Thats It for CENTRAL i QUIT !!!!!!
 

heres my last check. man im missing a trip on here, plus the 250.00 lumper fee is being charged to me. the drama never ends. but going to local interview today. lick my wounds and move on. just posted this so you guys could see how this so called lease all ads up. now if you were a company drvr this check would have been around 600.00 for the wk.

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SETTLEMENTS for bbbb123 for 2007-04-18 Check number:Dxxxxx2x CHECK TOTAL: $14.76
TOTAL
Load Truck Origin Destination Milestype Miles Rate Amount

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5380671 70243 PHOENIX , AZ EL PASO , TX E 399 85.00 339.15
5380671 70243 EL PASO , TX IRVING , TX L 609 85.00 517.65
5384791 70243 LIBERAL , KS DODGE CITY , KS E 88 85.00 74.80
5384791 70243 DODGE CITY , KS PHOENIX , AZ L 921 85.00 782.85

TOTALS:
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2017
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$1714.45

DEDUCTIONS/REIMBURSEMENTS for bbbbb123
Load Type Description Memo Balance Original Earnings/
Deductions Reimbursements NonTaxable
Deductions
B 401k 401k -0.0
5379569 D State Road and Fuel Taxes already crgd on 4/11/07 0.00
5380671 D Gal: 121.2 70243 EL PASO TX -342.92
5380671 D Fees: 70243 EL PASO TX -0.65
5380671 D Gal: 35.5 70243 ROBINSON TX -98.06
5380671 D State Road and Fuel Taxes -4.78
5380671 D State Road and Fuel Taxes -7.30
5384791 D Gal: 30.0 70243 DODGE CITY KS -86.16
5384791 D Advance: 70243 XCASH 0.00
5384791 D Adv Fees: 70243 XCASH -1.00
5384791 D Gal: 61.2 70243 TUCUMCARI NM -176.53
5384791 D Advance: 70243 TUCUMCARI NM -107.00
5384791 D Gal: 77.6 70243 ALBUQUERQ NM -217.22
5384791 D Fees: 70243 ALBUQUERQ NM -0.30
5384791 D Advance: 70243 ALBUQUERQ NM -107.00
5384791 D Hired Unloading no rec -250.00
5384791 D Gal: 53.0 70243 CASA GRAN AZ -147.14
5384791 D State Road and Fuel Taxes -1.06
5384791 D State Road and Fuel Taxes -11.04
D Qualcomm Statement Retrieval 0.00
D iel truck: 70243 JACIER2007-02-19 14:38:59.0 -419.00
D qualcomm truck: 70243 JACIER2007-02-19 14:38:59.0 -22.78
D maintenance truck: 70243 JACIER2007-02-19 14:38:59.0 -50.00
D performance truck: 70243 JACIER2007-02-19 14:38:59.0 -55.00
D ss_registration truck: 70243 JACIER2007-02-19 14:38:59.0 -25.10
D physical truck: 70243 JACIER2007-02-19 14:38:59.0 -48.29
D non_tractor_ins truck: 70243 JACIER2007-02-19 14:38:59.0 -6.70
D tax_att truck: 70243 JACIER2007-02-19 14:38:59.0 -16.00
D heavy_tax truck: 70243 JACIER2007-02-19 14:38:59.0 -10.58
D prepass truck: 70243 JACIER2007-02-19 14:38:59.0 -2.31
D occupational_ins truck: 70243 JACIER2007-02-19 14:38:59.0 -33.46
5365357 E DETENTION stop[4] 60.00
5379569 E Fuel Surcharge - Owner Op already pd on 4/11/07 0.00
5380671 E Fuel Surcharge - Owner Op 166.26
5384791 E Stops 50.00
5384791 E On-time Service 20.00
5384791 E Fuel Surcharge - Owner Op 251.43

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547.69
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0.00
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-2247.38

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Totals: 2262.14 0.00 -2247.38
Taxable Earnings: 2262.14
Deductions: -2247.38

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Check on 2007-04-18: $14.76


YTD SUMS
YTD Taxable Earnings: 0.00
Other 3915.22

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YTD NET: 3915.22

The numbers are hard to read for me but the only number that counted is the bottom line. Sorry that it didn't work out for you. I hope somebody who was thinking about l/p reads this and thinks again.

So all you made for that week was $14?!?

yep
 

yeah 14 dollars. what a mess. i had a few good checks but the 200.00 one last week and now this 14 dollar one got me sayin WHUT THE FUQ, im outta here. damn jerry moyes or whatever his name is lol/

Are those cash advances in Tucumcari and Albuquerque of 107.00 each?

Also did you turn in the receipt for lumpers?

You should still be able to get that money back.

Not to say that you shouldnt quit....however. If you knew it was a slow week, which any otr job with any company would have occasionally, why would you pay for a lumper? Im assuming from your post that you have to pay for your own lumpers. Why not get back there and unload your freight yourself. Personally, I wouldnt pay 250 bucks to sit down and watch someone else work. Without those advances and that lumper charge, it still would have been a bad check, but most likely enough to get buy for a week or so.

Sheepdancer wrote:

He may not have had a choice...some receivers mandate you use their lumpers and will not let you onto the dock to unload your trailer.

A 45,000 lb load of IBP meat in boxes on the floor? No thanks, thats what lumpers are for.

Thus the term, Throwing Groceries. :P

Did you have a realistic, objective idea of what your costs would be before becoming a lease operator? Do you have an accountant that knows the transportation industry that you trust?

Easy for you to say when you're sitting in your cushy office. When was the last time YOU lumped a trailer? If the back goes, so goes your job.

He made more than $14. He spent $200 of it before he made it and then shelled out another $250 for a lumper. Although not great week it wasn't $14.

Maybe someone that has some lease experience can answer this. Does a lease driver have the opportunity to check on lumper mandates before he takes a load. I'm just thinking out loud. But, maybe if a driver knew beforehand if he can unload himself, or what the charges for a lumper would be, he would be able to choose loads to his advantage. These lease deals seem to already suck, but I guess lumpers could ruin your week if caught off guard. Two lumper loads @ $250 each would make me want to stay home and sleep.

In the 2 years I drove for Stevens, I only once had to pay more than $150 to unload a trailer. $240 for a load of frozen food, 4000 some cases all on the floor. The average cost to unload a meat trailer in the NYC area was between $100 and $150, depending on where you unloaded at. The $150 fee was at a Brooklyn reciever that had to unload the truck off the street, they didn't have a dock you could back into.

The only time I touched a meat load was when I delivered to Empire Beef in Rochester, NY. The lumper service would give you a helper free of charge, but would charge you to unload the trailer. $90 for a full trailer.

But that was 7 years ago.

Just because I sit behind a desk for a living, doesnt mean Im lazy and I wouldnt do work. I can tell you that if I was a driver and it cost me 250 bucks to have a trailer unloaded, I would do it myself. Like I said, I just couldnt bring myself to pay 250 bucks, sit on my butt and watch someone else get a free workout.
By the way, during college, I worked at a walmart distrubution center loading and unloading trucks by hand. Didnt bother me one bit, in fact it was fun. To me paying for a lumper sounds like that even though I pay for a gym membership, I pay some dude 250 bucks to go work out for me.

yeah, when I was 20 I used to unload boxcars in houston in the summer. doesn't mean I'm going to do it now.

I see you didn't make a career out of unloading trucks at walmart...sure, it's fun for a summer or two.. :lol: :lol:

Packrat the times they are a changing. ;)

When I started driving in 1999 the first lumper I hired charged $100 to unload and breakdown the load.

$35-$50 was what I got charged for straight pulls.

In 2005, the last year I drove OTR, straight pulls were up to $75-$100, and if they had to do anything beyond that it went to as much as $350. :shock: :shock:

Damn, I'm in the wrong line of work.

I tell you what....if people are paying 250 bucks to unload a truck, if anyone is ever in NW arkansas and needs a truck unloaded, I will do it for 225. And yes, I will still have fun doing it. Sometimes you have to sweat a little to make money.
My point of this thread still stands. He was griping that he only had a 14 buck check. He could have made at least 250 more if he would have unloaded himself. Where it stands, He is quiting his job, he is broke...and the lumper is making more than him and probably in better shape. I just dont get it.

I'll do it for 200 :wink:

Lol Pack. I was thinking the same thing. Perhaps I need to start a lumper service on the side. I wasnt aware that drivers or companies paid so much for lumpers. Crazy

Your settlement says no receipt for the lumper. Did you lose it or forget to send it in or something ?

The unloading is only part of it. You've also got to sort/segregate and break down pallets which is time-consuming and labor-intensive. 26-side loaded pallets in a 53' trailer can easily break down to 40-60+. Sometimes you've even got to shrink-wrap the skids. Then you must wait for the checker to come around and sticker-up everything. Now the racket here is that the checker will usually take his good-ole' sweet time inspecting your load sitting all nice and pretty there on the dock because he always cherry-picks the lumped-loads first. Why? Because the grocery warehouse gets a cut of everything made by the lumpers and it's their way of "sticking" it to you so you think long and hard about not paying that lumper extortion fee next time.

So what could have been 2-4 hours turns into 4-6+ and you worked up a nice sweat and maybe have to drive again when you could have been in the sleeper catching some zzz's. Not to mention straining a muscle in your back or leg.

OTR truckdrivers shouldn't have to put up with all that nonsense - they're job is tough enough. It's not so bad for me because I'm paid by the hour in LTL and I'll have maybe have 2-3 skids of gloves or something that breaks down pretty easy. Still, it's a royal pain-in-the-a$$ no matter who you are. That's exactly why I'll never pull a reefer again.

Its stupid to have to pay a lumper at a warehouse for a load the warehouse owns. Thats just a form of domestic terrorism to me. I have unloaded in warehouses that their lumper service is as high as 350 but the poor illegal unloading gets 35 to 50 dollars and lives in a house with 20 other illegals.

Well, as far as lumpers goes, if the company you drive for pays for them, let them work.

If not, the receiver needs to pay for them.

Still not? Then the receiver better get there product off my trailer.

Either way, I don't pay for lumpers, and I don't touch loads.

Now, to be fair, I was never in a position where I would have to worry about it. But that is my attitude about loading/unloading. I drive the truck. Peiod. Too me, CDL means Can't Do Labor.

I'm really happy to be driving a tanker. :D :D

sorry
 

ok maybe my settlement wasnt clear enough. the 250 bux 4 the lumpers is FORCED. if i unloaded myself, its only 30 an hr up to 90 bux. now the 107.00 is a double charge on the same day. (yeah i took an advance when i fueled) but regardless, stupid ass company should know that somehow, someway 300 cases at 100 lbs each got offloaded from my trailor, (what i assumed to be illegals, now im footing the bill. no way, went to an inteview today and start local with McLane foodservice on monday 9 to 1,200 a week and home every night. no payroll BS and no more over the road. im done.

I know exactly what you mean. When I was on "dumb and dumber" team at Stevens, my trainee partner wanted to unload every load (he was short on money due to child support to his ex-wife). We delivered a load to a warehouse in New Jersey whose dock manager "strongly suggested we use their lumper service", otherwise we had a 2 hour limit to unload our trailer ourselves otherwise he'd kick us out of the door. It took us about 7 hours to break it all down, all the while the dock manager telling us that we had 2 hours before we'd have to leave.

What made the job take so long was the cases on the skids (we had to break them down and restack them AKA bullshit) were glued together. :roll:

Dont get me wrong, I am of the belief that drivers shouldnt unload or if they do unload they should be paid well for it. I was just making the point that if you happen to get stuck in a job where you have to pay 250 bucks for a lumper, I would unload it myself. That just seems like too much for me.

what all of you forget to mention is the fact, while the lumper may charge 250 to unload you, if you do this yourself, most companies pay you only a fraction of that amount to do it.

Why is that? I don't know, but I would be da*&ed to become slave labor so the company can save a buck.

I am of the belief that if you are a truck driver then that is what you should do. Shippers put it on the truck and recievers take it off. If the reciever wants it broken down and stacked on different size wood they can do it on their time and dime. You can't make any money if you are getting paid by the mile and have to spend 2-3 hours taking somebody else's product out of your trailer or have to pay somebody to do it and wait to get reimbursed. I was once in Minneapolis on a friday at Supervalue with a t/l of papertowel. Lumper wanted $180.00 cash to unload it. I didn't have that kind of money on me, so I had to unload it myself. 4 hours later I was done. I got $10.00 for the stop and $40.00 for the unload. Big F'ing deal, I made $12.00 an hour. I never went to another grocery warehouse again. I am sure if you logged it on line 4 and then ran out of hours somebody would have a talk with you.

The reasoning behind that is that most companies don't want you to unload the trailer. So they pay less than what they would pay a lumper, in order to discourage you from doing it yourself.

Isnt that extorsion? Last time i check, extorsion was illegal?

Extortion? That term doesn't exist in this industry...

The blame for the lumping problem falls directly on the shoulders of the trucking companies. The term FOB (or Free on Board) has been in use for centuries. It means that the receiver is responsible for unloading the freight. For whatever reason, trucking companies have allowed the buck to be passed along to them. If they are contracted by the shipper and the shipper is invoicing FOB-Origin, they are not going to allow the trucking company to bill them for the lumper. It's not their problem. What are they going to do, bill the receiver even though their agreement is with the shipper? My guess is that the troubles probably started with a union somewhere saying, our guys are here to receive the product not unload it.

If you sign a lease with a company, make sure it's in your contract that lumpers are provided by the company whenever they're necessary. Otherwise plan to pay for a lumper or lump it yourself on occasion.

People can say what they want about flatbedding, but I never had to worry about paying a lumper or unloading a 45,000 pound coil myself... There are advantages to all sides of the industry.

By the time you pay workman's comp, kickbacks from the warehouse industry, and INS fines for the illegals, it doesn't leave you much..... :lol: :lol:

What I don't get is why anyone would still entertain the idea of leasing. Go to any trucking board and you will read about hundreds of people getting shipped off to the poor house from leasing.

SOOOOO many company drivers and super truckers, with NO o/o experience hop into a lease w/o the business sense to operate a truck successfully then blame the company for "shafting" THEM...when it was the "Billy-bo-badass" gear-jammer company driver that THOUGHT he/she had what it takes to be an O/O......

Guess that guy found out the hard way that being an O/O has little to do with actually driving the truck....all about business sense and the ability to make sound financial decisions in the best interest of the truck.

Just my .02

After looking at the breakdown, I'm having a hard time seeing anything that is not a legitimate expense. Mostly fuel and taxes which any owner operator would have to pay. Several items had already been paid and the lumper looks like it would be paid if a receipt had been provided. Also an advance was taken against earnings not yet earned. How is the company ripping anybody off? How is the lease deal a scam?

:x THERE ARE NO LEASE / LEASE PURCHASE Deals worth the paper there printed on!!! 8)

i did some digging on your settlement, even though it doesn't matter.



Income $2262.14
Expenses (including Cash Advances and the lumper) $2247.38

Total Profit $14.76


But you actually had $214 extra due to the Cash Advances and if you followed the proper procedures with the lumper than that would be another $250 in your pocket

so instead of $14.76 in your pocket you could've had $478.76.

Likewise your MPG for that settlement was 5.33 MPG.
2017 miles/378.5 gallons = 5.33MPG

That seems rather high, did you idle your truck excessively? I thought Central L/P trucks had APU's.....


$478.76 is still not a good paycheck but you shot yourself in the foot with this one...

anyways, BOL with your new outfit

8) Your ".02" is worth many $$$ if heeded by the headstrong!! 8)

It never ceases to amaze me...the number of people who "lease" a truck from a company....who don't know "squat" about running a business, or even what a P&L is, much less how to read it. It should be a "felony" to even think about leasing a truck without passing a written test proving one understands basic business accounting and rules!!