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Try this link, read it all, it might answersome question you have, if not then ask us, some of these have already been answerd. 8)

whoops. didn't know about that. See what I mean slim>? I am just taking up space!

Thats alright that is what were here for!! Check it out make sure you read it carfully.
There is some good stuff there, OTR made some good points, Gypsie Brie, Jerymiah, just about everyone on there had something good to learn and say.

I do not have the scriptures in front of me but let me try and take a whack at it. In the New Testament Jesus told us to look at the parable of the fig tree. In the Songs of Solomon there is a passage that references a fig tree at the same time it references the bridge-groom coming for his bride. I believe this is Chapter 2 and may be in reference to the rapture. I believe his first coming was foretold by the prophet Isaiah.

In general terms Jesus is the bridegroom, the body of believers (the Church) is the bride, and Israel is the fig tree. Israel had to be resurrected as a country before His second return can take place. That happened in 1948 after nearly 2000 years of Israel being in non-existence as a country on a map.

The general time frame for the Rapture should be within the generation that saw Israel become a nation again. Some state it specifically when Israel took back Jerusalem in 1967. There is some question as to how long a generation is specifically but it is usually measured somewhere between 40-70 years.

Overall, when we see all of the signs Jesus gave in Matthew 24 AND see Israel become a nation again then we should look up because our redemption is very near.

Now that is a lot of rambling but I hope an answer is in there somewhere. :D

Finnaly some one gets it!!!

Acording to psalms and Genisis a generation is 40 years.
The first coming we know was fortold and came exactly as fortold.
The second comming is fortold and it was givin to us the time also.
Only the Raptur which was fortold, is not known to man, at least the day and hour.

Let me explain.
In the book of Daniel the last chapter 12 vrs 11&12 "after the Abomination of desolation is set up there is 1290 days, BLESSED is he who waits, and comes to 1335 days" This is the Second Comming, This is when Christ steps on the mount of Olive and splits it, return to earth. The exact day.

Now the Raptur can happen "from what I understand" 40 years after Israel gets thier land back. This happend in 1967 that put a generation around 2007-2008. To give further support to this I will have to point to the below.


This scripture is referring to the fall of the Towers on 9-11-01. This is the only time since Israel became a country, that 2 Towers have Fallen Thus "The Great Slaughter, When the Towers Fall". The sun and moon light is God's word going out into the world bringing people to him after the Fall of the 2 Towers. From my opinion of the scripture this will last for about 7 years, (1 year for 1 day, This is also found in Isaiah) if you keep reading vrs 27-33, you will notice that God makes the Nation to Error, then after that the Rapture this is the mountain of the Lord and the Music spoken about, Then on earth the Lord releases his Judgments on the earth and ungodly who denied him, during this time people will still be able to save their souls by accepting what Christ did on the Cross, but they will have hell on earth.

After the fall of the 2 towers, there is a period of 7 years, that God sends his light out, thus the light of the moon "which is God light shinning in the darkness" will be seven fold "more people comming to Christ the great call to come out of the darkness" The sun light is seven fold, " The Glory of God will be seen in his people, and the heavens". Then also after the Fall of the Towers, God will cause all the Nation to Error. Thus what is happening now. After the seven years there will be a call to come up to the mountain of the Lord "Raptur" after this Judgment on the Earth.

The Towers fell in 9-11-01, that with 7 years is about 2007-2008 give or take on both accounts because this would be going by Jewish Calander and Months.

It is now 2006.

Hmm!!!!!

Not to mention befor Christ recieves his Church to himself, in Luke "There will be signs in the sea, it's waves roaring, and this will cause peplexity among the nations, for fear of whats comming upon the Earth, There will be signs in the Heavens, and mens hearts will fail them." "Paraphrasing"

I would not say I get it. I love studying the end-times and have a little bit of knowledge. But as I have heard before a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. :shock:

Slimland, what Bible passages are you referencing in the 2 towers post. This is the first I have heard about this and would love to read further.

Oh Im sorry I didn't pu the whole thing didn't realize it thanks I'll fix it.


Here ya Go!!!





Isaiah CH30:25-26

"There will be on every high mountain and on every high hill Rivers and streams of waters, In the day of the Great Slaughter, When the Towers Fall. Moreover the light of the moon will be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun will be sevenfold, As the light of seven days, In the day that the Lord binds up the bruise of His people And heals the stroke of their wound."

I found this interesting.


I am going to quote myself and double post!


This scripture is referring to the fall of the Towers on 9-11-01. This is the only time since Israel became a country, that 2 Towers have Fallen Thus "The Great Slaughter, When the Towers Fall". The sun and moon light is God's word going out into the world bringing people to him after the Fall of the 2 Towers. From my opinion of the scripture this will last for about 7 years, (1 year for 1 day, This is also found in Isaiah) if you keep reading vrs 27-33, you will notice that God makes the Nation to Error, then after that the Rapture this is the mountain of the Lord and the Music spoken about, Then on earth the Lord releases his Judgments on the earth and ungodly who denied him, during this time people will still be able to save their souls by accepting what Christ did on the Cross, but they will have hell on earth.

The reason I put the Kings!

It is the makeup of the kingdom of darkness, it's also physical as it is spiritual. The king that was presently sitting on the beast was Lucifer "Satan" the beast that is to come out of the abyss is the Destroyer. His spirit is the one who flows over the earth, the one John told us about, the Spirit of the Antichrist. Before he comes out of the abyss he gets 10 kings "fallen Arch Angels" to attack Satan, When Satan falls or fell his Image fell with him. What is his Image? The same reason he fell from heaven Pride what gave him pride? his beauty, what gave him his beauty His Trading, The love of money is a root to all kinds of Evil. This all can be found in Ezekiel Ch 28 vrs 11-19. So now we know that the money systems of the world where made by Lucifer. When he fell his trading fell. Thus the 2 Towers. Rev ch 18 exact description, How many times does the Angle say Fallen? 2 Times vrs 2 "Babylon the Great is Fallen, Fallen" how much time does it take? 1 Hour vrs 10 "for in one our your judgment has come".

God called his people out before it fell "come out of her my people, so you do not participate in her plagues". Did God cause this to happen? No, The beast in the pit did.

Now what? Well, first the rapture then Satan has the key to the bottomless pit, he will open it releasing the 2 beast that reside in there, there names are Abbadon, and Apollyon, both mean destroyers. This is your Antichrist and False Prophet. They will heal the wound that was caused to the Kingdom of darkness "The neck wound" and they will reign, first the false prophet then the Antichrist."7&8" Notice the 8th one is of the 7, the 5th kingdom on earth was the Holy Roman Empire, it is reborn in the European union which originally consisted of 10 country's."10 Kings".

any questions?

On first reading this is very interesting. Especially the part of the money systems being made by Lucifer. This would seem to also go into the mark of the beast in ch 13 of Revelation where no one could buy or sell without the mark of the beast in the forehead or the hand.

I will study further. Thanks Slimland!

I'm with you Redeemed, I was surprised about Lucifer and the money system. Slimland shot this idea at me awhile back and I have been trying to do some research on the subject. I find it very fascinating but on the other hand sometimes I rather just focus on what God has in store for me in Heaven and more importantly how He wants me to live today.

Ditto. Figuring out when the day of reckoning is is like trying to figure out the day you are going to die. It's something that might be interesting but in the end you don't really want to know. I just want to focus on living life according to God's will and let the end come when it does.