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But because of that stupid move, the guy that took the flag could have done any number of things that would have been much more visible and much more effective. Call a news crew, write an editorial, take pictures and circulate them, contact the police (they have to uphold the law and the flag was flying against said law). Hell, he could have had a couple friends help him rig up a wooden pole that was TALLER and flown an American flag from it. Get the news down there to film that...I guarantee you that would have been all over the national news. Problem is, the guy simply went about it wrong and let a golden opportunity to really make a statement, get away. Quote:
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Flag burning is, as you point out, and as I have stated, a constitutionaly protected exercise...... ......that does NOT mean that you are at liberty to take an American flag, or a flag from any other country THAT BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE and burn it!! This is not an issue of political correctness; is is a simple matter of theft and conversion of property, regardless of how honorable the man's intentions may have been. Look, as Twilight Flyer so correctly stated, the sight of an "Obama for President" campaign sing may offend him.....and, if he wants to legally obtain an "Obama For President" sign and burn it or throw it away, he is clearly within his rights to do so. ......But if he comes to my front yard and removes my "Obama" sign, then regardless of how red his Republican blood may be, he's still violating the law. |
Useless.... I understand what you are saying. I essentially agree. Maybe "restitution" would be in order..... but a criminal charge over an issue like this? Sorry, I think that some thought realignment is in order. Crap like this when it ends up going like this will cause far more damage than good. It will create far more tension and strife than its worth....nobody wins. It should have been prevented by the school's administration saying NO to begin with.
Or....the Mexican flag should have properly been flow with the US flag in place properly positioned, and both flags brought down at sundown. Then its a "non-issue". I am far from a "neo-con", but then again.... I'm not a liberal either, at least not in the conventional sense. I'm an American Citizen....and dammit, this is my country, it has rules and laws about when, where, and how "foreign" flags are to be flown. I can tell you .....I WOULD NOT HAVE HESITATED TO DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING...AND IT WOULDN'T TAKE BUT A MINUTE TO DO IT!! And trust me when I say this.....someone else's butt would be in the sling over it. If you went to the link and read the posts in the forum containing comments about the article....you would find that overwhelmingly... other "hispanics" agree with what the fellow did. In fact....some of the hispanic poster's made the point that "if you want to fly a Mexican flag..... go to Mexico". I guess you could call me a "xenophobic nationalist" who is married to a US born wife of "Spanish - Mexican - Lithuanian" extraction :shock: who would tell you the same thing. She is an AMERICAN first and foremost. She like I, believes that to desecrate the American Flag....is treasonous and a serious crime. The "Supreme Court" had its "cranium in rectal defilade" when they made that ruling.....it was a direct slap in the face to every Veteran who ever served, and a mockery of those who have given their lives to defend that very flag, and what it represents. Yes.... I believe the flag is "sacred". I also believe that if you don't love this country....its time to find another place to live. It is one thing to be an American and have a problem with something, yet still be willing to help make changes, but to be an American or a foreigner here and be anti-American....is wrong. I honestly am happy that I have never been present when someone has been stupid enough to burn the American Flag..... I know I would be in prison for doing serious damage to the individual.....or setting him on fire. |
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I agree with most everything that you said. Does this rise to the level of an act that warrants criminal prosecution?? Actually, I have some mixed feelings here. On one hand, tying up the time and resources of law enforcement and the courts, I would say not. Speaking as a Democrat who lives in a very conservative, Republican dominated community, and speaking as someone who has repeatedly had campaign signs stolen from my front yard?? I do resent someone thinking that they have some god-given right to trespass my property and steal a sign that serves my right to political expression. This was a case where some students were celebrating Mexico's Day of Independence. There are many countries who honor The United State's Declaration of Independence. In Belize, for example, July 4th is a National Holiday. Should the Mexican Flag have been flown without The U.S. Flag?? Methinks it was tacky and disrespectful, and I'm not one who gets too emmersed in flag waving patriotism. As i stated in my initial response, had the student rallied like-minded thinkers to protest the flying of the flag of Mexico by itself, I would have supported that, and he would have made a much more effective statement. Had the student rallied like-minded thinkers, lowered the Mexican Flag as an act of civil disobedience, then returned it to the administration?? Remeber, UNM is a tax supported entity. I would support that.... What is the difference between a protester lowering the Mexican flag at UNM, and a Republican who steals a campaign sign out of my yard?? UNM, as I stated, is a public, tax supported entity. My front yard id not....it belongs to me. But if we get to the point where we feel justified in confiscating other people's or organizations property, then disposing of it or destroying it simply because we disagree with them, then we betray the very constitution that we claim we are trying to protect. When we do that, we all lose. |
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And since your so fond of calling me a raciest, I'll leave you with this. Had a Mexican-American, or any other race other than white, taken the flag down, and kept it as their own, no-one would have cared. This is only a issue because the guy who took it down was white, and a US veteran. And I'm the bigot. Yea, right. I am for Americans. We come from many countries, with many cultures, religions, and races..... However, we are ALL represented by one flag. Here is where I stand. Where do you stand? :evil: |
This is interesting!!!
I think that the Dude getting a lawyer and taking it to jury trial is awesome to say the least. He did what was right. He brought to the attention of the "University", a state school, the fact that flying the "Mexican Federal Flag", without the presence of the "Flag of the United tates of America" was disrespectful and unlawful. To support that...I found these two items. http://www.senate.gov/reference/reso...df/RL30243.pdf Out of that articale: (c) No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America, except during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea, when the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for the personnel of the Navy. No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to or in place of the flag of the United States or any Territory or possession thereof: Provided, That nothing in this section shall make unlawful the continuance of the practice heretofore followed of displaying the flag of the United Nations in a position of superior prominence or honor, and other national flags in positions of equal prominence or honor, with that of the flag of the United States at the headquarters of the United Nations. That same paragraph can also be found in this Executive order"; http://www.wi.net/flag.html Sec. 8. Any rule or custom pertaining to the display of the flag of the United States of America, set forth herein, may be altered, modified, or repealed, or additional rules with respect thereto may be prescribed, by the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, whenever he deems it to be appropriate or desirable; and any such alteration or additional rule shall be set forth in a proclamation. No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof; Provided, That nothing in this section shall make unlawful the continuance of the practice heretofore followed of displaying the flag of the United Nations in a position of superior prominence or honor, and other national flags in positions of equal prominence or honor, with that of the flag of the United States at the headquarters of the United Nations. If any of those students have a problem with any of this, they can move to Mexico...but they won't like living there...especially if they get into trouble with the law down there. LOL...send those Mexican laws Homealone posted to the university and it's students. |
I can't say I blame the guy for what he did because I verywell may have done the same thing in my younger days. The thing is, you can't take the law into your own hands ( with the exception of the threat of harm or loss of life ). The bset thing he could have done was to contact the media and local law enforcement. Put the school in the "Hot Seat".
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The guy was acting in according to the laws of the land. Period. Who's property the flag belonged to is irrelevant. The flag was flying illegally, and he notified the proper personal (the dean of UNM) His REFUSAL to follow the LAW in according to the passage above lead the guy to correct the problem. He is a law biding American. And so are many who agree that the flag should have NEVER been flown incorrectly and illegally. The rest of you.......well, since you like Mexico so much....... :twisted: |
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