Obama care
 

Government run health care, yea or nay.

Now, do you mean "Government Run", or "Government Subsidized"?

Either way, it would cut into the revenues for the insurance companies, and I don't see that happening very soon. It will take a voter revolt to get that through. As long as they don't get it done, it's something they can campaign on. Pass it, and they lose that soap-box.

cap & trade got through the house, it's a real possibility that they're going to try and ram this past us too.

With that idiot Al Frankin getting in they now have a super majority, in other words fillabuster proof, be very afraid.

i have another question about 'national healthcare', will it cut into the salaries of doctors? they make a lot of money and drive around in expensive cars. what happens to their paycheck?

It likely will eventually, thereby discouraging doctors from practicing here. There's a reason the US is attractive to the medical profession. You don't see countries with nationalized health care leading the way in cutting edge technology. When is the last time Canada produced some breakthrough in health care?

Singe Payer is "Off the table" to quote Obama.

Two articles worth perusing;


Experts Agree on First Set of International Health Care Quality Indicators; U.S. Spends Most, But Quality Could Improve - The Commonwealth Fund

Look at how much more we spend than the other nations in the survey

Annals of Medicine: The Cost Conundrum: Reporting & Essays: The New Yorker

This one sort of makes me wonder to what degree greedy doctors contribute to the problem.

What is your point ? run them all out of the country ?, class warfare is stupid.

my point was that i'm not sure that the doctors will be for it and give up their nice pay check. if this goes through, their pay is cut and they will have to take what the government wants to pay them. even the ones that love obama, i am pretty sure don't want a cut in pay for their services. :thumbsup:

How would they be able to pay off those huge student loans!!!!

If you think health care is expensive now...wait until it's free....!!!

With 45,000,000 Americans who cannot afford healthcare how can you not be for some sort of national healthcare. I know that everyone is out for themselves nowadays but years ago we used to look out for our neighbors as well as our own. Think about this, how many of these companies are offsetting there costs by forcing drivers to pay well over $100.00 a week for family health ins. Trucking used to be a good middle class job where a man could make enough money to feed his family and afford ins. for his family and even have a couple of bucks left over at the end of the week to put into the bank.

There used to be a lot of jobs like that. At one time, there were also "COST OF LIVING RAISES". I can't honestly say I know anyone that's seen one of them in the last 10 to 12 years. Jobs that did once pay family expenses don't do so any longer. Why do you suppose we're looking at a "third round of foreclosures"?

And, as to the nice fat fees the doctors charge... I have a cousin that is a doctor. Never been sued, and ho hint of that ever happening. Yes, he is a very good doctor and does know his stuff. Spends a lot of time reading and keeping up with new developements. About 8 years ago, he was paying $1.25 million a year for mal-practice insurance. They may be driving around in nice fancy cars, but they also do have some pretty high costs as well. So, it comes right back to insurance companies, and the courts and lawyers.

New Zealand is a country with socialized medicine. But, you can also get an inexpensive "supplimental" insurance and I understand it gives you slightly better care. Still costs you less than we're paying.

Figure out a way to pay for it, and I'll be all for it. Until then, it's just a pipe dream, and a campaign platform that will get beaten to death just like the Social Security "lockbox" did back in 2000.

They needed some "REALISTIC PROPOSALS" for that one. Of course, the same goes for health care. The more rediculous the proposals, the more OUT OF TOUCH they are with the American People.

Not to mention the mal-practice premiums, tort reform already get these s>bag ambulance chasing lawyers with frivilous lawsuits under control.

LHSC became the first hospital in North America to use a robotic-arm neuron-angiogram machine in an operating room.

LHSC is the first in North America to implant an insertable cardiac monitor that offers long-term and continuous monitoring for atrial fibrillation, the most common cardiac arrhythmia.

LHSC performs the world’s first robotically-assisted intestinal bypass surgery for a patient with superior mesenteric artery (SMA) syndrome, also known as Wilkie’s syndrome, using the da Vinci® robot.

World’s first robotic-assisted left atrial appendage ligation to reduce the chance of clot formation and stroke in high risk patients with atrial fibrillation is performed at LHSC.

LHSC’s Pulmonary surgery team performed the world’s first robotic-assisted lung volume reduction using Computer Motion’s AESOP® robotic arm.

Medical Breakthroughs

Screw those socialist commie bastards.My great grandpa came over here for a better life not to have the same gov he escaped from

I could maybe see some kind of program that is more local. Maybe at the state level. We have states running Unemployment Insurance already so maybe some states could try their own single payer State program.


I will never support a national program though. I feel that anything the Federal Government touches only seems to become a bloated bureacracy that only creates more wasteful spending. Also many people cringe and the idea of Central Planning and I feel the same way about that to. What appeals to me about all the states trying it on their own is leading to a variety ideas being tried instead of one guy surrounded by his yes-men in D.C.

Yeah but when did they come up with something REALLY important?

A big NAY!!! Any time the feds get in something the cost doubles or triples, free my azz! Just where do you think the money is coming from? Have you ever gone to a VA clinic? If so you know what kind of care were in for.

If your against government health care you need to call/write and visit your rep's ASAP and tell them NO!

These people NEVER discuss how they are going to pay for the "FREE" healthcare program. Those who seem to be for national healthcare don't seem to understand that if insurance is currently unaffordable, it will cost more under Obama and the democrats. These politicians don't want to discuss the true reason healthcare costs are so high. Malpractice insurance, litigation, government mandated paperwork, etc., If you get rid of all the government required paperwork and regulations concerning healthcare and stop the litigation it would lower malpractice insurance premiums. Doctors and hospitals practice defensive medicine. In other words, they do tests to protect themselves from lawsuits. Doctors have additional payroll for those who must file all the insurance claims, pre approvals, etc., that they didn't have 40 years ago. In fact, most people could afford to pay for their doctor visits and prescriptions at that time. Under medicaid and other government sponsored programs participants are rationed healthcare to some extent. They are not allowed more than a certain number of prescriptions per month. If you are chronically ill and have a number of health issues, you may not be able to get your medications if you have gone over your limit. That is the way it will be if Obama gets his way. States who have their own version of medicaid are broke and having difficulty paying the bills already. Imagine what will happen with a national program. More beauracrats to decide how much or the type of healthcare you will receive. How much more in taxes are you willing to pay for national healthcare? For the first time I heard someone in the Obama mention that taxes will need to go up to pay for the stimulus tax and healthcare. They have since tried to backtrack, but you don't get something for nothing.

One thing that has been and will continue to drain our healthcare system are all the illegals in this country. I have friends and family in healthcare and they are forced to provide healthcare to illegals. They are bleeding money from having to provide these additional services.

We don't need nor can we afford national healthcare. We need to make changes but not in nationalization. Let's start by stopping healthcare for illegals. Next, stop all the government required red tape. Stop the litigation. Fire congress and the president. :thumbsup: Perhaps a requirement that will prevent any lawyer from holding office with legislative authority. In other words, no lawyer could be a state or federal legislator or congressman. It is a conflict of interest. :clap:

Under a national healthcare system doctors will be paid a reduced fee. That is already happening under medicaid and medicare. Some physicians refuse to accept it due to the fee structure and lengthly time to receive payments. It will get worse under a national system. That will drive many more good doctors out of the profession and likely bring in more foreign, less qualified doctors to fill the void, if it is filled at all. We are likely to see a shortage of doctors and other healthcare providers if this passes. If you want to see how well national healthcare will work then check out qany VA hospital. It is a shame how our veterans are treated in some of these facilities.

all i can say is be careful what you wish for. the american people wanted obama and now we have him. the people say they want free national health care and what will they do when they get it, and i'm pretty sure it won't be what they are expecting. if it is truly a universal health care, then i also want the congressmen and senators to be covered under the same plan that 'the people' are covered under. :lol:

we have free health care here. it's called charity care, at least in NJ. i see all the illegals and people without insurance in the ER all the time. ERs can't turn you away from being treated. who foots the bills from these people?

That would be us through health care costs and/or insurance premiums.

Let's just get rid of illness and injury.. then we won't need health care!!!!


Vote for me :)

correct, they can't turn you away, but all they have to do is stablize you, and put you out the door. Funny how your insurance might be good enough to stay for a night or two, but as soon as your insurance runs out and wont cover anymore nights in a hospital, they kick you out the door.

How many hospitals do that, and 'pretend' a patient is just fine, then they end up dying at home. Yet the doctor and hospital should be protected from being sued??? What i dont like about the healthcare plan, is that humans who NEED programs to get better, wont get them if they are deemed unable to provide to the community. Think of your child with severe case of downs syndrome, or MS or something.

it is no different than Hitler killing off people with 'problems'.

Godwins Law invoked. 50 demerit points.

:thumbsup: you are such a Hipster, Rev. :clap:

My problems with the system right now is:
1. Illegals get free care because most of the time they go to the emergency room and their bills are uncollectable.
2. Cash payers usually pay a lot more than someone with health insurance. If I go in for an MRI why should it cost me twice as much?
3. If I want to see my cholesterol why do I need to go to a doctor to get him to approve a lab to draw my blood? Why can't I just go to a lab and have them draw and analyze my blood?
4. Why are pharmacists needed? If my penis is limp and I need viagra why can't I just buy some off the internet direct? If I have acne why can't I buy some retin-a? If I have an infection why can't I just go out and buy some azithromycin?

i agree with you on a lot of points. but some drugs are very dangerous and have serious side effects. for example, my brother used to use retin-a for his acne as a teenager. he had to have regular blood tests and pregnant women weren't allow to use it because of serious birth defects. if i remember correctly, if you were a female you took a pregnancy test to make sure you weren't pregnant. i am talking about retin-a as prescribed by doctors, not the low doses you see in over the counter creams.

and as usual, people will abuse it. look at oxycodone.

I know the lefties are claiming "staged" anger at these town hall meetings...but here's a video worth watching.

Congressman Baird Gets an Earful During Town Hall on Obamacare

Such a very amazing link!

Lets be fair to doctors, they spend a lot of time and money to get their degree and they deserve to recoup that effort. My dad was a Family practitioner and his sliding scale included produce and barter.
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Well there's one way to reduce costs right there, here we can't sue a doctor unless they are running their own practice. Therefore they won't have to fatten the insurance compainies' wallets.