and i suppose that faith comes from within?

In a way you are right. Faith is a personal choice no matter what you place that faith in. Kimahri, if you are interested in some reading materal you may want to try out this book.

"The Case for Christ"
by Lee Strobel

It is written by a reporter who claimed to be a former athiest. You can read
the rest of the description on the amazon link.

if you buy it for me, i will read it, if not, then i may buy it. just throwing that offer out there.

If you're serious I can pay for it online for you if you have an Amazon book store near you so you can pick it up. Or you can try your local library.

i would feel guilty if you really bought it for me, so i will pay for it. it was inteneded to be as a joke. LOL, i will get a ride to a book store today or asap.

No need to feel guilty. I have done it before when someone is serious. But on a messageboard it's hard to tell sometimes. No harm taken at all.

I suggest it because the reporter who wrote it appeared to have some of the same questions you have now. Maybe a good place to start your research.

ok cool. i will check it out.

The argument of predestination.

Those of you who believe in the Bible as truth, who say there is no predestination, or is predestination, I have a question!!!!! If God saying through Paul we are predestined according to Gods election, How Do you Interpet this?

Some of you believe Predestination cannot be, because it interfer's with FreeWill.
Some of you believe that God predestined, man ehtier to Heaven or through Hell.

I personaly think you are all missing the mark, with only half the answers avalable to us.

Free Will gives us the choice to believe or Not. Once believed then we are predestined as the elected of God.

But the sense that Paul was talking about was the election of Israel, pertaning to the election of the Gentiles. The reson the Gentile's had a chance at believing in the first place, is because of Israel unbelief.
But once the time of the Gentiles is fullfilled, Israel as a Nation will get it chance to be regrafted into the Olive tree, that it was remove from.

Concerning what Jesus said About No one comes to Him, unless the Father allows it.
The Father allowed it in the beginning, this has nothing to do with predestination, but on the contrary it has everything to do with FreeWill. For God looks at the Heart of Man, and Knocks, any one who answers He will come in and make it His home. And seal that person with the Holy Spirit of Promise, and he will be sealed untill the Day of Redemtion.


So is there Predestination? Yes, for God not wanting anyone to suffer eternal banashment from Him, has sent His Son, That who ever believes in Him will have everlasting life. Those who don't will not.
So it is a choice of FreeWill.
And if you choose not to decide you still have mad a choice!! That is you FreeWill, That is Predestination. So yes they can coencide.

Someone said I think it was HooserDady.
"Or whatever we choose to do from our own free will was already predetermined?"

This cannot be an acurate statement. Just because God knows what the outcome and actions up to the outcome is, doese not mean it was predetermined. If your in a bad situation, then you are in a bad situation, God just makes it work for the benifit of the Believer. Like I said, Once a believer, then predestination is a factor, for those in Christ.

There is a part in Eziekiel, where God calls Cyrus 120 years before Cyrus is born, to release His people from Babyon captivity. Was this Predestination? Yes, Why? Because God Knowing the heart of the man He created, therfor allowing the predestination. If Cyrus was to not believe in God, then it is more than likely, it might not have happen that way. There again is Free Will. But lets look at Cyrus, he is a forshadow of Jesus Christ. His name alone means the same, the anointed of God. Therfor this profecy of Cyrus, was to be exact because, that is the testimony of God, So others can Believe.

The Truth of God is the light of men. Jesus is the Truth, so men can see the light of God. The truth of God is to be believed, therfor freewill.

I believe Fozzy said this!!
"I do believe in the Karma issue... There is no way to get away with anything. Until you are on the right path... you will suffer. There is only one person who can control your destiny... that is the person who looks you in the eye when you shave."

The Golden Rule!!! This applies to all!!


So again Predestination? Yes, in the context of a believer.
Free Will? Yes, in the context of man.

the only thing we are predestined to do is die.

every living thing in this world has that to deal with. life is what happens with the rest of the
time here.

This is true, and it pertains to all, "For it is apointed to man to die once, then the judgment" But Christ gave us eternal life through His ressurection, that way "eventhough he "man" is dead, yet shall he live" thus "Grave where is you victory, Death where is your sting", the sting of death is the knowlege of sin, and Christ died to sin once and for All. But to recieve is to believe!!

Again free will and predestination!