This is something that becomes very important to the President, since he can't accomplish anything if he has no support in the legislature.

Obama hasn't had time to build any kind of support group in the Senate because he hasn't spent any time there. He can talk all he wants about making changes, but his hands will be tied if the legislature isn't behind him.

I think too many people mistakenly believe that one person in one office can change everything. NOT TRUE!

I still want to know who is behind Obama's candidacy. I've lived in Chicago all my life and NO ONE ever heard of him until he ran for the Senate 2 years ago. He wasn't involved in politics at all. He was/is an attorney with some questionable clients. And the people he has been associated with, like Rev. Wright, are even more questionable. Add to that the fact that he now wants to distance himself from the hate spewing Rev. and claims to not have known the Rev.s views, is a bald faced lie. A political ass-covering. You don't attend the mans church for 20 years and NOT know what he stands for.

Sorry I don't trust him and believe he will be a puppet for whatever machine is behind this.

Just my 2cents, but I still like Ron Paul. Maybe he would be a good third party candidate. I feel like it would do a world of good to get a third party candidate elected. Just to break the monopoly.

Middle means that you can take a stand on each issue and not goosestep to some party line. That to me takes guts. I know that for myself there are issues I'm quite conservative on some I am quite liberal on and some and very middle of the road on. That is how the US works. No one falls into one side or the other unless they are an extremist and in my opinion extreme on any topic is dangerous.

RD: I wonder where he came from too. The fact that the muslim extremist of the world are so support of him says volumes though.....

Do you know which two countries in Europe have not been invaded in Centuries and their governments have been the most stable.....
Sweden and Switzerland and guess what they have in common.

I will never forget watching a group of Swiss boy scouts going to rifle practice with their assault rifles ( yes you heard me right) almost every household has one.

Read your English history and you will understand why the founding fathers put in the second amendment and what it really means. The english monarchy was very selective in whom they allowed weapons.

An unarmed populace is easier to control than an armed one.

Those Korean shop owners in LA demonstrated why an assault rifle or semi automatic rifle an excellent weapon is for self defence, when the government failed to protect their property and lives. Single shot bolt actions arent very good at keeping a crowd at bay that wants to kill you,your family,and destroy everything youve worked for.

Katrina also comes to mind, civilization can break down at any time for various reasons. Firearms are tools, its all about how and to what purpose they are put to use.

The first thing that Stalin and Hitler did under the pretense of making things safer was to disarm the populace, sure made rounding up the trouble makers easier and ensuring easy passage of new laws. Or CHANGE as certain politicians are so loudly touting nowadays.

The Yugoslavs demonstrated what an armed populace could do by tying up 10 German divisions which had to occupy the country and never really did control it. Tito also had quite a bit of autonomy from the Russians.

I will not trust a politician or government that does not trust me.

And the voting records of Clinton and Obama are all I need to know....

The Second Amendment guarantees all the others!!!!!

..the right of the people to keep and bear arms(does not say which ones)(knives,bows and arrows,muskets) shall not be infringed.


Personally I wish Hermain Cain had been nominated better than all the candidates who were in the running.

Ahh the lessons of history...

Good Post CT77.

He won't be any worse than what we have now, and a whole lot better than Billary would have been.

But Obama isn't a real Black--- he's Cafe' Laute

Oh, hell.. another one of these, "[MY guns are benign, but YOURS are horrible" types :roll:

The 7.62x63 (.30-06) cartridge was designed for the military after the Spanish-American war proved the 7x57 Mauser cartridge to be far superior to the .30 Krag cartridge in US service service that the time. Therefore, your "harmless" .30-06 was designed for the exact same purpose as all these 'evil' cartridges you speak of.

Another military cartridge, and one which can be commonly found in use as a military caliber in much of the world, particularly in Commonwealth nations and former British colonies. And, as far as I can recall, no commercial rifles were ever manufactured for this cartridge, so I'm guessing you fire it with either a SMLE or P14 Enfield rifle (unless you're a Class III collector, in which case you might have a Vickers-Maxim, BREN, or Vickers-Berthier, although I doubt this, given your "sky is falling" statements earlier in your post). So, not only a military cartridge, but a military rifle, as well, designed for the military. So, if you expect me to return any of my weapons to the military, then you can lead the way by turning your Enfield(s) in to the Ministry of Defence.

Another cartridge designed for use against people, developed when police officers complained that the .38 Special was ineffective.

Aside from some old C&R rifles (the type you find so benign), none of the guns I own ever belonged to any military force in the first place. And you may be aware that military rifles and civilian semi-automatics do not have the same method of operation - one firing mode, as opposed to two or three found on a military rifle.

Are you questioning the need for self-protection in general? If so, perhaps you should live in the project neighbourhood in Durham where I had the 'pleasure' of residing from 02 - 03.
If you're referring to weapons types, then come off of your high horse, because nothing you own is any less capable of killing a person than anything anyone else owns.

First off, the sale of selective fire weapons to the general public was banned in 1934.. to own a full auto weapon now, you need a Class III license. Second off, as for the 'killing human prey' bit, read above. Most firearms were originally developed as, or were further developed from, weapons designed for the military. Any bolt action rifle you possess uses a bolt action derived from a military design. So stop this bullshit about how your guns were designed for hunters and ours were designed for massacres at the local orphanage :roll:

Really? Because I read "arms". I don't recall any clause saying only a rifle manufactured before June of 1794 is benign, whereas any rifle manufactured after that date is prohibited, unless it has a certain number of US made parts, or anything of that sort.

Hundreds of people in seconds? A bit overzealous, wouldn't you say?
Considering the nature of the people who wrote the Bill of Rights (the actual document which the Second Amendment is featured on, not the Constitution), the people who wrote it were well-educated individuals, who certainly could have been expected to have the foresight to realise that technological advancements were going to be made in future years. If you want to answer the question of how far they expected those advances to come, you'll have to hold a seance and raise their spirits from the grave.


That being said, as for the candidates, I really don't know. I can't vote in this election, so it really makes no difference for me. The plummeting economy, devaluation of the Dollar, rise in oil costs, and the questionable and controversial nature of the usage of companies such as Blackwater International - not only in combat zones, but in New Orleans, as well - most certainly does not shed a good light on the Republicans. But then, what do the Democrats really have going for them?All of their 'solutions' seem to amount to mere scapegoating and finger pointing, to find an easy out, rather than to undergo the arduous task of finding real solutions which deliver real results to real problems. What next? Will they ban hood ornaments on cars, and expect it to solve problems with traffic congestion?

As for Obama playing the race card, I would have to question that. The black population seemed to be more behind Clinton than Obama, and some organizations even seemed to denounce Obama, such as the statement from NAACP leaders that "Bill Clinton is every bit as black as Barak Obama", and so forth.

But I really hate discussing politics here, because it's been my experience that people expect to win debates simply by crying out "socialist", "fascist", "nazi", or some other crap, rather than to actually take the time to learn something about the political process, and form an opinion based on actual fact, rather than false assumptions about political systems they lack even a basic understanding of. You express a desire for cleaner air and water, and you're suddenly a socialist. You say you want illegals deported, and you're suddenly a fascist. I can't remember who it was on this forum, but he doesn't post here anymore.. he used to always bitch and complain that everything was somehow socialist. If you drove a fuel efficient car, it was a "socialist mobile", and a bunch of other crap. Oh, yeah, and he had this bizarre idea that he understood politics simply because he had served in the military - another bizarre phenomenon I've never seen elsewhere. "Well, I've never studied politics in my life, and I still incorrectly refer to America as a Democracy, but I did four years in the military, so I'm well qualified to comment on the political situation of countries I've never even heard of" :roll:

`I don't have the link anymore, but I recently read that Obama may not be qualified to be President. He may not have fulfilled the 10 year residency requirement, with 5 years in the US after the age of 16. He has not released his birth records to show that he is qualified.

McCain, on the other hand, has released his records, and has met the requirements, even though, he was born in Panama.

That's just an internet rumor...
Who knows where some of these rumors get started? :?

One thing I'd worry more about is...

When Obama gets elected President...
he intends to enslave the White race. :P

I think we just care about his changing proposal.

We're already enslaved to the out of control welfare system!

Laughing!!! Enslave the White Race?? Where do you all find this foolishness??

If I actually felt that way, I would be to embrassed to let anyone know!

And as far as Welfare goes, there are just as many people on the high end of society taking hand out from the government as there are on the lower end. It is Subsidized instead of Welfare.

Do you need an Ak 47 or an AR 15, etc to go hunting? No you don't, then again you do not even really need a gun at all do you. You can hunt with a bow or a spear.

IMHO the real issue of gun control and banning this type or that type of gun is where do you draw the line.

The 2nd amendment was placed into the constitution for two reasons. The first is because a well armed population is less likely to be successfully invaded and secondly is because the government is, theoretically, less likely to take advantage of the citizenship.

I have no issues of race or gender on who the president is, but I do not think Obama is what this country needs. McCain on the other hand is not what we need either. Regardless of who wins this nation is in for even rougher times than what we have now. The only difference is what form those times will take.

tomasz--RebelDarlin--pigrider

I was trying to be funny. (but take it serious if you'd like) :?

I pointed out an internet rumor...and how they get started.
The the humor was starting my own rumor...
about Obama intending to enslave the White race, once he becomes President. :?

Obama has a white mother yet he rarely mentions her. He does speak about his racist white grandmother. He does seem to have a hatred for white people in some of his rhetoric.

My main problem with Obama is that I think that he wants to take this country down the wrong path. While he is considered charismatic, so was Hitler. From what I have read he has never held a real job in his life. It is difficult to relate to people who struggle from paycheck to paycheck when you have never been there yourself. I don't care much for McCain, either. I think he is too liberal for the country. We need a strong, moral leader who puts the country first rather than his party or personal agenda. We need a leader who does the right thing regardless of his personal views and isn't afraid of bucking the system. I don't think this is Obama. He talks about change, but doesn't list any of the changes he wants to make. People rally around him because of his charisma, yet have no idea of where he stands on key issues. I have spoken to several people who have voted for him in the primary. They all talk about change, but can't tell me a single thing he wants to change. Change for the sake of change isn't necessarily good. I don't trust him.

Well I don't pick up his hatred of whites is his message. He was raised by his white side of his family!

Yeah, he talks about his father more than he talks about his mother! That is not race base, we all do that! Maybe he has more respect for his father than his mother. Look at Tim Russert, he always talked about Big Russ and his son, you hardly ever here him speak of his mom.

An as far as his ability to give great speeches. What is wrong with being empowered/inspired for a change instead of fear politics!

People keep saying Hilter gave great speeches, so did Ronald Reagan, and he became one of our best Presidents! On the other hand look at our current President he is SLD (specific language disorder) or dyslexia! And by far he will go down in history as one of the worst Presidents in history!

Most successful Fortune 500 companies try to empower/inspire their employees

*GASP* :shock:

You mean that's not true? :wink:

Sorry, Jimmy Carter has a lock on that and there is no more room at the inn. He and his entourage booked that hotel solid for eternity.

As far as Obama goes, Pigrider, he might be the bees knees to you, but a lot of people have him figured out and more are doing so every day as the shellac begins to flake off of him. The guy is a snake in the grass and it's my hope that we don't get the chance to find out just how nasty he is.

I agree with G-Man that McCain is too liberal and I originally had no intention of voting for him at all, preferring to do a write-in. But the more of Obama that is exposed, the more I am definitely voting for McCain...anything to keep Obama out of office.

Well I guess neither party has anything to offer this term! I consider myself an independent! But I like Obama alot more than McCain!!

I actually agree with that statement. A lot of people are calling McCain, McSame. But you know something? I'll take more of the same as opposed to the potential abyss that Obama will likely plunge us into.