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belpre122 12-22-2008 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by vavega (Post 429803)
EOBR's? ok bel, get out of your guvamint mode and tell me what that stands for.

electronic overtheroad billybig riggers? ;) :D

LOL vega! No in that particular case EOBR = Kevin0915 :clap:

Windwalker 12-23-2008 03:20 AM


Originally Posted by belpre122 (Post 429380)
Sooner.........rather than later. It's going to be one helluva a wake up call for these criminals.

My good friend (a deputy sheriff) sees it all. Including recently:

A driver that had the nerve to show him a log book which showed that the driver was in Little Rock, AR, just 4 hours previous to this traffic stop in Indianapolis.

He recently witnessed at 53' van driver make an illegal u-turn, and initiated a traffic stop. The driver was from Poland. Was driving out of California. Spoke no English......and oh yeah, no CDL, or valid US drivers license of any type.
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Yep Myth_Buster, they think that it is all fun and games. Yee Haw! Straight out of the tune "Convoy." Until it all goes horribly and irretrievably wrong in a flash. Then they expect mercy in front of the judge. Same play.....just different actors.

The sooner that EOBRs are mandatory for all CMVs, the better. EOBRs might only be a small step, but they are a step in the right direction.

I will support EOBRs, but only when they include a video loop that will show the activities of surrounding traffic. Until then, they can put them where the sun does not shine. Evidence that can be used in court when a 4-wheeler tries to pass just before a construction zone and runs into the concrete wall, then tries to sue the carrier and driver for damages as a result of the insane and suicidal meneuver he/she tried, and things like that. Additional benefit beyond compliance.

Orangetxguy 12-23-2008 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by Windwalker (Post 430202)
I will support EOBRs, but only when they include a video loop that will show the activities of surrounding traffic. Until then, they can put them where the sun does not shine. Evidence that can be used in court when a 4-wheeler tries to pass just before a construction zone and runs into the concrete wall, then tries to sue the carrier and driver for damages as a result of the insane and suicidal meneuver he/she tried, and things like that. Additional benefit beyond compliance.



There are several Private Carriers out there that are running just such systems WW. Unfortunately they are using them more to "hammer on" the drivers of the trucks, than they are to educate or "hammer on" outside offenders.

I have a friend that was working at ARCO/BP in Seattle until last year, when they installed that system. He was called into the Truck Boss' office about three weeks after tha system was installed and repromanded for cursing during a hard braking occurance..due to a SUV short braking him at highway speed. James got upset over the reprimand...and flipped off the camera and cursed into it while doing his pretrip. His rant was directed at the "Hewitt" employee in Houston whom had reviewed the tape, and forwarded her disapproval of the cursing during the hard brake episode.

James was fired after he drove around to the load rack...because "Hewitt" was watching him live as he did the pretrip. CS-BS at it's finest. If BP wants Nuns delivering their fuel...they better fill all those "Outside Carrier" trucks that they are contracting with for fuel delivery, with Nuns.

Sentinel Transportation is another private carrier that is installing that system. I think I saw a multi-camera set-up, in some Wal-Mart trucks out in CA a couple weeks ago...but I'm not certain.

belpre122 12-23-2008 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by Windwalker (Post 430202)
I will support EOBRs, but only when they include a video loop that will show the activities of surrounding traffic. Until then, they can put them where the sun does not shine. Evidence that can be used in court when a 4-wheeler tries to pass just before a construction zone and runs into the concrete wall, then tries to sue the carrier and driver for damages as a result of the insane and suicidal meneuver he/she tried, and things like that. Additional benefit beyond compliance.

I'm with ya there WW. A friend of mine wrote a statement on behalf of a BP driver not too long ago regarding a situation very similar to the one you mention above. Of course, none of this could be seen with the on board camera system. The driver from another company wrote a statement and the BP driver was absolved of any wrongdoing. So much good that did for him..............BP Indianapolis gave all of their drivers pink slips about 2 weeks ago...........all of their trucks are now gone, along with the drivers.

belpre122 12-23-2008 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by Orangetxguy (Post 430255)
I think I saw a multi-camera set-up, in some Wal-Mart trucks out in CA a couple weeks ago...but I'm not certain.

How can we ever forget this Wal-Mart on-board footage?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS00hb3zsVU

zipy46 12-25-2008 07:52 AM

come to think of it...the Black Box might put a stop on those dispatchers that wont let up when you say

you are out of hours and cannot make the pickup by the time given.

It would reinforce 'No' to actually mean 'No' :)

That Donner crash was ugly !!!!!!!!!!!

golfhobo 12-27-2008 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by belpre122 (Post 430143)
Wow Golfhobo! You really are out of touch. I'm glad that I took the time to read on through and see where Myth_Buster straightened you out.

If you doubt the two stories that I put forth above. I issue an open invitation for you to come up here any time. Not only to meet my best friend "the deputy." But I am also sure that he would be more than happy to take you on a 'ride-along' for a shift. After a shift riding with him, I would love to hear say that you don't believe his stories.

You are bunk Golfhobo! Go back to your Line 5 pursuits!:p

BUNK?? :lol: Wow...what a lexicon you have! ;)

MythBuster has YET to "straighten me out" on anything I've questioned him on. Most of his answers are OFF TOPIC, confusing, and unrelated. I DO have a certain respect for him, but I am not yet impressed.

As for your "best friend" the deputy.... I didn't mean to get personal. I just know I've heard as many "stories" from them as I have heard from truckers.... some on THIS board. As for meeting him, I fear he might be a buzzkill during our line 5 time. ;)

But, I would love to do a "ride-along" with him. Unfortunately, I fear that when it was over, HE may be much more confused or skeptical than I. I'm not really sure he is "UP TO IT." :lol:

Seriously Bell, I would LOVE the chance to spend a day or less with an LEO on the road. I believe we would have MUCH to talk about, and I'm sure that when it was over, we would BOTH have learned something! Assuming, of course, that he could MANAGE to have an open mind. To START with, I would like to know why he doesn't pull drivers who break the law by not using headlights whenever they use wipers! IMHO, possibly the most dangerous of ALL activities that 4wheelers do!

In fact, why don't YOU ask him that, BEl? And get back to me with the "bunk" he gives you for an anwer!

As for the "invitation," I WILL make it a point someday SOON! I would love to meet you (and your friends.) But, I'm waiting until you guys clear the roads up there! :lol2:

Rev.Vassago 12-27-2008 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by golfhobo (Post 431012)

MythBuster has YET to "straighten me out" on anything I've questioned him on. Most of his answers are OFF TOPIC, confusing, and unrelated. I DO have a certain respect for him, but I am not yet impressed.

He isn't here to "impress" you. He is simply here to pass on his legitimate knowledge of the FMCSA regs, since he has enforced those regs far longer than you have driven a truck.

Double R 12-27-2008 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago (Post 431015)
He isn't here to "impress" you. He is simply here to pass on his legitimate knowledge of the FMCSA regs, since he has enforced those regs far longer than you have driven a truck.

But the question is: Is Mythbuster enforcing the regs or the SPIRIT of the regs?:D:lol:

Rev.Vassago 12-27-2008 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by Double R (Post 431039)
But the question is: Is Mythbuster enforcing the regs or the SPIRIT of the regs?:D:lol:

I bet it depends upon what time of the year it is. Around Halloween, I bet the "spirit" runs rampant. Of course, if he is on line 5, I suppose those "spirits" could play a part as well.


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