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usedup said:
OK, I'll bite......These are my crib note views only as I don't want to start any hate and disconnect. GUNS... I feel any "qualified" citizen should be allowed to conceal carry if they feel the need. The police can not protect you, they can only fill out the reports after the fact. I hope I never need one... **** My response here was somehow "LOST" Hmmm.... could be a government conspiracy or something! :lol: ******* But, in essense, I don't have a problem with CCW laws. But, they are neither the solution to the crime problem, NOR an excuse to continue making high powered automatic weapons available to anyone who is alt least smart enough to "cheat a logbook!" :lol: MORAL DECAY...Morals started going down the tubes when people started thinking more about ME instead of WE or US...... Again, I must agree. The ME generation, inspired and motivated by the advertising and media, and "confirmed" by the ignorant "sheep" who bought into this and drove the economy and society, has turned out to be a "bust!" Unfortunately, it will take at least two more generations of ignorant Amricans to realize it. By then, the damage will have been done! JIHAD... Understand this.. These people want to kill you because you are different, Jewish, American, White, or whatever. They are taught to hate from an early age. Very similar to the NAZIS of the 30s and 40s. Here, I must differ with you. First of all, the Nazi party came into power more or less, all of a sudden. They DID start teaching their young to follow in their footsteps, but their young NEVER had a chance to "mature" in government, as Hitler's party LOST the BIG WAR! But, be careful, as I believe MANY of them are still alive and well among US!! Secondly, the "Maddrassa's of TODAY are teaching this hatred and "martyrdom" to their youth, but it was not SO, only a decade or so ago! Today, they are using these "schools" to recruit Jihadists to fight in a war that WE have started. "These people" as you say, do not represent the majority of the Islamic World! However, these "fundamentalists" DO want to kill us, but they DO discriminate in a fashion. They first hate Jews. And secondly hate Americans for supporting the Jews. And thirdly, they feel their sacrifice is necessary to LIBERATE their homeland from the oppression of the "western culture and military." We, as a country, have no choice but to support the Jewish claim to "nationhood." But, for this we must pay a price. The only question is, will it be the price of American LIVES? Or one of economic diplomacy? b]ME[/b].. I'm old enough to remember WWII, Korean Conflict, and served during Viet Nam. This country has lost it's collective backbone. There is no way you can negotiate with a fanatic. Look at history. Sorry to ramble, my mind goes faster than my fingers. I appreciate your experience, age and wisdom, Usedup! And I agree about the American Backbone! But, if ANY part of a theory is disproven, then the whole of it is suspect. And in that regard I must submit that, though we never TRIED nor accomplished a complete overthrow of Fidel Castro, we have learned to "live" with him just a few miles off our coastline. We are TODAY, still buying oil from Venezuela, though we consider Chavez to be a "fanatic." And we are now partners, in some respects, with the leader of Russia, once believed to be the most "fanatical" empire in the world. So, yes... I HAVE considerend history, and such things as the 100 year war, Napolean's "Waterloo," and the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire. And I see us making MANY of the same mistakes that doomed those earlier cultures AND their "leaders!" Those who fail to LEARN from history, are destined to repeat it. MANY seem to think the world was created in 1776! [/quote] |
One of the BIGGEST problems facing this country is entitlement. When our nation decided to pay people to sit AT HOME and earn a living, end of morals began. People can't take, take and take some more to be moral.
Entire generations have lived on entitlement programs. The government picking up the tab with free rent, free food, free utilities, etc. I was raised that you fend for yourself no matter the means. There will always be a job for you, it might just take some time to find it. This leads me to my next point, responsibility. The lack of personal responsibility is disturbing and spreading. "It's not my fault", "I didn't do that" and on and on. Here's some recent cases- Hurricane Katrina- I understand that not everyone had transportation. But New Orleans and the people who live there knew for a WEEK that it was coming. I would grab a back pack with water and food and start down the highway. Sooner or later you would have made it to another town or get picked up. Instead all these people stayed. And all they could do is BLAME the government for not giving them a ride out, then blame the government for not resueing them quick enough. Then two years later these same blamers get pissed off when FEMA says it's time to move out of FEMA trailers. Jeez, if you can't move on and find a place to live after TWO years then somethings wrong with you. We have become a society of victims- New Orleans floods, bring in the feds to rebuild and throw money at everyone; take out a sub-prime loan, now let's get the feds to bail out the mortgage industry/borrowers; I was in a car crash, call my attorney. One of the bailouts by the feds that should not have been done was the airlines after 9/11. Why is it the taxpayers problem to bailout mismanaged airlines? There's this thing called competition along with supply and demand. If a couple of those legacy carriers went belly up, that business would have gone to the remaining airlines. Businesses have come and gone since there has ever been businesses. The government needs to govern the people. Not pay for their ruined homes from earthquakes, floods, fires and hurricanes. If you are a homeowner, you have the RESPONSIBILITY to buy insurance. Ok, it's late and I'm hitting the sack. |
Fastest way to end the war in Iraq would be to actually take out Iran since they are providing the arms and finacing most of terriosts that are Shia based. Take 3 b-2 load them up with B-83's and level Theran then tell the rest of the Muslim world we WILL FLAT OUT DESTROY MECCA AND ALL OF YOUR HOLIEST SITES IF YOU SO MUCH AS THINK OF ATTACKING THE US OR ANY OF OUR ALLIES INCULDING ISRAEL AGAIN. As to the moral decay in the country called get the Goverment out of rasing our kids. My parents were not afarid to spank my butt when I did something bad nowadays you are so afarid to disaplince your own kids becasue you are afaird the state will come in a take them away.
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Well you really want to know what I think? If not I'm going to tell you anyhow.
What we should do is get all the people world and put them out in large feild and let them go to killing one another and whoever is left gets to run the world like they want to. |
Hey Hobo, Slimland Waving the hand out here in the cotton fields.
Ok, 9-11 mixed feelings there.. Sometimes I think when we gave the Talaban the time limit and they didn't produce, then maybe we should of just nuked em.. That would've got binladed and quiet a few others as well.. Would it cause WW3 probly, but either way were gonna get there.. But it also could've made these people think again before attacking and murdering our people. Guns-- I love guns, and think every lawabiding citizen should own a few. As for fully automatics. I have no problem with that either, matter of fact I would like one myself.. Though I have no need for one, I still would like one :lol: As for Bush-- I am disapointed in Him, and don't like some of his discissions. And I tend to agree that maybe we should have left Iraq alone at least for a little while anyway.. It seems to me, the ones to look out for--we didn't and now they have or will have nuke capability's. And are more of a threat than Iraq was.. Someone said something along the lines of threatining the holy sites of these muslim radacalist. I tend to agree on this, not a bad idea.. Morals-- what morals-- this nation is decaying on a hourly bassis. We allow things that IMOP should not be allowed.. In the past God showed His disgust at the actions of people, and used them as a testamony for those who in the futur would shake there fist at God.. and what does this country do, the same.. |
Well, Golf!!
I agree with you in some respects, but I disagree in others. For one thing, the attacks of 9/11 were no more a surprise to Bush & his criminal cohorts than the attack on Pearl Harbor was to The Roosevelt Administration. More and more evidence points not only to the Bush Administration's knowledge of 9/11, but also their hand that they played in it. Remember, we invaded Iraq, but Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. We know that Yemmen, Syria, and Saudi Arabia had their involvement in 9/11, but we have done nothing about it. With the Bush ties to the Bin Laden family, which extends back over several decades, did ANYONE ever believe that we were ever going to apprehend Osamma Bin Laden?? Personally, I no longer own a gun, but that was my choice, and it was made for personal reasons, not for political reasons. I do support the right of the individual citizen to own and use firearms as long as they are owned and used properly. Even George Carlin once rhetorically noted that we can turn to the police for protection, but then, without the right of the citizen to own guns, who will protect us from the police?? If we learned ANYTHING......ANYTHING AT ALL from Vietnam, it should have been that our military can not fight and win over an armed citizenry. |
Originally Posted by Slimland
Hey Hobo, Slimland Waving the hand out here in the cotton fields.
Ok, 9-11 mixed feelings there.. Sometimes I think when we gave the Talaban the time limit and they didn't produce, then maybe we should of just nuked em.. That would've got binladed and quiet a few others as well.. Would it cause WW3 probly, but either way were gonna get there.. But it also could've made these people think again before attacking and murdering our people. Guns-- I love guns, and think every lawabiding citizen should own a few. As for fully automatics. I have no problem with that either, matter of fact I would like one myself.. Though I have no need for one, I still would like one :lol: As for Bush-- I am disapointed in Him, and don't like some of his discissions. And I tend to agree that maybe we should have left Iraq alone at least for a little while anyway.. It seems to me, the ones to look out for--we didn't and now they have or will have nuke capability's. And are more of a threat than Iraq was.. Someone said something along the lines of threatining the holy sites of these muslim radacalist. I tend to agree on this, not a bad idea.. Morals-- what morals-- this nation is decaying on a hourly bassis. We allow things that IMOP should not be allowed.. In the past God showed His disgust at the actions of people, and used them as a testamony for those who in the futur would shake there fist at God.. and what does this country do, the same.. |
Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
Fastest way to end the war in Iraq would be to actually take out Iran since they are providing the arms and finacing most of terriosts that are Shia based. Take 3 b-2 load them up with B-83's and level Theran then tell the rest of the Muslim world we WILL FLAT OUT DESTROY MECCA AND ALL OF YOUR HOLIEST SITES IF YOU SO MUCH AS THINK OF ATTACKING THE US OR ANY OF OUR ALLIES INCULDING ISRAEL AGAIN. As to the moral decay in the country called get the Goverment out of rasing our kids. My parents were not afarid to spank my butt when I did something bad nowadays you are so afarid to disaplince your own kids becasue you are afaird the state will come in a take them away.
And I'm not so sure it would actually, as you say, END the war in Iraq. I certainly agree with your points about moral decay though. Within reason, parents should be the ones to decide how to raise their kids. Of course, many parents today are too busy with their own "ME." This brings in BigWheels point about or own "worldview." We would have to learn to let OTHERS raise their children in the way THEY see fit, rather than to legislate "cookie cutter" solutions. |
BigWheels said:
All of us have a worldview. It helps us make sense of this gig we call life. The challenge we face in discussing Guns, Moral Decay, and Jihad is to realize that we don't have the same worldview. As such, it's difficult for us to arrive at the same conclusion on various topics such as those mentioned. Not sure I'm actually expecting any "consensus." Just want to know more about what some of you really believe or feel. I didn't realize how disjointed my title was until you pointed it out. I certainly didn't mean that we had to discuss GUNS in the normal format of arguing over gun laws. It just seems that the proliferation of guns, in the hands of gangs, etc., has added to the "ease" with which innocent lives are snubbed out over things that used to be settled - maybe with fists. Our youth are becoming desensitized to the taking of a life with the all powerful gun at the end of our extended arm. Those who aren't shooting people for real, are doing so on video games, and think it is Cool! Maybe, they got the idea from Hollywood, and they just don't realize those guys are ACTING! |
Originally Posted by Mack2
Well you really want to know what I think? If not I'm going to tell you anyhow.
What we should do is get all the people world and put them out in large feild and let them go to killing one another and whoever is left gets to run the world like they want to. Isn't that pretty much what we are doing NOW?? :wink: |
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