I came off OTR in Oct. '05 and went local when the new HOS rules started so I didn't read up on them too much. Last night a co-worker and me were talking about HOS and he said you can't WORK past the 14. I said you can keep working past the 14 as long as you don't drive, but you MUST take the required 10 hr break before driving again. So tell me, did the rule change in '05 ?

your right, you cannot drive past the 14th hour even if you have not used your 11 hours. You can work as long as you want and then you cannot drive until you get your 10 break.

In Texas, running intrastate, you can work/drive an extra 2 hours once, for every 70 hour restart.
Not sure how other states are.

If you are a 100 mile radius driver and are interstate, you can use a 16 hour exemption once per duty tour. If you are an intrastate 100 mile radius driver, I believe the stricter of the state or federal laws apply. For example, New York allows driving up to the 15th hour after an 8 hours off duty as many times per duty tour as you can as long as you don't go over the 60/70 hour limit. So in New York the stricter of the two would be 15 hours once per duty tour after 10 hours off duty.



http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...#_Toc111021251

Too many exceptions to the 14 hour rule. Bosses keep getting them mixed up, and thinking that you can split it up with a 2 hour break. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you are OTR, you have 14 hours to complete your day from which you start. So if you begin at 6:00 am, you got until 8:00pm to complete your 11 hours worth of driving. Is this correct?

Yes.... You can not drive after the 14th hour since coming on duty until you take your break.

Actually, there is only one exception besides the emergency/adverse condition one... which we won't discuss! :wink:

That one exception is the 8 hour sleeper berth break. So, your boss is mistaken, a 2 hour break doesn't extend it. And your example is correct UNLESS you split log and/or take an 8 hour S/B break within that 14 hours. If you do, then you add the hours in the sleeper (8 or more, but less than 10) to the ending point of your day.

One minor point that some miss is that, you CAN "stop the clock" with an 8 hour S/B break, and then shut down for a full 10 at the end of your "extended" day.

Didn't someone already say this? :roll:

Yup. Unless you split the sleeper, and take the 8 consecutive hours first, in which case you have until 4:00 am to complete your 11 hours. Then you gotta take another 2, and can drive for 11 more hours minus the hours you drove on the other side of the 2 hour sleeper break.

And as far as the adverse driving conditions go, golfhobo, they don't extend the 14 hour clock. So there. :P

The Rev spoke:


ops: Ooops!!! ops: You're absolutely correct, Sir!! I was reading 14 hour and thinking 11 hour!! My BAD!!! :lol: :lol:

I had to agree to disagree with my dispatcher tonight about this.
i haul fuel, and i wanted to verify if i could log my post trip and fuel after the 14th hour as line 4. he said, no, it all had to be within 14 hours. I didn't say I disagreed, but I said, okay, i'll play it your way.
if these people wouldn't be running me 560 miles with a single 100 gallon tank every day, i wouldn't have to ask these kinds of questions :/
Also, i seem to use my 16 hour exception on a regular basis here, and i was trying not to have to use it for a 15 minute fuel stop. It's not like I picked the equipment or the load or the route, but yet I feel like I'm the one who has to take the heat.