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Logging in the Suburbs
Quick question on logging. We have a suburb of Tulsa that grew so quickly that the city of Tulsa was asked to annex it. This was for Fire and Police protection as is my understanding. This town is located on the south side of Tulsa, requiring us to drive the entire way across Tulsa to get to it. How do I log it? I know its Bixby, you pass several businesses that say Bixby. But computer and paperwork say Tulsa. Similar situation in Wichita. Is this one of those "either will be fine" situations? Take a nice hit on the miles too.
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Technically and legally you should log the location of your stop as whatever the physical address is of the place you are stopping at. If you are unsure ask the shipping/receiving clerk. If you are concerned about logs not matching freight bills you can always add the city the bills say in parenthesis, ie Bixby (Tulsa), Ok.
Since city limits can get confusing in metro areas you won't get nailed to the wall by logging it to the best of your knowledge. There have been places I have been to where the office is in "Smith" at the front of the building but the warehouse at the back of the plant is in "Jones". Now how is that for a brain teaser. :eek1: |
Just log it however works to your advantage. It's doubtful it'll ever come up in an audit either way but if so just act dumb and say "ok"
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Originally Posted by rkeck
(Post 420835)
Just log it however works to your advantage. It's doubtful it'll ever come up in an audit either way but if so just act dumb and say "ok"
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Originally Posted by okie
(Post 420753)
Quick question on logging.
Originally Posted by okie
(Post 420753)
We have a suburb of Tulsa that grew so quickly that the city of Tulsa was asked to annex it. This was for Fire and Police protection as is my understanding. This town is located on the south side of Tulsa, requiring us to drive the entire way across Tulsa to get to it.
I have been round and round with the folks on this board, as well as the professional "compliance" experts that are highly paid to deliver safety seminars at my company. To date, none of the above have been able and/or willing to tie themselves to a definite answer to the question of how to log metro areas. So therefore...................
Originally Posted by okie
(Post 420753)
How do I log it? I know its Bixby, you pass several businesses that say Bixby. But computer and paperwork say Tulsa. Similar situation in Wichita. Is this one of those "either will be fine" situations? Take a nice hit on the miles too.
Just ask any of the OTR pundits here.............................................. ....;) Ex..........The Indianapolis Motor Speedway is actually in Speedway, Indiana...............not Indianapolis.:thumbsup: |
Originally Posted by Double R
(Post 420837)
Ya, just log it illegal like he said.:thumbsdown:
It's people like you that have made this profession more of a hassle than it needs to be. Lighten up. |
Wow, Tulsa must really be getting "big time".
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Originally Posted by rkeck
(Post 420897)
Based on what would he be logging it illegal logging it Tulsa? The way I see it he's right to log it Tulsa .. or Bixby. When neither will get you cited if push comes to shove, why not use the one that works to your advantage?
It's people like you that have made this profession more of a hassle than it needs to be. Lighten up. Just log it however works to your advantage. just act dumb and say "ok" 2)Playing "DUMB" is not an excuse. Learn the regs! It's people like YOU that make this industry the disgrace that it is today! LIGHTEN UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
South Chicago is not Chicago, Ford Heights is not Chciago, Bixby is not Tulsa.
Look at your street map... If you're on Memorial Drive and turn east on 146th Street then most likely you're in Bixby. Use your resources make an educated guess and be prepared to justify your reasoning.... Provided the reasoning has merit then you have justification in your logging practices. EORBs use satellite tracking and longitude latitude references for positioning... EORBs are looming on the horizon, those who get creative in their logging will most likely be the first to experience EORBs, those who log it as they drive it will be the last to experience EOBRs. Your choice. Be safe. |
Originally Posted by Double R
(Post 421000)
Here lies the problem with your answer:
and 1)Log what the BOL says the town and/or city is. 2)Playing "DUMB" is not an excuse. Learn the regs! It's people like YOU that make this industry the disgrace that it is today! LIGHTEN UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And as a veteran trucker you should know that most companies do not use their physical address on the bills. More times than not it is a convienent address that the white shirts use for mail. |
Originally Posted by jegzus
(Post 421159)
WOW...you might want to actually get in a truck and make a few deliveries before your armchair rig falls apart brother.
And as a veteran trucker you should know that most companies do not use their physical address on the bills. More times than not it is a convienent address that the white shirts use for mail. |
Originally Posted by okie
(Post 420753)
Quick question on logging. We have a suburb of Tulsa that grew so quickly that the city of Tulsa was asked to annex it. This was for Fire and Police protection as is my understanding. This town is located on the south side of Tulsa, requiring us to drive the entire way across Tulsa to get to it. How do I log it? I know its Bixby, you pass several businesses that say Bixby. But computer and paperwork say Tulsa. Similar situation in Wichita. Is this one of those "either will be fine" situations? Take a nice hit on the miles too.
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Originally Posted by Double R
(Post 421193)
Armchair rig? Now THAT is funny. Go do 10-15 stops a day like I do and then tell me I drive a arm chair rig. And that is in a tractor trailer. And just so you know, ALL my BOLs have to have the PHYSICAL delivery address on them. Without the address, they get no product!
For guys like us who deliver to small companies they do use the physical address. But many large companies to not, which is has been my experience in the past. |
Originally Posted by Myth_Buster
(Post 421064)
South Chicago is not Chicago, Ford Heights is not Chciago, Bixby is not Tulsa.
Look at your street map... If you're on Memorial Drive and turn east on 146th Street then most likely you're in Bixby. Use your resources make an educated guess and be prepared to justify your reasoning.... Provided the reasoning has merit then you have justification in your logging practices. EORBs use satellite tracking and longitude latitude references for positioning... EORBs are looming on the horizon, those who get creative in their logging will most likely be the first to experience EORBs, those who log it as they drive it will be the last to experience EOBRs. Your choice. Be safe. we will probably never see complete use of EOBRs as the cost is to prohibitive both in lost revenue for DOT and other LEA and the increase in the cost of shipping. its similar to the war on drugs. no one really wants to win the war as it would cost to much in lost revenue and jobs. we just wanna look like we are trying so we can spend billions and make money with jails, fines, etc etc etc. |
Got Mud says:
we just wanna look like we are trying so we can spend billions and make money with jails, fines, etc etc etc. It's OK Got Mud, its job security for me.... There are a sufficent number of drivers and carriers who disregard the rules and it's not that hard to uncover the truth when you look at all of the facts. In the previous 9 years I can attest to over $1 million in penaties to those who get creative. MB saving the world one carrier at a time. Be safe. |
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Originally Posted by Myth_Buster
(Post 421372)
Got Mud says:
And what of the dirty driver and carrier who falsify their records to make an extra buck or three? It amazes me how many folks try and denie culpability when they're caught red handed and then stutter and stammer as they try and justify the false records. It's OK Got Mud, its job security for me.... There are a sufficent number of drivers and carriers who disregard the rules and it's not that hard to uncover the truth when you look at all of the facts. In the previous 9 years I can attest to over $1 million in penaties to those who get creative. MB saving the world one carrier at a time. Be safe. |
Got Mud:
exactly myth-buster that is my point. why would the powers that be want to lose all that revenue? they don't. i'm not saying its right or wrong. just stating an opinion of why things are the way they are. it makes money. if you really wanted to change things you would be fixing the problems that cause drivers to falsify there logs. contrary to popular belief its not always greed. shippers and recievers taking for ever to load and unload. limited parking and facilities etc etc. Regarding falsification, the DOT gives carriers 10% for management, IOW, if I look at 150 days of logs and there are 10 violations the false logs have no impact on the carrier's rating. On the other hand if there are 150 days examined and 15 vioations are discovered it has an impact on the carrier's safety rating. Regarding the situation of shippers and carriers taking forever to load.... The driver feels pressured to falsify their log to hide the waiting time that affected their 14 hour rule. The pressure the driver felt is because many drivers are paid by the mile and the time waiting is lost revenue. For the hourly driver they falsify to ensure they don't exceed the 14 hour rule. Not to disagree but I've seen false logs by hourly workers and mile workers... It all boils back down to money. Carriers allow drivers to falsify their records to ensure their customers remain satisfied and freight is delivered on-time. Do some carriers expect too much of their drivers? Yes, do some driver follow Larry the Cable Guy's mentality of "Get-er-done." Yes. Does the violation of the safety regs potentially put human life at stake... Yes. I've participated in three NTSB investigations and two criminal investigations, my comments and concerns are based on drivers who made a bad choice and faced severe consequences later, i.e. jail time. It's the driver's choice, however, the driver needs to heavily weigh the consequences before doing something stupid because when things go south their freedom weighs in the balance. Be safe. |
Originally Posted by belpre122
(Post 421391)
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Originally Posted by golfhobo
(Post 421453)
I disagree, Bel! How can you MAKE such a stoopid statement?? I may just have to slam your rep for this! :lol2::lol2:
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Originally Posted by Myth_Buster
(Post 421433)
Got Mud:
It's all perception GM, the LEO sees equipment with poor maintenance and it is assumed the lack of maintenance is money related. It's common knowledge that safety is first to take a hit as the belt tightens as safety has no return. Regarding falsification, the DOT gives carriers 10% for management, IOW, if I look at 150 days of logs and there are 10 violations the false logs have no impact on the carrier's rating. On the other hand if there are 150 days examined and 15 vioations are discovered it has an impact on the carrier's safety rating. Regarding the situation of shippers and carriers taking forever to load.... The driver feels pressured to falsify their log to hide the waiting time that affected their 14 hour rule. The pressure the driver felt is because many drivers are paid by the mile and the time waiting is lost revenue. For the hourly driver they falsify to ensure they don't exceed the 14 hour rule. Not to disagree but I've seen false logs by hourly workers and mile workers... It all boils back down to money. Carriers allow drivers to falsify their records to ensure their customers remain satisfied and freight is delivered on-time. Do some carriers expect too much of their drivers? Yes, do some driver follow Larry the Cable Guy's mentality of "Get-er-done." Yes. Does the violation of the safety regs potentially put human life at stake... Yes. I've participated in three NTSB investigations and two criminal investigations, my comments and concerns are based on drivers who made a bad choice and faced severe consequences later, i.e. jail time. It's the driver's choice, however, the driver needs to heavily weigh the consequences before doing something stupid because when things go south their freedom weighs in the balance. Be safe. Mandated EOBRs are about to put an end to much of the tomfoolery. These so called "professionals" should be welcoming these changes in the name of safety alone.................. EOBR technology, contrary to what has been stated, is not expensive, and is even available to parents interested in monitoring the activities of their children in POVs. EOBRs will be a huge step towards putting an end to the rampage of the most dangerous criminal in the United States..........The sleepy, non-compliant, unsafe CMV driver. If the driver wants to be regarded as a professional, the driver must be monitored and regulated as a professional. Out with the riff-raff!! |
Originally Posted by belpre122
(Post 421467)
These so called "professionals" should be welcoming these changes in the name of safety alone..................
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Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
(Post 421524)
Screw the safety. I welcome the change in the name of better rates.
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thanks
I think I like the simple ... Bixby(Tulsa) entryThanks all for the input.
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Reading the original post I think he is a local delivery driver so unless this Bixby is over a hundred miles from the yard he doesn't need to log anything anyway.
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Originally Posted by Walking Eagle
(Post 421735)
Reading the original post I think he is a local delivery driver so unless this Bixby is over a hundred miles from the yard he doesn't need to log anything anyway.
Additionally, if I understand correctly. If you are using the the 100 Air Mile Radius logging method, you are limited to a 12 hour shift. Traditional logging will allow you to operate for the full 14 hours. (including utilizing the 16 Hour Short-Haul exception) |
Originally Posted by belpre122
(Post 421762)
Depends on company policy. I haven't been more than 100 miles from the yard for a couple of years, yet am required to keep a full logbook.
Additionally, if I understand correctly. If you are using the the 100 Air Mile Radius logging method, you are limited to a 12 hour shift. Traditional logging will allow you to operate for the full 14 hours. (including utilizing the 16 Hour Short-Haul exception) I haven't read the reg's in a while...so I COULD BE WRONG...BUT.....You gotz ta log everythng youz do Gary...because of the weird red thingy on the four sides of your cargo tank...the one that has the little campfire thingy and the black numberz....1203. I'm pretty sure they beat that into our headz back in the day az the reazon we-unz had to log every thingy we-unz did. :moon::moon::moon: Now....On a more serious note. WHEN you are logging in the suburbs, are you required to have any special work permits? DO you have to have any special safety equipment for falling objects? Does the chainsaw have to have a special type muffler to mitigate noise while logging?? :clap::clap::clap: :lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2: |
Originally Posted by Orangetxguy
(Post 422477)
I haven't read the reg's in a while...so I COULD BE WRONG...BUT.....You gotz ta log everythng youz do Gary...because of the weird red thingy on the four sides of your cargo tank...the one that has the little campfire thingy and the black numberz....1203. I'm pretty sure they beat that into our headz back in the day az the reazon we-unz had to log every thingy we-unz did.
:moon::moon::moon:
Originally Posted by Orangetxguy
(Post 422477)
Now....On a more serious note.
WHEN you are logging in the suburbs, are you required to have any special work permits? DO you have to have any special safety equipment for falling objects? Does the chainsaw have to have a special type muffler to mitigate noise while logging?? :clap::clap::clap: :lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2: Gotta go Stan. Running to Crawfordsville, reload, and then to Kokomo. Then..........back HOME.:bow::moon: It's a tough life Stan. Somebody has to do it though!:lol: Be back in a few hours..................... |
Originally Posted by belpre122
(Post 422490)
Gotta go Stan. Running to Crawfordsville, reload, and then to Kokomo. Then..........back HOME.:bow::moon:
It's a tough life Stan. Somebody has to do it though!:lol: Be back in a few hours..................... I'm headed to Belle WV. DuPont called in an emergency order friday afternoon...the rate was so good...I couldn't say no. :tears::tears::tears::tears: Damn them big companies and their deep pockets! I was gonna take a few more days off...like that SLACKER that works fer Superior carriers!! :hellno::hellno::hellno::hellno: :lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2: |
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