In response to TA Jessop...the first 2 hours are free...and after that it cost $12.00 for a 24 hr. stay...or $20 in reciepts of any purchases made at the TS...or 50 gals. of fuel.

My Company will reimburse me the $12.00...but I usually buy 50 gals. of fuel...because then I also get a free shower. Still...I have easily purchased Store items and a meal at the resturant to clear the $20...in reciepts.

As far as Idle Aire...if there are no other spaces available...they will not deny you an Idle Aire space to park. But...for that matter...if you're inclined to use the Idle Aire service...those charges also go toward your $20 in reciepts. Most Idle Aire charges will be $10-$15 dollars. You shut the service off when you don't need it. It runs like $1.85/hour, on the Gold member plan. Add a new release movie..and that's another $5-10 bucks.

Anyway...the parking fee is the same for everyone. The fee is not waived for Idle Aire customers....and just because you park in an Idle Aire spot...you are not exempt. You are paying for the Idle Aire services...not the space.

P.S. for the record...I am NOT an Idle Aire customer...and never will be.
I will respect their business...but if I need a space...I'm taking one. I will however back in...as I will most likely be running my Reefer at least...and would try to respect the customers....but that would be my limit of concern. (I have a Whisper Quiet Reefer...and on continuous...you can barely hear it walking by)

I was down in Wildwood, Florida TA a few weeks back, and there were Trucks nosed in and idling right next to Idle Aire customers through out the lot. Actually like 80% of the spots were taken up by non-customers! :lol:

Of course, that is your skankiest, filthiest, rat infested, busted up, TS that makes Jessop seem sanitary in comparison. :lol:

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Wildwood is DEFINITELY OFF my list!!! :lol:

Kenandan wanted experiences and suggestions. I suggest they build EXTRA parking lot spaces for IdleAire... at the BACK OF THE LOT! You want a "quiet zone?" then build AWAY from the constant circling of trucks looking for a spot! (The BACK row is ALREADY the "quiet zone" for those who shut off their engines and don't want to be next to an "idler.") I think the BIGGEST gripe here, is the loss of parking spots NEAR the building! I've actually noticed, lately, that T/S's are paving MORE land to replace these spots NEAR THE BACK of the lot! This just WILL NOT appease drivers, and encourage business!

~~I agree!! I think that IdleAire is starting to learn of this problem. In oregon's case, the very back part of the lot, the last 40 or so spots that is the farthest from the TA, was what IdleAire intended to lease out. T/A changed the location and design of this though. That was T/A's bad on that part, and I think it would have been easier, and better overal to have those back spots. I dont know why TA didnt take the offer for just the farthest spots... :(

I think the survivability of IdleAire is strongly linked to their "acceptance" by non using drivers! I think it is CLEAR that, if they want to be accepted, they should COMPROMISE on the location of their spots and COMPENSATE by paving land for replacement slots! I've seen SOME T/S's where they have done JUST that!

~~I think it all depends on the amount of money that is given to IdleAire via grants. I do not know how to really solve this problem, and it would be a lengthy thing to do, I assume.

Here is a situation i just thought about and would like and answer to...As we all know there are also scummy truck stops that think they have to charge us to park...thats a whole different thing to bitch about but....Say you take a truckstop like the T/A in jessup maryland...they are one of the scummy scummies that wants to charge people after 2-3 hours....they have idleair. Is the parking fee waived if you use Idleaire or do you just get double charged for parking....and say you roll in late and the only spaces left are idleaire and you park in one because you have to, but 4-5 hours later Idleaire tries to run you out so someone can use the idleaire but there are no regular spaces available....is Idleaire going to pay for your way out of the parking lot? Because at that point your free 2 hours would be up. Or could they even run you out of a space at a lot that you have to pay to be in even if it is in an Idleaire spot? Seems to me it wouldnt be very fair that they could run you out of a spot that you were paying for anyway even if you were not using their services.....Any insight on things like this?

~~From what I understand there is locations like this, and I have heard that locations like those give free nights depending on what you do. I dont know the details of that, but I can ask, from rumors I have gotten though, using IdleAire will reduce or drop the parking costs. The TA in Aurora, Oregon is not a Pay to Park TA, so I have not had to deal with this problem yet. I can ask though. I think Roadhog answered that better then I could.

(This site needs quickpost... :) )

So why dont we let free market and demand for the product sort it out. If you are trying to rely on government grants to survive and not profits from your service it would seem to me that the demand for it must not be that great....but I guess the hopes are that eventually the government will do enough to ban idiling and all that stuff to the point that people are practicly forced to use your service instead of CHOOSING to use your service.

:shock:

What does IdleAire plan to do when the grant money runs out? Ever heard of Park N View?

IdleAire is making money, they grossed around 4 million last year, and they are looking to hopefully double that this year.

The grant money is used to build the locations. They are wanting to expand very quickly, already in the plans to have 200+ by the end of this year. Even if the grants suddenly stopped, 200 locations will be enough to survive.

They are already looking to go public in the next year or two. With the laws of idling showing up everwhere, I am pretty sure that the stock will grow pretty fast.

We also have close to 1900 truck companies that are supporting us by paying for the services, or giving their drivers a discount. We also have close to 13,000+ in progress, and about 25,000 as prospects.

they grossed around 4 million last year
you can gross all you want , it's net that keeps you going not gross..?
gross 4,000,000 sounds realy good but did you spent 3,999,999 to make it..? and just how much would idleaire make if it didn't have the grants to pay for building...?

They are already looking to go public in the next year or two
if thay are realy making so much money then why would thay NEED to go public after all the only reason a company goes public is to RAISE MONEY
do any of us rember the DOT COM's......?

close to 1900 truck companies that are supporting us
you keep saying this and making it sound like more than it is..
you make it sound like thay are behind you and not just paying for a service.

We also have close to 13,000+ in progress, and about 25,000 as prospects
to get numbers that high idleaire is counting each o/o as a company right..?
a better way to realy look at it would be repeat use (ie SAME TRUCK not truck companies ) if a trucking company has 3000 trucks and all of them use it one time doesn't look as good as the same 50 trucks using it ever few day for a year.

I stopped at the T/A @ exit 10 on I70 in Ohio about an hour ago (8pm). All of the regular parking was completely full. IdleAire, 3 trucks in it.

So, I went another few miles to the rest area and shut down. Screw IdleAire.

They have very few of the large trucking companies. Most of those 1900 trucking companies are extremely small. How do I know? I've looked at their literature. It lists all the carriers that pay for IdleAire. You don't see any of the big guys on the list.


I'm parked in an IdleAire spot right now. I'm looking down the row of hoses (almost every spot is full). I see two hoses hooked up to windows.

And yes, golfhobo - I'm nosed in. I didn't have the room to back in. I'm just glad I don't have to be anywhere in a hurry tomorrow, because I would be hard pressed to back out of this space, and I don't think I'm going to trust the IdleAire rep who hasn't driven a big truck a day in her life to get me out.

Yeah, I dont understand why if profits are so good and things are going so well why they have to rely on grants to build their sites.....Thats like the government giving Wal-Mart money to build a new supercenter in my view...its amazing how numbers can be manipulted on paper.

you got it :idea:
sounds like cooking the books to me :shock:

The Rev said:

Maybe, they all have the $10 stickers in their windows, that allows them to use these valued spots without being hassled! Let's see... if 3 million truckers would pony up $10 for a "permit," IdleAire could give back all the government money, improve their services, and avoid all the ill will they've been getting! Just a thought! :wink:

:shock: :shock: :lol: :lol:

Personally, have never seen a setup yet, where there wasn't more than the usual "aisle" space between idleaire and the nearest row of trucks! But, I'm not questioning you! :D

Proper trip planning might help. And practice, practice, practice! :lol:

Can't really argue with this. I sat one day and watched a trucker trying to back out of a spot with TWO female attendants "helping" him! :shock:

They were talking with each other and laughing, while HE had to G.O.A.L. at least 3 times!! :roll:

I put my CB on channel 3 and let "them" and their "supervisor" know what I thought of the "service!" :evil:

Perhaps, Kenandan, can improve the professionalism in HIS organization, the way WE truckers have done in OURS!?

Huh? Whachu talkin bout Willis? $10 stickers? :?

Yes you are. :wink:

It is on the edge of the row, and if I would have backed up, I would have taken out the ass end of the trailers behind me. A lousy setup. In fact, there are IdleAire spots here that are darn near impossible to get into.

I'll just use that adverse conditions exemption.

Got me again, Rev! Kenandan wrote:

Rev said:

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if idle air was to put a full on gym at all their facilities i would run out and pay whatever the fee without hesitation...But these idle air spots do not ,and because they are paid parking spots even during the day I can't unhook from my trailer and use 2 spots to set up my bench and hit a good work out ,and the space between the trucks is less than the average parking spot so even when doing workouts that don't require my bench there isn't room to simply swing a barbell betwwen the trucks ...and i can do that at most pilot lots .


I chuckled a bit when you said you were doing well ....But of course you should be you have almost ZERO overhead as your equiptment was given to you with free money I.E. grant $$$...If uncle sam would buy me 200+ trucks and set me up I'm sure I could turn some profit with a fleet of ...FREE TRUCKS...

UPDATE!

IdleAire Technologies Corporation
Announces 2006 Financial and Operating Results

They spent $23.8 million more than 2005 to make $14 million last year, and they still had a net loss of $60.3 million for the year.

If they don't start turning a profit soon, which is highly doubtful with those numbers, they will go belly up once the grants run out. No wonder they are considering going public. :roll:

I want to use Idleaire for free darn it....i pay taxes, my taxes help pay for Idleaire...i want a peice of that action.
they are not making money anyway, just let me use it...besides, not like they are paying for most of it anyway....The whole operation just aggrivates me. I would say with losses like that they will start to scale back on the services they offer pretty soon....internet an tv channels will start to suddenly disappear.