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-   -   Has there been a recent crackdown on logs? (https://www.classadrivers.com/forum/rules-regulations-dac-oh-my/37910-has-there-been-recent-crackdown-logs.html)

lowrange 05-19-2009 02:09 PM
Originally Posted by Creek Jackson (Post 450774)
My guess would be is that most companies don't retain them beyond what is required by law. Larger carriers scan paper logs into a database, then they shuck the paper. How they periodically expunge the database I am not sure.

You might try gently asking how long your company keeps daily logs.:lol:
No need to be gentle, they know the deal. They don't want me calling up to have my delivery time moved back anymore than I want to be calling- though, they never said that and you can't prove it- a little Bart Simpson thinking going on there.

GMAN 05-20-2009 01:09 AM
I don't think they can go back 10 years for an audit. I don't think the IRS can go back more than 7 years when they do an audit. I can't imagine any agency being able to go back further than the IRS. It doesn't sound right to me.

dobry4u 05-20-2009 02:45 AM
Originally Posted by GMAN (Post 450826)
I don't think they can go back 10 years for an audit. I don't think the IRS can go back more than 7 years when they do an audit. I can't imagine any agency being able to go back further than the IRS. It doesn't sound right to me.
In cases of proven fraud there is no limitation.

matcat 05-20-2009 07:33 AM
If the paperwork is available, and they have the time to go through it, they will :). I keep only my last 8 days on me, the rest get stuffed away far far away.

Jumbo 05-20-2009 01:42 PM
They went back 10 years and only found 25 fraudulant logs? He sure wasnt a supertrucker.

matcat 05-20-2009 01:44 PM
Originally Posted by Jumbo (Post 450870)
They went back 10 years and only found 25 fraudulant logs? He sure wasnt a supertrucker.
Ha, they would be lucky to find 25 accurate logs on me... :deal::zzz:

GMAN 05-20-2009 10:40 PM
Originally Posted by dobry4u (Post 450833)
In cases of proven fraud there is no limitation.

I am not sure how you would prove fraud without the documents. I don't think the government can prosecute anyone for criminal activity after 7 years with current statute of limitations laws other than murder.

chris1 05-21-2009 12:03 AM
Originally Posted by GMAN (Post 450899)
I am not sure how you would prove fraud without the documents. I don't think the government can prosecute anyone for criminal activity after 7 years with current statute of limitations laws other than murder.
Statute of limitations does not apply to the IRS for a false or fraudulent tax return with the intent to evade any tax.

stonefly 05-21-2009 06:28 AM
Originally Posted by lowrange (Post 450756)

I won't be happy if I end up staring at the ceiling of my sleeper until my watch says I can go.
Are you interested in helping on an effort to overturn regulations requiring you to do so?



stonefly

Myth_Buster 05-21-2009 05:37 PM
Originally Posted by Creek Jackson (Post 450755)
10 years? Who would keep 10 years worth of logs around? Carriers are only required to keep them 6 months.

No, carriers may only be cited under the safety regulations for six months. Logs must be kept per Part 379:

Appendix A to Part 379—Schedule of records and periods of retention

K. SUPPORTING DATA FOR REPORTS AND STATISTICS

2. Supporting data for periodical reports of accidents, inspections, tests, hours of service, repairs, etc. 3 years.
Part 379: Preservation of records

Be safe.


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