We liked Idle Air..........of course at the time we were running all over with no working climate control in the the truck itself....seems like we posted something ourselves on this matter quite some time back.....for us it was a good break at the time........my husband still stops in and uses it when he's out longer been awhile since I've been there myself though I know he stills likes to get into one when he can

OK, the thing is, i look at the setup and that big yellow tube seems like they are all interconnected even though each truck has their own HVAC system?


2)When you park and decide to use the system, do you hook it up yourself or do you have to wait for an attendant?

hook it up yourself,takes 2 minutes top to have it up and running

From what I see the Idle Air folks went crazy with how many spots at each truck stop they are putting in, say you have a parking lot for 100 trucks, well they put 30 in Idle Air, 5 people tops use the service, that adds up to 25 parking spots not being used by possible paying customers.

We was at one truck stop that looked like the idle air part was discontinued, I think it was in WV, I think if they had started small and grown with demand we would not be having this discussion on idle air lol.

I am an IdleAire site rep that currently lives and works in Oregon. We just recently opened the area in the aurora TA. I am not here to make sales, let me make that clear. What I am here for is to get a general feel of what people think of the services that we have, what people have experienced and generally to hear any ideas that can make IdleAire better.

Let it first be said to those people who have been thinking that we have taken up space, or removed spots from the truck stops. While it is true a few spots have lost some spots, almost all cases two or three (for spaces that did lose spots), the general avg is that there has been a gain in total spots made.

Let is also be said, the air that is forced into your cab is from the cab itself. The air is sucked out, filtered through 3 filters, and fed back into your cab. On top of this, the units are cleaned after each use, and the filters are replaced after 300 hours of total usage or 3 months, what ever is first. The heating element cools and heats between 65 to 85.

I am sorry for any trucker who has had a bad experience with the services that are provided, or by the staff who works for IdleAire. Like any company there is some bad eggs every now and then, they are weeded out with time. And like every machine, things break, or stop working. We have people who are constantly checking and fixing any issues that come up as soon as we can, but some times, do to: rain, heat, or freezing temps things will break down.

In the case for truckers who have had the heating element fail on them during cold/hot weather. This is a problem that IdleAire is having to fix, while it is true that the air being pumped out is set at what you have chosen, during times of extreme hot or cold weather, the air will cool very fast. Even with you being in completely bundled up, or standing naked in hot or cold, your going to fill the effects of the temp around you. In those cases we don't mind idling, as everyone around you will most likely doing the same thing.

In the cases of idling, we ask that you don't idle for the simple reason as it is generally rude to the person next to you. A lot of drivers use the service just because it's a quiet zone. We ask that drivers do not idle so that those next to him/her, can get the sleep needed for the long drives that you all face everyday. These are rules that are set up by TA, and the other companies who have supported IdleAire

In the case of backing into our spots. I completely understand that a lot of you drivers feel that backing in is the best way to park, who wouldn't? You can see what is around you, when pulling out, and you can get out of the lot easier. The problem is that there is a $4,000 item hanging from the ramparts. With you being tired from driving, and in some cases, conditions of weather or time making it hard to see, you could very well hit those units we have hanging, trust me, people do it all the time. It is easier to pull into those spots, by facing forward when your tired, and you can see the unit and therefore wont hit it.

For drivers who do not know, we have staff at our sites 24/7, they are there for your use. We are not there to breath down your neck, or to force sales down your throat. We are there to help you in what ever means we can, this does include helping you back out, and stopping traffic so that you can do this. We are always carrying a CB radio, if you cant get a hold of us on that, which happens because they do get very wet and we have to replace them 3 or so times a month :), you can simply walk up to the office we have and get aid that way.

On top of this, no one makes extra money from a sale. So those who are being over zealous in sales, are generally trying to prove that they are the best. If you feel pressured, let them know. In most cases they will back down. If they are not, inform the shift leader, or site sup.

The mornings are almost always dead slow until about 3am. So in most cases your going to see a Site Rep always there to help you, as he is generally cleaning the office from the mess we afternoon members make.

For those who feel that we have pressuring you into using the service. While it is true that this is a company, and the only means this company makes money is by you drivers using the service, we, as in at least the site in aurora, do not force you to sign in. We ask though that if you are a member to put the unit in the window. Now before the anger and death threats start, think a little about this. Having the unit in the window helps us, and you in a number of ways.

1: It shows that you are a member, its clearly easy to see that with the unit sticking out the side of your truck, instead of us having to look at the window looking for a card or knocking on your door to ask questions.

2: We don't bother you. We like to keep tabs on you guys, it helps us better help you by seeing if there is any problems that is going on. With a unit in the window, you will most likely not see us again, unless you want to.

3: You wont be forced to move. The TA in Oregon backs IdleAire, let that be said. Most other sites also back IdleAire. If we get full, and trust me at the Oregon spot, and a number of others, we do very quickly, we start kicking people out. We have the issue of people wanting to park and hook up. This is a hassle that I personally hate doing. I hate going up and down between the trucks looking for someone who does not have the unit in the window and knock on the door, informing them that they need to move so that a paying member can use the site. I hate this, with a passion, it makes me fill sick waking you guys up, and kicking you out over something so simple. Having the unit in the window ends this problem.

It ruins the image of IdleAire, and can make member, and customers stop using the services. Not a good thing!

4: The last problem is while the least in the eyes of the driver who does not want to hook up, is the most important for the company. In the case that you decide to sign in, the unit is already in the window and is not going to be a hassle for you later to have to do that yourself. The Oregon site puts the adapter and the unit into the truck. While we let drivers do it, we like to at least feel somewhat useful and help out when we can. :)

Last, and one of the biggest things I have ran into is the following:

IdleAire has leased the spots that they are using. We know that they are TA, petro, etc, spots. We still have general control over them. The general rule is that you MUST be a member to park in the spots. Thats it. Now this is what seems to piss off drivers the most, and I can understand that. But we are also a company who is looking to make money. If you went into a dinner, and just sat in there booth, not ordering, not buying anything, nothing, you would be quickly asked to leave. If you parked infront of a gas station, and the attendant walked up, and you informed them that your just parking here to park there, and not going to get any gas, they too would ask you to leave. IdleAire is going to be the same way.

We are a company, and like any company, money is what we are wanting to get. Now, I am not saying don't come to our spots, but be willing to sign up. Its free to get the silver card. Free. No money, no catch, nothing, just free. It takes 5 minutes.

If your only going to be down long enough to get a weight ticket and then head out, we understand and we are not going to really bug you. But if your going to be down for hours, like 3 or so. We ask that you at least sign up on a silver membership. You dont have to buy an adapter, you don't have to use the services, you don't have to do anything like that. You are just asked to sign up. It's 100% free to sign up on the silver membership. And its nothing really impossible to do. Give them your name, first and last, CDL and state, and USDOT. After that you can leave the site rep to finish the rest. As the last questions are a Security Question, and 4 digit pin number.

If you plan on staying the night, we recommend getting the adapter and putting the unit into the window. The adapter is always yours, and if you ever change trucks, you can get a new one for free. Again it's for the same reason as posted above, as you dont get bothered, and its only $10.00

For those of you who are Fuel Card Fleet Pays. You can find this information out by contacting IdleAire via email, or speaking to a Site Rep. You need to turn your unit off before 12:00AM, say 11:55PM. There is cases where truck companies give drivers only enough for a few hours, like 12 or so hours of complete services, this is generally rare, most give about 45.00, enough for a day. If you do not shut down before midnight, your funds will NOT be reset. You have to shut down at before 12 AM that night, or you have to wait 24 hours before you get your funds back.

For those who are Member Card Driver Pays. This means that your fleet is in a sense supporting IdleAire as an alternative means for you drivers to get the services. You can get the silver card, and get a discounted price of 1.85 an hour, this is gold card rate. Additional featues still cost silver membership prices.

We also ask that you be polite to the IdleAire Site Reps. It is very much understandable that you may be tired, or generally irritable because of what happened over the course of the day. This is not our fault though. Please do not take it out on us. We are there to help you, and while it can be very easy to vent on us, we are human just as much as you and it does effect how we work that day. We are there to assist, inform and to help. While we also do sales, we are mainly there for customer service, and to make your stay at IdleAire as pleasant as we can.

In the response to saving spots for people. We do this becuase people have called customer service well in advance, knowing that they will be stopping for the night there. They plan to use the services and to use the units for the night. This is nothing against you, never will it be against you. We do this, becuase people have asked us to save them a spot becuase they wish to use the services, not to get at you. Any member who plans on using the services that we have to offer can do this. You can call on CB3 if you are close by, or call the 877 number on the top of your membership card, to do this.

Again it must be said that IdleAire is a company, and like any company we are looking for business and to make money. By saving a spot for a member who is going to use the service, we make money. Again if you are a member, who is parked in our spot, and who has the unit in the window, using it or not, we will not bother you.

One last thing before I end this:

Shoot, lost my train of thought. That is what happens when you post 4 pages.

Well, if I remember what it is, I will edit the post. But that pretty much covers the basics of most problems I have seen, as well as heard. I want to see IdleAire succeed, not just as a employee looking to keep a job, but as a person who really thinks that it's a great system that was set up, as well as a person who is debating about doing what you guys do.

If you have questions, comments, or general concerns, you can pm me if you wish. Again, I am not looking to make a sale here, and I will not talk about that. I am here to just get of feel of what you guys think of the services, and to see what can be improved. I wish you all a good day, and to drive safe.

So, in a way the air sort of is being shared because the same filter is used.
AND
Also, air is being sucked out of the cab, the pumped back in; Recirculated air; not good.


i always thought that the box thing takes air from the atmosphere and pumps it into your cab, but oh well.

i suppose you could roll the other window down in order to have fresh air but things are starting to get complicated.

i'm not saying idleair is bad, in fact i may try it.

i still say the electrical outlet idea would be better.

The filters are heavy duty, about 2 inches thick, with 3 of them very closely placed together. They are changed after three hundred hours. They are like the cabin air filters inside of a normal car, but about 3 or so times thicker. A cabin airfilter can go a year to half a year of constant use and still be generally clean. So these filters will do very well. On top of that, the air is cleaner in your cab generally then it is outside, so even though we clean them out so often, they are still pretty clean, unless there is repeated heavy smokers, then we see the effects there. This is why they are changed out so often.

300 hours is not a long amount of time when you think about it.

Hmmm - I wonder...
 

Wonder how long you could get away with getting the adapter, hooking up the idle-aire, then just not use the stupid thing. After all, I already have AC power (invertor), internet (Sprint), heat (Webasto heater). It would eliminate having to fight for a parking spot at least.

We cant force you to use the service or not. When we go public, things might change, but right now as it is, we cant force you to use the services that we have, we can only present the option for you to.

It wouldnt be customer service or sales if we forced you to turn on the unit, and even more so, we would lose current customers, or potential customers. If your a fuel card - fleet pays, I dont see a reason why not to use the service, but if your anything else, I can understand why you wouldnt, or choose not to. You drivers are the ones who make the final choices on if your going to use the services or not, not us, and we cant force you, or decide for you.

I did try it a few times when it first came out, so I have a member card. Now, I just pull into a spot and do whatever I need to, without hooking up. I've only been bothered once, if you want to call it that. She only asked if I needed assistance and I told her no. If I did get asked to move, I plan on letting them know that I am a member, but I am not sure whether I'm getting a load soon and I'll hook up when I know for sure. I don't plan on EVER, literally, hooking up again. :wink:

Does that include harassing drivers who choose to back into an Idle Aire spot (rather than dangerously pulling in), to the point of threatening them? :? :roll:

We can ask you to turn your truck around, too many people have backed into those spots and have damaged the units, making their company have to pay for it and them getting an report over it.

Like I said before, if you are in one of our spots and you need help backing out, or even pulling in, call on the CB, we will be glad to help you nose into one of our spots, or to pull out.

So yes, we will in a sense harrass you over that, but it is becuase we do not want to see any damage to the unit and to the truck, it is also easier to just pull into a spot instead of spending the time needed on backing into it. Remember, we can, and will help if you want that assistance.

I also consider it harrassment when an IdleAire person comes knocking on my door to try to sell me that crap. Keep in mind that I was parked in a standard parking spot, in my sleeper with the curtain closed. And this happended on at least 4 occasions at different locations.

That right there is enough to never use the service.

So why, when I'm already backed into the spot without having hit anything, am I harassed to pull out and turn my truck around?

Some of us actually know how to drive these dern trucks. :roll:

That's a great way to advertise your service - harass the drivers who park there.

Some do, yes. But some do not. We ask that you pull out and turn around so that others do not copy you. It is just the way we do things, we feel it is easy to have everyone face one way, instead of having to deal with this issue on a one to one basis. It's just safer for you drivers. I am not doubting your skills as a driver, I personally make a mess of things in one of those myself, but its just the rules we set down, as we feel it is the safest means of parking. Remember, we are willing to help you pull out.

That is against the IdleAire policy. If you are in a standard spot we are not allowed to knock on your door if your in your sleeper or you have your windows covered. The only exception I know of is if you are in the way of letting people park in our spots, or the members are not able to pull out. There was a case yesterday where 4 drivers parked behind a few of the trucks in our spots to close to allow them to get out. The trucks were about 30 feet or so away. That is the only time on non-idleaire spots we are allowed to knock on your door, while you are asleep.

In IdleAire spots, if the spots are full and someone wants to use the services that you are not using, we can knock on your door and ask you to move to another spot. Some complain, but most drivers that we have had to move are understanding. We try to inform the drivers who do not wish to use our services that we might have to do that to them, putting the unit in the window, solves this problem. The other case is if you have been excessively idling. We understand if you have a bad battery, or it's extremely cold, but we ask to have idling kept as low as possible. If someone has been idling for a hour or more, we knock on the door to find out what the problem is.

I am sorry that someone has knocked on your door while you were in your sleeper, this is against the policy that the site I work at has. We find it rude to do so. Knocking on the door while you are on your seat we do as part of our job, and a simple wave to send us away will show us your not interested, but knocking on your door and try to talk to you while your busy in the back, or settling down for the night is what me and my co-workers stay away from doing.

Sorry, bub, no can do.

Nope. I back into spots. It's just the way I do things, and since I'm paying the note on this here truck, and not you, my way wins.

Rev.Vassago's rules state that pulling into a parking space is stupid and dangerous. It's just the rules that I've set down, and I feel that I know what the safest means of parking the vehicle I've spent 6 figures on is.

But if I'm sitting in my driver's seat with my headset on talking to my wife, then it's okay. :roll:

I thought your "rule" was that you had to back out..... :? :?

Wouldn't have been a problem if they weren't backing out.

And what do you do when the driver ignores you?

Ask me to move all you want. Until you show a pink slip for the blacktop, I'm not budging.

And yes - I'm being an azzhole about this.

Damn Rev - I'm liking you more and more :lol:

do you realy want to know..

[/quote]Let it first be said to those people who have been thinking that we have taken up space, or removed spots from the truck stops. While it is true a few spots have lost some spots, almost all cases two or three (for spaces that did lose spots), the general avg is that there has been a gain in total spots made.[/quote]

you realy need to get out a tape and check, we truck drivers can park 12 trucks in the space you have for 9..! takes more room to back out, more room for your hanging ac, more room for the poles that hold every thing out. it realy doesn't take much to SEE it.

[/quote]Let is also be said, the air that is forced into your cab is from the cab itself. The air is sucked out, filtered through 3 filters, and fed back into your cab. On top of this, the units are cleaned after each use, and the filters are replaced after 300 hours of total usage or 3 months, what ever is first. The heating element cools and heats between 65 to 85. [/quote]

so you are reusing the air from the cab without adding fresh so the longer we use it the higher the c o levels go. and that is a good thing..??

[/quote]I am sorry for any trucker who has had a bad experience with the services that are provided, or by the staff who works for IdleAire. Like any company there is some bad eggs every now and then[/quote]

looks like you have a full basket of them.

[/quote]In the case for truckers who have had the heating element fail on them during cold/hot weather. This is a problem that IdleAire is having to fix,[/quote]

well we would hope so but if you realy did care about this it should have been build so it didn't happen but that would mean you did care about your customers safety..

[/quote] during times of extreme hot or cold weather, the air will cool very fast. Even with you being in completely bundled up, or standing naked in hot or cold, your going to fill the effects of the temp around you. In those cases we don't mind idling, as everyone around you will most likely doing the same thing.[/quote]

see below

[/quote]In the cases of idling, we ask that you don't idle for the simple reason as it is generally rude to the person next to you.[/quote]



[/quote] We ask that drivers do not idle so that those next to him/her, can get the sleep needed for the long drives that you all face everyday.[/quote]

so now you know how we sleep..?

[/quote]These are rules that are set up by TA, and the other companies who have supported IdleAire[/quote]

i call BS on this one TA and other companies have no rule about how long or when we idle only idleaire has rules about it..

[/quote]In the case of backing into our spots. I completely understand that a lot of you drivers feel that backing in is the best way to park,[/quote]

da

[/quote] who wouldn't? [/quote]

YOU

[/quote]You can see what is around you, when pulling out, and you can get out of the lot easier. [/quote]

again da and safer too..



[/quote] We are always carrying a CB radio, if you cant get a hold of us on that, which happens because they do get very wet and we have to replace them 3 or so times a month :), [/quote]

maybe you wouldn't need to make so much money if you would learn to take care your equipment. just thinking out loud

[/quote]you can simply walk up to the office we have and get aid that way. [/quote]

just what i want to do at 4 in the morning.

[/quote]So those who are being over zealous in sales, are generally trying to prove that they are the best.[/quote]

just a few more of your bad eggs.

[/quote]If you feel pressured, let them know. In most cases they will back down. [/quote]

MOST..?

[/quote]The mornings are almost always dead slow until about 3am. So in most cases your going to see a Site Rep always there to help you[/quote]

gee and maybe that is BECAUSE WE are tring to sleep


[/quote]We don't bother you.[/quote]

bald face lie

[/quote]We like to keep tabs on you guys,[/quote]

no you just want to make sure we are being riped off by you


[/quote]You wont be forced to move.[/quote]

LIE

[/quote]we start kicking people out[/quote]

[/quote]It ruins the image of IdleAire, and can make member, and customers stop using the services.[/quote]

and why i will never use it


[/quote] we like to at least feel somewhat useful and help out when we can. :)[/quote]

that is your JOB

[/quote]IdleAire has leased the spots that they are using. [/quote]

so you make us walk from the back it we don't use it..? that is making it unsafe for my wife to walk to the TA in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom. mind you i got to the TA at 3pm and could have parked next to the building so she wouldn't need to walk the lot at night. but you don't care it's all about MONEY.

[/quote]We know that they are TA, petro, etc, spots. We still have general control over them. The general rule is that you MUST be a member to park in the spots. Thats it. Now this is what seems to piss off drivers the most,[/quote]

no sh#@ why should i park in the back so we can EAT & SHOWER when there are 25 spots up front that are being sucked up by idleaire


[/quote] I can understand that.[/quote]

no you don't

[/quote]we are also a company who is looking to make money.[/quote]

realy

[/quote] If you went into a dinner, and just sat in there booth, not ordering, not buying anything, nothing, you would be quickly asked to leave.[/quote]

YOU would be but i never have asked to leave not even after one cup of coffie and talking to friends for over three hours.

[/quote]money is what we are wanting to get. [/quote]

you just said it all


[/quote]If your only going to be down long enough to get a weight ticket and then head out, we understand and we are not going to really bug you.[/quote]

[/quote]Give them your name, first and last, CDL and state, and USDOT.[/quote]

1st i'm not going my CDL # to any of the low life that i have seen working at idleaire and just that the he$$ do you need my USDOT# for.

[/quote]If you plan on staying the night, we recommend getting the adapter and putting the unit into the window. The adapter is always yours, and if you ever change trucks, you can get a new one for free. Again it's for the same reason as posted above, as you dont get bothered, and its only $10.00 [/quote]

so you are saying that if i get the adapter for $10.00 and hang the unit in the window that i can park and NEVER USE anything or pay anything..?

[/quote]For those of you who are Fuel Card Fleet Pays. You can find this information out by contacting IdleAire via email, or speaking to a Site Rep. You need to turn your unit off before 12:00AM, say 11:55PM.[/quote]

gee great now i need set the alarm and get up just because YOUR stuped system can't deal with midnight...?

[/quote]For those who are Member Card Driver Pays. This means that your fleet is in a sense supporting IdleAire [/quote]

wrong.. thay are not supporting idleaire the way you are saying thay are thay are paying for a service and from what i have seen it is bad service on a good day.

[/quote]We also ask that you be polite to the IdleAire Site Reps.[/quote]

why..? you need to be the one that is polite after all am i not the customer

[/quote]Again it must be said that IdleAire is a company, and like any company we are looking for business and to make money.[/quote][/quote]we make money.[/quote]

[/quote] Again if you are a member, who is parked in our spot, and who has the unit in the window, using it or not, we will not bother you. [/quote]

so how much $$ is that

[/quote] I am here to just get of feel of what you guys think [/quote]

now you know what I think

we don't and will not use idleaire ( and we don't go to trucks stops that have it) i see no reason to my volvo uses about .6-.7 gl an hr your internet sucks as i can't do work with it and you want to charge me MORE to plug MY laptop it to it..? i have a cell why do i need to have a phone in the truck so i can plug it in and use YOUR free phone..? cable tv.. i have direct tv in my truck and it is less per month than 3hr's of idleaire. you have ac plugin's but i have to have extre cords just so i can plug things in. ???

IMHO it is not worth the money
sorry it is so long just trying to make my point.

Kenandan: You wrote

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I read your post that you will kick trucks out of the spaces if they are not using idleaire. I just signed up at a location in California and the attendant told me that he couldnt force me to sign-up or move, that anybody can use the spaces, without using idleaire.

Kenandan:

I want to thank you for your very informative and COMPASSIONATE post!

I also want to apologize for the way some of my fellow boardmembers have responded to your "unsolicited" efforts. Please don't feel intimidated by them. They were probably abused as children! :lol:

This is, after all, a forum for people to share information relative to the trucking industry. In that respect, YOU have done us ALL a great service.

I will, as I'm sure everyone knows by now, be "discussing" some of the complaints raised by the respondants. 8)

For now, I have only a few questions for you: 1) Are you male or female? (so I'll know whether to say He said this, or She said that.) 2) did you come on here and do this all on your own? Or does the company know you have "gone public" in this manner? 3) How and/or Why did you find us? Just a google search for sites discussing IdleAire? Or because, as you said, you are interested in joining this ZOO??

Hobo

:roll:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Come on, Rev!! You saw my smilie face! You have to admit that you were pretty hard on someone with no OTHER introduction to your nitpicking ways! (5 total posts... all in this thread.) :D

No, I don't think I was hard on him. I think I was hard on what he came here claiming to represent. I never made it about him, as it has nothing to do with him - only what he represents.

Fair enough. (although, I'm sure I saw the word YOU in there.) :lol:

BESIDES.... what made you think I was ONLY, or SPECIFICALLY, talking about YOU?? :lol:

HE (how do you know?) or SHE, didn't come here "claiming" to represent anything. They DO seem to work for the company, and they were giving THEIR experience with it - from an employee's side.

BTW, when you quote someone's statement, and respond TO IT, as opposed to "referencing" the information and opining ON IT.... I believe that could be considered "making it personal."

Just MY opinion.... I'm SURE you'll disagree. :lol:

I think they allready TRIED that.... called Park N View. Perhaps, they failed because truckers don't want to have to equip their trucks with space heaters, computers, et al.

And how much truck parking do most hotels provide? Do ALL hotels provide high-speed internet? First run movies that YOU get to choose?

Just askin'

Dont worry, I am not taking anything personal. I am a male, and no worries about that.

I did this on my own, and I did this via reading many fourms. It would have been impossible to post a thread in each fourm and keep up with it, so I choose this one.

I did this becuase I felt that having some sort of connection with the drivers in some way, so that concerns and ideas could come forward could be answered.

That is why I posted here, as I felt that having an actual means of speaking to you drivers, even over the net, would be better off then just speaking to your companies, as we wouldnt get a feel about what you think of it.

This will all in the end help IdleAire, as more brainstorming is brought up. Now I have heard many negitive responces about IdleAire, but I have not seen much in the way of constructive ideas that could make IdleAire better.

I would like to see what would make you as a driver more interested in it. Not just what makes you tick, and hate about it.

Lewisfriend, I'm not picking on you but, hmm.... seems to me like the filter in the air conditioning unit in every hotel room probably gets changed LESS frequently.

So.... when you stay in a hotel room, you are in effect, breathing air that is circulated through a filter holding someone else's diseases??

And.... what is so "clean" about atmospheric air? Especially, that around and above a truckstop?

I share your concern about "re-circulated" air, but is it not then "air conditioned?" Doesn't that include "conditioning" the air? Don't they use some kind of condenser for this? Wouldn't that mean proximity to water molecules? Doesn't H2O include fresh oxygen?

I don't know. I'm not an HVAC person.

Just wonderin'

So, as you have done, and Kenandan admitted one could do, you have used your free membership to park in their spots without using the service or getting hassled. What's so bad about THAT? (that's a rhetorical question... not aimed at you.)

But, my question for you, Wild, is WHY you intend never to hook up again? Cost? Service? Principle?

Just askin'

You saw wrong. It was never about the poster, until you made it about him.

Because I know you were.

The first line of their first post:

:?:

golfhobo wrote:

The Rev wrote:

Quoting the Rev, from his post that I referenced:

Um.... nothing wrong with MY eyes! Maybe your memory is fading? :shock: :lol:

Hobo wrote:

The Rev responded:

Rev: Psychic! :roll:

ME:

HIM:


Me: Oh... I GET it!! Women can't be a site rep in Oregon! How could I have MISSED that??? :roll:

Guess I need more "comprehension" training, cuz I definitely missed the "gender specific" wording in that first line of "their" post! :roll:

Sorry!!..... Over your head??

Your Honor.... I withdraw the question! :roll:

Jeez - here we go again. Let me set aside a half hour to fix your post response, since you forgot how to do BBcode.

It isn't that I can't do it. It's that I choose not to do it.

They don't own the parking spot.

Your point? It's no different than the guy who puts his drive tires into the side of my truck when he turns too sharp trying to back out of a spot.

Again - your point? The guy peddling crap isn't supposed to be there. The truckstops give IdleAire permission to be there, but I doubt that permission extends to harassing drivers who are parked in non-idle aire spots - especially when they are busy conducting business on the phone.

That goes in the face of about 80 years of truck stop designing. Wow - you should sell that innovative idea that nobody has ever thought of before! :roll:

Sure - I'd love to have them produce that one, especially when they admit they don't own the parking spots, just the service.

Same applies to my using BBCode. And, I would have thought the humor in my answer would have been apparent. :roll:


Neither I, nor Kenandan, ever said they did. But, you DO understand the concept of "leasing," don't you?


Actually, it IS. First, I'm not sure that is possible without him losing his mirror first... on the side of your trailer. Second, most of us don't own the trailer, so a scratch there isn't a debilitating accident. Losing a headlight and fender IS. Third, a guy cutting a corner too sharp is gonna GET worse than he GIVES if he hits the back corner of your trailer - it's NOT fiberglass. My POINT was, that I've seen the damage that can happen to the CAB of a truck when backed into a spot. It seems much more of a problem than someone tearing up his OWN truck on the back corner of my metal trailer. And I was just surprised that, with your experience, you thought exposing your nose to the passing traffic was the "safest" thing to do.


I'm sure you are right. And Kenandan said as much. I fail to see the difficulty in just "waving off" the salesperson, if you're on the phone, the way you would wave off a peddlar. If one more "gnat" in the air constitutes harrassment for you, perhaps the pickle parks would be a better location for shutting down.


First, I've seen alot of poorly designed truckstops! I was just saying that backing out is neither that difficult, nor that dangerous. Especially, if they would, in fact, assist. (SOME of us drivers have no problem with it.) It sounded to me as if the "offending drivers" that were asked to move, were not legally parked in a space opposite the IdleAire spots.


I know you're stubborn, Rev. But, I don't think you're that thickheaded! Kenandan SAID they leased the spots - not owned them. If so.... I doubt they would have much problem showing you their authority to control parking in those LEASED spots. The company (T/S) who DOES own the pavement, has leased those spots to IdleAire. I don't like it much more than YOU do, but... pink slip or not, you cannot "trespass."

I dont care how they sell it or word it, for those of us that drive for companies that dont pay for this turd of a service, they have made driving life slightly more difficult for the most part. Get into a truck stop late needing a shutdown, cant park there because the only available spaces are taken up by cones....not trucks.....cones. Taking up room where there could be extra spaces. shifting all of the free parking to the back dark alleys of a lot of stops. Parking is at a premium as is and there are enough vultures out there trying to squeeze nickles out of truck drivers without being charged to sleep when there are no other places to park and its to cold or hot to sleep without some climate control. Dont get me started on the required nosing into parking spaces, from day one of learning to drive these things you learn to avoid blind backing at all costs.......especialy in truck stop parking lots that are often confused as Daytona for 80,000 pound trucks. Long story short....It will be a few years probably before Idleaire disapears(hopefully they will)...just speed up the process and invest in APU's and encourage your company to do the same.

I know you're stubborn, Rev. But, I don't think you're that thickheaded! Kenandan SAID they leased the spots - not owned them. If so.... I doubt they would have much problem showing you their authority to control parking in those LEASED spots. The company (T/S) who DOES own the pavement, has leased those spots to IdleAire. I don't like it much more than YOU do, but... pink slip or not, you cannot "trespass."[/quote]

I wonder who the truck stops get more money from...Idleaire or the hundreds and hundreds of truckers in and out of their stores buying hundreds of dolars in fuel at a shot, over priced food, coffee, electronics, drinks.....Hmm, I wonder who pays them more......Its ashamed that doesnt seem to matter.

I wonder who the truck stops get more money from...Idleaire or the hundreds and hundreds of truckers in and out of their stores buying hundreds of dolars in fuel at a shot, over priced food, coffee, electronics, drinks.....Hmm, I wonder who pays them more......Its ashamed that doesnt seem to matter.[/quote]

Oh, I AGREE with you Jagerbomber, and have said as much in another post (on the thread I bumped). I don't KNOW how much money the T/S gets from IdleAire, or vice versa. But, it MUST be enough to balance out a bunch of pissed off drivers! :lol:

Kenandan wanted experiences and suggestions. I suggest they build EXTRA parking lot spaces for IdleAire... at the BACK OF THE LOT! You want a "quiet zone?" then build AWAY from the constant circling of trucks looking for a spot! (The BACK row is ALLREADY the "quiet zone" for those who shut off their engines and don't want to be next to an "idler.") :roll:

I think the BIGGEST gripe here, is the loss of parking spots NEAR the building! I've actually noticed, lately, that T/S's are paving MORE land to replace these spots NEAR THE BACK of the lot! This just WILL NOT appease drivers, and encourage business!

I think the survivability of IdleAire is strongly linked to their "acceptance" by non using drivers! I think it is CLEAR that, if they want to be accepted, they should COMPROMISE on the location of their spots and COMPENSATE by paving land for replacement slots! I've seen SOME T/S's where they have done JUST that!

Here is a situation i just thought about and would like and answer to...As we all know there are also scummy truck stops that think they have to charge us to park...thats a whole different thing to bitch about but....Say you take a truckstop like the T/A in jessup maryland...they are one of the scummy scummies that wants to charge people after 2-3 hours....they have idleair. Is the parking fee waived if you use Idleaire or do you just get double charged for parking....and say you roll in late and the only spaces left are idleaire and you park in one because you have to, but 4-5 hours later Idleaire tries to run you out so someone can use the idleaire but there are no regular spaces available....is Idleaire going to pay for your way out of the parking lot? Because at that point your free 2 hours would be up. Or could they even run you out of a space at a lot that you have to pay to be in even if it is in an Idleaire spot? Seems to me it wouldnt be very fair that they could run you out of a spot that you were paying for anyway even if you were not using their services.....Any insight on things like this?