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Correct. There are 7 buckets, as follows.
Unsafe Driving
Fatigued Driving (Hours of Service)
Driver Fitness
Controlled Substance/Alcohol
Vehicle Maintenance
Cargo-related
Crash Indicator
And you are also correct in that points comparisons can only be compared from the same buckets. But that is with carriers only. Drivers are simply the company liability and drivers with a lot of points are not going to have a job for very long. Company gets rid of a driver with points, that qualifies for their intervention reaction and the company points go down. Driver, though, gets to keep his points, including the multipliers, for 18 months.
There is also a difference in carrier liability and driver liability, meaning that a carrier can get hit with points on an inspection and the driver be OK. Let's take a look at those buckets again.
Unsafe Driving -- 15 out of 16 are driver responsibility
Fatigued Driving (Hours of Service) -- 3 out of 3 are driver responsibility
Driver Fitness -- 15 out of 15 are driver responsibility
Controlled Substance/Alcohol -- 9 out of 11 are driver responsibility
Vehicle Maintenance -- 11 out of 13 are driver responsibility
Cargo-related -- 50 out ot 50 are driver responsibility
Crash Indicator -- subjective...no specific violations, but is actually based on driver history and patterns of high crash involvement. So it will all be on the driver.
So, 103 out of 108 potential violations are solely the driver responsibility, including ALL of the FIFTY cargo-related ones, of which I based my example solely on. Again, the difference in the carriers and drivers is that a carrier can eliminate a driver, thus eliminating the points. The driver cannot do that...he/she is stuck with those points and their multiplyer through the 18 months.
That makes it really hard to keep a job and even harder to get a new job because a new company that hires a driver, automatically inherits whatever points the driver currently has.
In the end, the program will get rid of the unsafe drivers and the fly-by-night operations. But there will be a massive amount of collateral damage, as well, and that's the fear from both drivers and companies.
So, say you're in my situation and got into an accident that's coming up on three years.Originally Posted by Twilight Flyer
No myth about the points. What I posted is verbatim out of the Cargo-related bucket.Correct. There are 7 buckets, as follows.
Unsafe Driving
Fatigued Driving (Hours of Service)
Driver Fitness
Controlled Substance/Alcohol
Vehicle Maintenance
Cargo-related
Crash Indicator
And you are also correct in that points comparisons can only be compared from the same buckets. But that is with carriers only. Drivers are simply the company liability and drivers with a lot of points are not going to have a job for very long. Company gets rid of a driver with points, that qualifies for their intervention reaction and the company points go down. Driver, though, gets to keep his points, including the multipliers, for 18 months.
There is also a difference in carrier liability and driver liability, meaning that a carrier can get hit with points on an inspection and the driver be OK. Let's take a look at those buckets again.
Unsafe Driving -- 15 out of 16 are driver responsibility
Fatigued Driving (Hours of Service) -- 3 out of 3 are driver responsibility
Driver Fitness -- 15 out of 15 are driver responsibility
Controlled Substance/Alcohol -- 9 out of 11 are driver responsibility
Vehicle Maintenance -- 11 out of 13 are driver responsibility
Cargo-related -- 50 out ot 50 are driver responsibility
Crash Indicator -- subjective...no specific violations, but is actually based on driver history and patterns of high crash involvement. So it will all be on the driver.
So, 103 out of 108 potential violations are solely the driver responsibility, including ALL of the FIFTY cargo-related ones, of which I based my example solely on. Again, the difference in the carriers and drivers is that a carrier can eliminate a driver, thus eliminating the points. The driver cannot do that...he/she is stuck with those points and their multiplyer through the 18 months.
That makes it really hard to keep a job and even harder to get a new job because a new company that hires a driver, automatically inherits whatever points the driver currently has.
In the end, the program will get rid of the unsafe drivers and the fly-by-night operations. But there will be a massive amount of collateral damage, as well, and that's the fear from both drivers and companies.
Do they retroactively factor in past accidents from that long ago, or are they going to be smart about it and just keep up with things that occur after the CSA 2010 thing goes into effect?
And also, doesn't anyone think these regs will be enforceable as an individual "state discretion"., a'la "truck-friendly state" being more lenient than a "non-truck friendly state"?
After living in California for so long, I could see the level of anti-trucker animosity going through the roof here, especially in the heavily scale-concentrated, Bay Area.