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KC0IV, I apologize if you took that to mean you, by the time I had gotten to that point in the message, it had basically become general in nature. That post started directed towards you, at the statment regarding the when and where, which was in the original post. And I did place the (whoever), which was meant to direct to those that it would apply to.
I try not to imply that anyone does anything illegal, until that point were they have basically incriminated themselves or admitted to wrongdoing. As far as the PA law or whether or not the feds were involved, I have no idea, like I said, I was waived through the checkpoint and not inspected, thus did not have the oppurtunity to ask. I personally saw the confiscated equipment on the back of a PennDot Truck next to the inspection area. The article in the paper that I read was in actual print, so I made the mistake (I suppose) of assuming it would be in their online archive. I far as binary and morse code, your statements and fact make since, but, no matter how you stack it, Morse Code has been credited as being the first form of digital communication, regardless of current definitions. I cannot find the article copy, but an article printed in QST magazine, back in the '60's referenced Morse Code as being the first digital form of communication. That was my only point, it is the grandfather to what is known as digital today. Another note, I draft and sent an e-mail to the FCC Enforcement Division today, referencing several issues that have been brought up on this and other threads. With any luck I will receive a response in a few days, and will be happy to share the findings. They have come down hard on radio shops over the last year or so for selling non-type accepted radios and/or making modifications to such radios. I suppose the fixed targets are easier to enforce than the moving ones. There are several references on the FCC Enforcement site, but make note, there is a disclaimer on the site stating, that not all current, pending or past actions are posted on the site. This may well explain the lack of information regarding actions against individuals or companies. |
MY intent is, first of all, to imform the drivers that there is something wrong, and that the use of the "10 Meter" radios actually violates the law. Many people have been led down a primrose path to believe that there is a "freeband" or "extra" channels for CBers to use as they see fit. They have rationalized this as "OK since them people ain't using them channels nowhow". This is NOT true. The facts are:
1. ALL operators of any kind of radio transmitters are responsible to READ the rules governing their radio service in which they are engaged. 2. CB Radio is governed by Part 95 of the US Code. FEW CBers bother to read these rules, relying instead on myth and CB legend as to what operators are allowed to do. 3. Shops sell the "10 Meter 'Amateur' Radios" because of the lure of "extra channels and more power. They are, in fact, illegal to SELL or to USE by unlicensed operators ON the CB band, and illegal to use ON the actual 10 Meter band without a valid license issued by FCC. 4. Operators, seeking the quiet channel, the exclusive channel, the "truckers' channel", then use their 'band' switches to find their way up into the 10 Meter band, the most popular frequency being 28.085 using the AM mode. 5. Licensed operators hear these operators, usually truck drivers because it so happens that the radios are more likely to be promoted and sold in truck stops, and begin to "lay" for these drivers by observing, recording, and reporting their transmissions to FCC. 6. Companies then get warned to stop their drivers from engaging in this practice. Without arguing how often drivers get caught, how often they may or may not have been fined, the odds are that eventually YOU will be caught transmitting on frequencies on which you have NO business. Yes, it is a gamble. Is the gamble worth taking? You never know if one of the legitimate users of 10 meters is listening or quietly driving along beside you documenting your activity! You will NEVER even KNOW you have been targeted until you get the letter. The best course of action for the users of these illegal radios AND illegal (for you) frequencies is to cease operating there and return to the legal 40 CB frequencies! You can get away with a LOT within those channels so long as you don't splatter onto the nearby spectrum! It is when you are found outside the legal 40 that you are likely to get popped!~ RR |
Originally Posted by RadioRay
MY intent is, first of all, to imform the drivers that there is something wrong, and that the use of the "10 Meter" radios actually violates the law. Many people have been led down a primrose path to believe that there is a "freeband" or "extra" channels for CBers to use as they see fit. They have rationalized this as "OK since them people ain't using them channels nowhow". This is NOT true. The facts are:
1. ALL operators of any kind of radio transmitters are responsible to READ the rules governing their radio service in which they are engaged. 2. CB Radio is governed by Part 95 of the US Code. FEW CBers bother to read these rules, relying instead on myth and CB legend as to what operators are allowed to do. 3. Shops sell the "10 Meter 'Amateur' Radios" because of the lure of "extra channels and more power. They are, in fact, illegal to SELL or to USE by unlicensed operators ON the CB band, and illegal to use ON the actual 10 Meter band without a valid license issued by FCC. 4. Operators, seeking the quiet channel, the exclusive channel, the "truckers' channel", then use their 'band' switches to find their way up into the 10 Meter band, the most popular frequency being 28.085 using the AM mode. 5. Licensed operators hear these operators, usually truck drivers because it so happens that the radios are more likely to be promoted and sold in truck stops, and begin to "lay" for these drivers by observing, recording, and reporting their transmissions to FCC. 6. Companies then get warned to stop their drivers from engaging in this practice. Without arguing how often drivers get caught, how often they may or may not have been fined, the odds are that eventually YOU will be caught transmitting on frequencies on which you have NO business. Yes, it is a gamble. Is the gamble worth taking? You never know if one of the legitimate users of 10 meters is listening or quietly driving along beside you documenting your activity! You will NEVER even KNOW you have been targeted until you get the letter. The best course of action for the users of these illegal radios AND illegal (for you) frequencies is to cease operating there and return to the legal 40 CB frequencies! You can get away with a LOT within those channels so long as you don't splatter onto the nearby spectrum! It is when you are found outside the legal 40 that you are likely to get popped!~ RR we get it already |
Originally Posted by Fredog
Originally Posted by RadioRay
MY intent is, first of all, to imform the drivers that there is something wrong, and that the use of the "10 Meter" radios actually violates the law. Many people have been led down a primrose path to believe that there is a "freeband" or "extra" channels for CBers to use as they see fit. They have rationalized this as "OK since them people ain't using them channels nowhow". This is NOT true. The facts are:
1. ALL operators of any kind of radio transmitters are responsible to READ the rules governing their radio service in which they are engaged. 2. CB Radio is governed by Part 95 of the US Code. FEW CBers bother to read these rules, relying instead on myth and CB legend as to what operators are allowed to do. 3. Shops sell the "10 Meter 'Amateur' Radios" because of the lure of "extra channels and more power. They are, in fact, illegal to SELL or to USE by unlicensed operators ON the CB band, and illegal to use ON the actual 10 Meter band without a valid license issued by FCC. 4. Operators, seeking the quiet channel, the exclusive channel, the "truckers' channel", then use their 'band' switches to find their way up into the 10 Meter band, the most popular frequency being 28.085 using the AM mode. 5. Licensed operators hear these operators, usually truck drivers because it so happens that the radios are more likely to be promoted and sold in truck stops, and begin to "lay" for these drivers by observing, recording, and reporting their transmissions to FCC. 6. Companies then get warned to stop their drivers from engaging in this practice. Without arguing how often drivers get caught, how often they may or may not have been fined, the odds are that eventually YOU will be caught transmitting on frequencies on which you have NO business. Yes, it is a gamble. Is the gamble worth taking? You never know if one of the legitimate users of 10 meters is listening or quietly driving along beside you documenting your activity! You will NEVER even KNOW you have been targeted until you get the letter. The best course of action for the users of these illegal radios AND illegal (for you) frequencies is to cease operating there and return to the legal 40 CB frequencies! You can get away with a LOT within those channels so long as you don't splatter onto the nearby spectrum! It is when you are found outside the legal 40 that you are likely to get popped!~ RR we get it already |
Originally Posted by greg3564
Originally Posted by Fredog
Originally Posted by RadioRay
MY intent is, first of all, to imform the drivers that there is something wrong, and that the use of the "10 Meter" radios actually violates the law. Many people have been led down a primrose path to believe that there is a "freeband" or "extra" channels for CBers to use as they see fit. They have rationalized this as "OK since them people ain't using them channels nowhow". This is NOT true. The facts are:
1. ALL operators of any kind of radio transmitters are responsible to READ the rules governing their radio service in which they are engaged. 2. CB Radio is governed by Part 95 of the US Code. FEW CBers bother to read these rules, relying instead on myth and CB legend as to what operators are allowed to do. 3. Shops sell the "10 Meter 'Amateur' Radios" because of the lure of "extra channels and more power. They are, in fact, illegal to SELL or to USE by unlicensed operators ON the CB band, and illegal to use ON the actual 10 Meter band without a valid license issued by FCC. 4. Operators, seeking the quiet channel, the exclusive channel, the "truckers' channel", then use their 'band' switches to find their way up into the 10 Meter band, the most popular frequency being 28.085 using the AM mode. 5. Licensed operators hear these operators, usually truck drivers because it so happens that the radios are more likely to be promoted and sold in truck stops, and begin to "lay" for these drivers by observing, recording, and reporting their transmissions to FCC. 6. Companies then get warned to stop their drivers from engaging in this practice. Without arguing how often drivers get caught, how often they may or may not have been fined, the odds are that eventually YOU will be caught transmitting on frequencies on which you have NO business. Yes, it is a gamble. Is the gamble worth taking? You never know if one of the legitimate users of 10 meters is listening or quietly driving along beside you documenting your activity! You will NEVER even KNOW you have been targeted until you get the letter. The best course of action for the users of these illegal radios AND illegal (for you) frequencies is to cease operating there and return to the legal 40 CB frequencies! You can get away with a LOT within those channels so long as you don't splatter onto the nearby spectrum! It is when you are found outside the legal 40 that you are likely to get popped!~ RR we get it already |
To continually insult the guy does not help your point, and in fact is quite childish. Try by returning some form of intelligent conversation, or do not reply at all.
Seems you guys reply just to annoy him, thus giving him more reason to prove his point. |
Originally Posted by countryhorseman
To continually insult the guy does not help your point, and in fact is quite childish. Try by returning some form of intelligent conversation, or do not reply at all.
Seems you guys reply just to annoy him, thus giving him more reason to prove his point. |
Originally Posted by Fredog
Originally Posted by countryhorseman
To continually insult the guy does not help your point, and in fact is quite childish. Try by returning some form of intelligent conversation, or do not reply at all.
Seems you guys reply just to annoy him, thus giving him more reason to prove his point. |
Originally Posted by countryhorseman
They have come down hard on radio shops over the last year or so for selling non-type accepted radios and/or making modifications to such radios. I suppose the fixed targets are easier to enforce than the moving ones. There are several references on the FCC Enforcement site, but make note, there is a disclaimer on the site stating, that not all current, pending or past actions are posted on the site. This may well explain the lack of information regarding actions against individuals or companies.
What I can't get through RadioRay's head is the F.C.C. doesn't devote much time to illegal operations. They simply don't have the man-power. As greg3564 showed in his post on Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:45 pm. By in large enforcement amounts to writing a letter as the stats shows. But when you read post by RadioRay one would be lead to believe the F.C.C. is out there in full force and every illegal operation will be caught. Just like the post on Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:19 pm where he says: "the odds are that eventually YOU will be caught transmitting on frequencies on which you have NO business." Which simply isn't true. The other point is RadioRay's postings are limited to nothing but this type of postings on this and other newsgroups. Which really serves no purpose except it gives "ham radio" a bad image by "non-hams." The vast majority of truckers know these radios are illegal. To me a much better approach is to direct these people toward "ham radio." As an example. When people have ask me how to do something that is illegal my normal reply is I'm sorry. I can't give you that type of information since what you want to do is illegal." On the other hand when someone ask me about tuning an antenna or what kind of coax he/she should use, even if I pretty sure it is for a illegal operation, I will give them the information as best as I know. I don't make a big deal about using it for illegal operations. In my opinion I haven't turned off this trucker by a holyer than thou attitude. The illegal modifications of radios for CB operations has gone on for years. I remember, when I worked for a major "ham" dealer back in the '70s, they had several transmitters that had been setup for CB operations. I might add the engineer in charge of the district office ( a license "ham") was a regular customer and was fully aware of these transmitters and never said a word other than it was a shame these transmitters had little market value for "ham" operations. That was back in the era when CBers were using such radios as Johnson Desk Kilowatt and Collins KWS-1. And I wouldn't hazard a guess on how may 100 watt transmitters were converted to CB operations. Back then there was a company in KC that would grind a crystal for putting a transmitter on any frequency the customer wanted. The only thing that has changed is the players and the type of radios being used. kc0iv |
Originally Posted by kc0iv
Originally Posted by countryhorseman
They have come down hard on radio shops over the last year or so for selling non-type accepted radios and/or making modifications to such radios. I suppose the fixed targets are easier to enforce than the moving ones. There are several references on the FCC Enforcement site, but make note, there is a disclaimer on the site stating, that not all current, pending or past actions are posted on the site. This may well explain the lack of information regarding actions against individuals or companies.
What I can't get through RadioRay's head is the F.C.C. doesn't devote much time to illegal operations. They simply don't have the man-power. As greg3564 showed in his post on Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:45 pm. By in large enforcement amounts to writing a letter as the stats shows. But when you read post by RadioRay one would be lead to believe the F.C.C. is out there in full force and every illegal operation will be caught. Just like the post on Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:19 pm where he says: "the odds are that eventually YOU will be caught transmitting on frequencies on which you have NO business." Which simply isn't true. The other point is RadioRay's postings are limited to nothing but this type of postings on this and other newsgroups. Which really serves no purpose except it gives "ham radio" a bad image by "non-hams." The vast majority of truckers know these radios are illegal. To me a much better approach is to direct these people toward "ham radio." As an example. When people have ask me how to do something that is illegal my normal reply is I'm sorry. I can't give you that type of information since what you want to do is illegal." On the other hand when someone ask me about tuning an antenna or what kind of coax he/she should use, even if I pretty sure it is for a illegal operation, I will give them the information as best as I know. I don't make a big deal about using it for illegal operations. In my opinion I haven't turned off this trucker by a holyer than thou attitude. The illegal modifications of radios for CB operations has gone on for years. I remember, when I worked for a major "ham" dealer back in the '70s, they had several transmitters that had been setup for CB operations. I might add the engineer in charge of the district office ( a license "ham") was a regular customer and was fully aware of these transmitters and never said a word other than it was a shame these transmitters had little market value for "ham" operations. That was back in the era when CBers were using such radios as Johnson Desk Kilowatt and Collins KWS-1. And I wouldn't hazard a guess on how may 100 watt transmitters were converted to CB operations. Back then there was a company in KC that would grind a crystal for putting a transmitter on any frequency the customer wanted. The only thing that has changed is the players and the type of radios being used. kc0iv truckers know it's illegal to speed, but a lot of them do it. telling them every day that it's illegal isnt going to stop them.. it's the same thing. when they get caught, they will stop. |
Long time CB'er and skip talker from the mid 70's to early 80's. These post all started by someone letting the trucking drivers know about the FCC WATCHING the 10 meter bands and such. A lot of drivers hear all kind of talk about what is legal and what is not. Everyone is a trucking lawyer at least one time in his or her life. How many times have you been told something that the person said is the law and you did it to find out it was not and you could have been fine. Being glad you didn't get caught. We there is even more dumb CB'ers out there trying to be lawyers and telling young 20 year olds oh this is legal or they could not sell it to you or by from me it's legal. Whatever the reason some will not know. By just saying something is illegal is not enough. Someone will say well that is dumb why is that, at least 2 or 3 in a group of 10. OK they may not say it but think it. Some on here try to bring more info to make others better informed. This radio guy after reading his first post some bashed him from jump. A little known fact if I read it right is when you get your ham license you are also acting on behave of the FCC. Meaning if you knowingly let someone break the FCC law you too can lose your license and be find as well. The FCC use to administer all tests for a ham license now depending on the ham likewise level they are and do administer the test. Ham operators do help enforce ham laws or they can be punished as well.
I could really care less if a CB'er gets find $10,000 if he knew the law but some young adult not knowing and gets find $10,000 with a wife and kid/s thinking it is just a glorified walkie talkie and a no license sounds good enough to be true gets caught well I do mind then. To tell you the truth at this point I can not tell which one looks the stupidest or childish the one that keeps spouting rules or the one responding. I guess after 5 or 6 pages later you can't. :roll: I've been on the CB side for many years running illegal in the early days of my CBing and will possibly now but I am reading to get my ham license not to talk on different frequencies but to learn to make amps and run them legal on those bands. The reason I'm getting into the ham thing after all these years is to build something and then using it legally. Why do something illegal when all you have to do is read a small manual and pass a 35 question test. I guess you truckers would like an in flux of drivers that didn't take the CDL test and get a license driving. Oh what that is what most are calling Mexican drivers from Mexico. Look at it in those lights. 3's and 8's to you I'm gone Have a good day to both sides. |
Originally Posted by utvolsr1
Long time CB'er and skip talker from the mid 70's to early 80's. These post all started by someone letting the trucking drivers know about the FCC WATCHING the 10 meter bands and such. A lot of drivers hear all kind of talk about what is legal and what is not. Everyone is a trucking lawyer at least one time in his or her life. How many times have you been told something that the person said is the law and you did it to find out it was not and you could have been fine. Being glad you didn't get caught. We there is even more dumb CB'ers out there trying to be lawyers and telling young 20 year olds oh this is legal or they could not sell it to you or by from me it's legal. Whatever the reason some will not know. By just saying something is illegal is not enough. Someone will say well that is dumb why is that, at least 2 or 3 in a group of 10. OK they may not say it but think it. Some on here try to bring more info to make others better informed. This radio guy after reading his first post some bashed him from jump. A little known fact if I read it right is when you get your ham license you are also acting on behave of the FCC. Meaning if you knowingly let someone break the FCC law you too can lose your license and be find as well. The FCC use to administer all tests for a ham license now depending on the ham likewise level they are and do administer the test. Ham operators do help enforce ham laws or they can be punished as well.
I could really care less if a CB'er gets find $10,000 if he knew the law but some young adult not knowing and gets find $10,000 with a wife and kid/s thinking it is just a glorified walkie talkie and a no license sounds good enough to be true gets caught well I do mind then. To tell you the truth at this point I can not tell which one looks the stupidest or childish the one that keeps spouting rules or the one responding. I guess after 5 or 6 pages later you can't. :roll: I've been on the CB side for many years running illegal in the early days of my CBing and will possibly now but I am reading to get my ham license not to talk on different frequencies but to learn to make amps and run them legal on those bands. The reason I'm getting into the ham thing after all these years is to build something and then using it legally. Why do something illegal when all you have to do is read a small manual and pass a 35 question test. I guess you truckers would like an in flux of drivers that didn't take the CDL test and get a license driving. Oh what that is what most are calling Mexican drivers from Mexico. Look at it in those lights. 3's and 8's to you I'm gone Have a good day to both sides. |
Originally Posted by Fredog
Originally Posted by utvolsr1
Long time CB'er and skip talker from the mid 70's to early 80's. These post all started by someone letting the trucking drivers know about the FCC WATCHING the 10 meter bands and such. A lot of drivers hear all kind of talk about what is legal and what is not. Everyone is a trucking lawyer at least one time in his or her life. How many times have you been told something that the person said is the law and you did it to find out it was not and you could have been fine. Being glad you didn't get caught. We there is even more dumb CB'ers out there trying to be lawyers and telling young 20 year olds oh this is legal or they could not sell it to you or by from me it's legal. Whatever the reason some will not know. By just saying something is illegal is not enough. Someone will say well that is dumb why is that, at least 2 or 3 in a group of 10. OK they may not say it but think it. Some on here try to bring more info to make others better informed. This radio guy after reading his first post some bashed him from jump. A little known fact if I read it right is when you get your ham license you are also acting on behave of the FCC. Meaning if you knowingly let someone break the FCC law you too can lose your license and be find as well. The FCC use to administer all tests for a ham license now depending on the ham likewise level they are and do administer the test. Ham operators do help enforce ham laws or they can be punished as well.
I could really care less if a CB'er gets find $10,000 if he knew the law but some young adult not knowing and gets find $10,000 with a wife and kid/s thinking it is just a glorified walkie talkie and a no license sounds good enough to be true gets caught well I do mind then. To tell you the truth at this point I can not tell which one looks the stupidest or childish the one that keeps spouting rules or the one responding. I guess after 5 or 6 pages later you can't. :roll: I've been on the CB side for many years running illegal in the early days of my CBing and will possibly now but I am reading to get my ham license not to talk on different frequencies but to learn to make amps and run them legal on those bands. The reason I'm getting into the ham thing after all these years is to build something and then using it legally. Why do something illegal when all you have to do is read a small manual and pass a 35 question test. I guess you truckers would like an in flux of drivers that didn't take the CDL test and get a license driving. Oh what that is what most are calling Mexican drivers from Mexico. Look at it in those lights. 3's and 8's to you I'm gone Have a good day to both sides. |
Originally Posted by Fredog
Originally Posted by utvolsr1
Long time CB'er and skip talker from the mid 70's to early 80's. These post all started by someone letting the trucking drivers know about the FCC WATCHING the 10 meter bands and such. A lot of drivers hear all kind of talk about what is legal and what is not. Everyone is a trucking lawyer at least one time in his or her life. How many times have you been told something that the person said is the law and you did it to find out it was not and you could have been fine. Being glad you didn't get caught. We there is even more dumb CB'ers out there trying to be lawyers and telling young 20 year olds oh this is legal or they could not sell it to you or by from me it's legal. Whatever the reason some will not know. By just saying something is illegal is not enough. Someone will say well that is dumb why is that, at least 2 or 3 in a group of 10. OK they may not say it but think it. Some on here try to bring more info to make others better informed. This radio guy after reading his first post some bashed him from jump. A little known fact if I read it right is when you get your ham license you are also acting on behave of the FCC. Meaning if you knowingly let someone break the FCC law you too can lose your license and be find as well. The FCC use to administer all tests for a ham license now depending on the ham likewise level they are and do administer the test. Ham operators do help enforce ham laws or they can be punished as well.
I could really care less if a CB'er gets find $10,000 if he knew the law but some young adult not knowing and gets find $10,000 with a wife and kid/s thinking it is just a glorified walkie talkie and a no license sounds good enough to be true gets caught well I do mind then. To tell you the truth at this point I can not tell which one looks the stupidest or childish the one that keeps spouting rules or the one responding. I guess after 5 or 6 pages later you can't. :roll: I've been on the CB side for many years running illegal in the early days of my CBing and will possibly now but I am reading to get my ham license not to talk on different frequencies but to learn to make amps and run them legal on those bands. The reason I'm getting into the ham thing after all these years is to build something and then using it legally. Why do something illegal when all you have to do is read a small manual and pass a 35 question test. I guess you truckers would like an in flux of drivers that didn't take the CDL test and get a license driving. Oh what that is what most are calling Mexican drivers from Mexico. Look at it in those lights. 3's and 8's to you I'm gone Have a good day to both sides. If you ignore his post and never fuel the fire it will go out. OK looks good on paper. LOL Like my bosses taught me never argue with an idiot everyone watching will not know the difference. About him adding anything more that might be a blessing. |
Originally Posted by kc0iv
I'd be interest in knowing what grounds A Texas D.O.T.officer could confiscate any radio other than a RADAR detector. Or any other D.O.T. officer. Last time I checked D.O.T.officers were state employee not Federal employees. And in many states their police powers is very limited. I haven't read or heard of the F.C.C. giving police powers to any other office. Maybe you could enlighten us as to where and where this occurred. To "peak and tune" a radio requires a F.C.C. General Radiotelephone Operator License which I have. I think you will find the majority of these shops do not have the required license. kc0iv "You are receiving this email in response to your inquiry to the FCC. During his term of office, President Clinton signed legislation that permits the enforcement of certain CB Radio regulations by state and local authorities. This is now known as PL 106-521. The law authorizes state and localities to enact ordinances prohibiting the use of unauthorized CB equipment - consistent with FCC rules. This includes the use of high-power linear amplifiers or equipment that is not FCC-certified. The Communications Act of 1934, as amended, Sec. 302(f)(1) [excerpt] . . . "a State or local government MAY ENACT A STATUTE OR ORDINANCE that prohibits a violation of the following regulations of the Commission under this section: ''(A) A regulation that prohibits a use of citizens band radio equipment not authorized by the Commission. '' (B) A regulation that prohibits the unauthorized operation of citizens band radio equipment on a frequency between 24 MHz and 35 MHz." [47 U.S.C. 302a] Rep Number : TSR44" Hope this answers the question that was asked by KC0IV, blame it on Clinton again! :D |
Originally Posted by countryhorseman
Hope this answers the question that was asked by KC0IV, blame it on Clinton again! :D
be sure to read the parts written in RED. Near the middle of the page. Well I guess Clinton did do something right. :D kc0iv |
Originally Posted by kc0iv
Originally Posted by countryhorseman
Hope this answers the question that was asked by KC0IV, blame it on Clinton again! :D
be sure to read the parts written in RED. Near the middle of the page. Well I guess Clinton did do something right. :D kc0iv That's just IT! This "fight" is NOT over--not by a dadgum long shot! YES! It is taking a LONG time. There is currently no funding for FCC to do all they would LIKE to do! Don't think they don't WANT to do it; it's just that they must assign priorities in certain order, certain mandates from Congress must be met. The above legislation (of which some localities have taken advantage) was the result of a lot of effort. The truth is, CB radio has gotten out of hand, and the LACK of enforcement has permitted the outlandish practice of splattering amplifiers, so-called "freebanding", and, of course, the filching of the 10 Meter band with illegal radios. If you recall, prior to this law, CBers (and truckers) laughed and mocked, saying, "Why they'll NEVER do this!". 'They'll NEVER fine the sellers!" And, "They'll NEVER bother us CBers!" Yet this law DID come along. FCC DID fine dealers. They HAVE fined CB operators up to $10,000 for their illegal activities, and, yes, some of it has been for out-of-band operating! It is a slow process. Of course, I expect some of us here to ridicule ME; they were doing it BEFORE PL 106-521! But I told folks here and elsewhere it was coming. And it DID! Likewise, the FCC is still working on new sanctions in order to stop the sale of so-called "10 Meter" radios and the operation of them on illegal frequencies. I talked personally to FCC agents who have told me that the actions against outlaw CB operators will increase. Yes, they ARE working on BANS on the "10 Meter" radios AND ways to get local DOT agents involved LEGALLY to stem the flow of these things. After all, they banned radar detectors (not saying drivers don't have them on the sneak), they CAN ban the illegal "10 Meter" radios and set up FINES against drivers who use them. When that will come to pass, I don't know. I DO know that there are people working behind the scenes to get action taken to get CB radio under control. It is a matter of getting ALL the legal details nailed down so some jackleg lawyer can't beat them in court on a technicality. There WILL be things done about this. Just don't know when it will come about. Laugh, ridicule, have fun :) : It doesn't mean there aren't people working diligently behind the scenes to put a hurt on the dealers AND the users of illegal radios. It is a matter of the outlaw radio users who believe they have "rights" to talk on 'them there channels" versus the legitimate, authorized, licensed users of spectrum. Right vs wrong. Right usually prevails. When it doesn't, we ALL suffer, for when the forces of evil (and the theft of radio spectrum is as much a crime as as any other because it creates a problem for other users) win, we suffer a breakdown in moral fiber and character. Each successive "win" for that which is WRONG, eats away at the foundations of law that sustain us and damages society. This curious "theft" of radio resources (which mostly only occurs within the ranks of CB and it's 'outlaw" culture") is the equivilent of someone physically entering YOUR home and taking your groceries, or your money. The outlaw CBer sees this as "harmless" and "I ain't hurtin' anything" when, in fact, he IS taking something from someone else! This is why the above law was passed, this is why there people quietly trying their best to bust up the outlaw's playhouse. We trust that, like PL-106-521, those behind-the-scenes efforts will bear fruit! I believe they WILL; it just isn't happening as fast as we'd like! RR |
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Get yourself a girl, mate. |
RR, I was trying to resolve the issue and put the facts behind it! That last post was un-needed and slightly childish. I hate to say that, as you had a valid point, but now it is time to let it rest.
It is an issue I strongly feel needs more control, but this forum is unfortunately not the place. And even the State and Local governments are shorthanded and funds. Let's let this one rest, and get the backing to fight it on another playing field. The Horseman |
Originally Posted by Twilight Flyer
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Get yourself a girl, mate. |
Got one (wife) and grown daughter. :D
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Maybe you need another daughter then. You're taking this radio thing waaaaay too seriously. That can't be healthy.
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Originally Posted by RadioRay
Got one (wife) and grown daughter. :D
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It's THEIR wallet, not mine!
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Originally Posted by RadioRay
It's THEIR wallet, not mine!
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Originally Posted by RadioRay
That's just IT! This "fight" is NOT over--not by a dadgum long shot! YES! It is taking a LONG time. There is currently no funding for FCC to do all they would LIKE to do!
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Originally Posted by greg3564
Originally Posted by RadioRay
That's just IT! This "fight" is NOT over--not by a dadgum long shot! YES! It is taking a LONG time. There is currently no funding for FCC to do all they would LIKE to do!
But Howard is going to ruin the world, I know he has been on over 30 years and hasnt yet, but just give him time. |
I didn't read all of the posts in this thread but I did read many of them. I didn't see it mentioned that HAMS were basically responsible for developing the technology needed to create cellphones. With the operation of repeaters, duplex transmitting and the like, the cellphone era was born. Also, Channel 19 is the "original chatroom." The similarities are too bold to ignore.
I have one of the outlawed radios and won't be giving it up anytime soon. I don't transmit on anything but 11 meters but I do listen to 10 meters for fun. I behave for the most part....not because of threats of enforcement but because it's the right thing to do. *shrug* |
You do understand that you can be horribly executed and your body given to naked pygmy pilgrims as a sacrafice for resurrecting a Radio Ray thread. Men in black will be by your house shortly. Please go quietly and don't cause a scene. Thank you.
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Eh, terribly sorry. I plead ignorance. I read the TOS and nothing about RadioRay was mentioned. :idea:
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Is Radio Ray anything like Cuba Gooding JR. in the Movie Radio ?
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Eh, terribly sorry. I plead ignorance. |
Wow, definetely a suprise to see this thread resurected from the dead!
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Originally Posted by Twilight Flyer
You do understand that you can be horribly executed and your body given to naked pygmy pilgrims as a sacrafice for resurrecting a Radio Ray thread. Men in black will be by your house shortly. Please go quietly and don't cause a scene. Thank you.
ROTFLMAO: gee whiz, guess I need to trade in this little cobra 148 and get me a 10 meter---- Which would you recommend the Ranger or Galaxy? How about a 75meter? Now, I may be wrong...forgive me....but, doesn't it take 3 radio receivers working together to "triangulate" the position of a radio source??? I would think, if the illegal user was smart enough not to TALK ABOUT what truck he was driving, what highway he was on...his exact location and not racchet jaw for hours at at time....he'd be hard to find....except for that big coiled antenna on the truck. I didn't read all the post(how could I in 2 minutes) but did RadioRay ever tell us if Smith Trucking did anything besides just "chuckle" and claim the ole.....we're not responsible for the personal actions of our drivers---the radios don't belong to us." |
Originally Posted by countryhorseman
Wow, definetely a suprise to see this thread resurected from the dead!
Creek |
[quote="headborg
Now, I may be wrong...forgive me....but, doesn't it take 3 radio receivers working together to "triangulate" the position of a radio source??? I would think, if the illegal user was smart enough not to TALK ABOUT what truck he was driving, what highway he was on...his exact location and not racchet jaw for hours at at time....he'd be hard to find....except for that big coiled antenna on the truck. I didn't read all the post(how could I in 2 minutes) but did RadioRay ever tell us if Smith Trucking did anything besides just "chuckle" and claim the ole.....we're not responsible for the personal actions of our drivers---the radios don't belong to us."[/quote] On the tracking thing, No, it only takes one device these days to track a signal. I can do it quite easily, especially easy on high power transmitters. A little hobby called FoxHunting in the Radio world. As for Smith and their letter, the management at the company made it company policy, to not have anything but box legal radios in their trucks. That came from one of their current drivers, about 2 months ago. The fines are real, trust me. Read my notes on another thread. The states now have the authority to enforce radio laws, and I know for Pennsylvannia is doing it ( my radio was checked last year) and Texas is starting to below San Antonio. The FCC is not the only one you have to watch out for! Have a nice day. Not trying to preach like RR does, just giving you some of the facts. |
ok so; in "fox hunting" you hit the highway tracking signal strength---and you have the advantage with a ungoverned car to overtake a fleeing illegally
strong signal because Freeways are directional ribbons----he's only going north or south/ or east or west. Now, you catch the Tiger by the Tail----but are you law enforcement? what do you do? record the transmission on "your" band and take pictures/video of the driver transmitting on your band. Call ahead and have him stopped? I thought the catch was-- it's legal to own one of these radios. Just not-- legal to "operate" it without a license. I would think--in a court of law--the driver's lawyer would be saying---- but, can you prove it was this man--on this radio. |
I do fox hunting as a hobby, and yes, I can track a stationary or mobile signal. FoxHunting is also a valuable skill in Search and Rescue operations! Also, even though I am not law enforcement, an organization I am a member of can and has been called upon to assist law enforcement in various cases, since some amatuers have better equipment then the local governments.
Although I get highly annoyed, especially when on the East side of Houston, and all the jack off's with the noise toys, I have not had the inclination to find them. There are days I think about it, sure would be enjoyable to clip their coax when they are transmitting and hear the screaming inside when their finals and pills blow. :twisted: An individual can own a 10 meter radio without a license, they cannot transmit without a license! The kicker comes in, and can easily be proven with a confiscated 10 meter radio, that is alleged to have been operating on 11 meter (CB). It is illegal to have a radio that is capable of transmitting on 11 meter, that is not type-approved. With the exception of a couple of 10 meter/Export) radios, most all require a physical change in the radio to be able to recieve/transmit on 11 meter. This is were the fines and confiscations are taking place in Texas. Having the modified radios in the truck/car. Along with dipsticks having a linear amp sitting in plain site on the dash or mounted to the radio. Linears attached to any 11 meter radio are illegal. Like has been posted, the chances of being caught are slim, but it can happen. Oh, try this someday, a simple way to track a loud signal! For those annoying butt's hiding behind the curtain at the truck stops. Disconnect the coax from the antenna, not from the radio, but the antenna on your radio. Drive around the truck stop, and that load mouths signal can easily be pin pointed within 2 or 3 trucks. Then it should not be hard to figure out which one is doing it. Myself and 3 other drivers did this in Amarillo one night. A driver was threatening to blow up the truck stop, and he was serious. We called law enforcement, tracked the truck down, and he was arrested. Upon search of the truck, the law did find the driver had the ability to create an explosive device. Not sure what happened to him, never heard anymore. As for lawyers! Tape recordings, tracking records and testimonies are usually easily upheld, when those few cases do go to court. Most that are caught and fined the minimal fine, pay the fine and never go to court. Again, I am not preaching! Someone asked a question, I am answering it!
Originally Posted by headborg
ok so; in "fox hunting" you hit the highway tracking signal strength---and you have the advantage with a ungoverned car to overtake a fleeing illegally
strong signal because Freeways are directional ribbons----he's only going north or south/ or east or west. Now, you catch the Tiger by the Tail----but are you law enforcement? what do you do? record the transmission on "your" band and take pictures/video of the driver transmitting on your band. Call ahead and have him stopped? I thought the catch was-- it's legal to own one of these radios. Just not-- legal to "operate" it without a license. I would think--in a court of law--the driver's lawyer would be saying---- but, can you prove it was this man--on this radio. |
ROTFLMAO:
gee whiz, guess I need to trade in this little cobra 148 and get me a 10 meter---- Which would you recommend the Ranger or Galaxy? How about a 75meter? Now, I may be wrong...forgive me....but, doesn't it take 3 radio receivers working together to "triangulate" the position of a radio source??? I would think, if the illegal user was smart enough not to TALK ABOUT what truck he was driving, what highway he was on...his exact location and not racchet jaw for hours at at time....he'd be hard to find....except for that big coiled antenna on the truck. I didn't read all the post(how could I in 2 minutes) but did RadioRay ever tell us if Smith Trucking did anything besides just "chuckle" and claim the ole.....we're not responsible for the personal actions of our drivers---the radios don't belong to us."[/quote] (You guys resurrected this thread, not me, OK? :D ) It takes TWO to truly triangulate a signal. The two stations that do the "DF'ing" and the station being hunted. The THREE together = the "triangle". Trucking companies ARE responsible for the actions of their drivers according to DOT regulations. One of those regulations states that, in order to engage in interstate commerce, a truck must comply with ALL local, state AND Federal regulations. This INCLUDES the installation and/or USE of the so-called "10 Meter" radios. Thus, when a complaint is received by FCC, they can indeed go after the company and its drivers. The companies HAVE been VERY cooperative with FCC in having the illegal radios removed from their fleets. They have NO interest in supporting illegal activity of its drivers that have the potential of causing THOUSANDS of dollars in fines to THEM. To learn of this, simply call the man who signs these letters! R. Hollingsworth, FCC Special Counsel for Amateur Enforcement: 1-717-338-2502 or email [email protected]. You will notice that when a company receives one of these letters, Smith included, the letter states the following, "You are 'requested' to call me.....................to discuss this matter". This is NOT a request! It is a direct, mandatory requirement to reply to official FCC correspondence. Failure to do so WILL certainly trigger a fine for that one point alone. It is at this point that the company is instructed to have its drivers REMOVE the illegal equipment and prohibit them in company trucks. It is then a FIRING offense to have any illegal equipment in their trucks. They have, as I said, been VERY cooperative once they become aware that an illegal activity has been occuring in their trucks. It is only "funny" until YOU get caught. There seems to be a kind of "rambo" effect peculiar to CB radio and trucking when someone gets a mike in their hands. The bottom line is simply this: If you think you ARE big and bad, then simply keep your "export" radio ON the CB band. You do NOT have rights, privileges, or immunity to transmit anywhere else than the CB band. Period. It is actually kinda stupid, really; after all, do you REALLY think it would be OK to install a POLICE radio in your truck and jabber? How long do you think that would last? Yet you think (those of you who filch 10 Meters) you have some special privilege to use something you have NO business on! To those who asked how drivers DO get caught, it works like this: The licensed folks who are ASSIGNED those frequencies simply drive along quietly listening to the truckers yapping on THEIR bands. Their AM transmissions stick out like a sore thumb because they usually occur on the lower end of 10 Meters where ONLY morse code, teletype and digital modes are allowed----even for the ham. The hams do NOT talk; the drivers don' t know they are being "stalked". 2. The drivers almost can't HELP talking; after all, they bought the illegal thing for that purpose. 3. They don't know that there's a ham driving along with them. Sooner or later they give away their location and other info that the hams can use to determine which truck is transmitting. The info is then turned into that fellow I mentioned above who sends the company notice to stop the activity. It would be a BAD idea to ignore such a letter because it WILL then trigger actual enforcement action by FCC. They would then force the company to produce the truck and driver at a terminal while instructing them not to tamper with the equipment or tip off the driver. An FCC agent then would visit the terminal for the actual inspection. And someone mentioned 75 Meters. The average CBer would NEVER get it to work. Simply put, you ain't qualified. The antennas are so big, and so "picky", they require special matching, etc, that they would soon give up. I ain't worried about the average CBer muckin' about on 75 Meters. They ain't got the ability, and the ones that DID would get the SAME reception from the licensed folks; they'd hunt him down, document his info, turn it in to "THE MAN". HaHA! And you can forget about your "18 feet of coax curing your 'SWR'sssssssssssssssssssssssss". LMAO! They CAN (and will) get you if they want you! RR |
Originally Posted by RadioRay
ROTFLMAO:
gee whiz, guess I need to trade in this little cobra 148 and get me a 10 meter---- Which would you recommend the Ranger or Galaxy? How about a 75meter? Now, I may be wrong...forgive me....but, doesn't it take 3 radio receivers working together to "triangulate" the position of a radio source??? I would think, if the illegal user was smart enough not to TALK ABOUT what truck he was driving, what highway he was on...his exact location and not racchet jaw for hours at at time....he'd be hard to find....except for that big coiled antenna on the truck. I didn't read all the post(how could I in 2 minutes) but did RadioRay ever tell us if Smith Trucking did anything besides just "chuckle" and claim the ole.....we're not responsible for the personal actions of our drivers---the radios don't belong to us." (You guys resurrected this thread, not me, OK? :D ) It takes TWO to truly triangulate a signal. The two stations that do the "DF'ing" and the station being hunted. The THREE together = the "triangle". Trucking companies ARE responsible for the actions of their drivers according to DOT regulations. One of those regulations states that, in order to engage in interstate commerce, a truck must comply with ALL local, state AND Federal regulations. This INCLUDES the installation and/or USE of the so-called "10 Meter" radios. Thus, when a complaint is received by FCC, they can indeed go after the company and its drivers. The companies HAVE been VERY cooperative with FCC in having the illegal radios removed from their fleets. They have NO interest in supporting illegal activity of its drivers that have the potential of causing THOUSANDS of dollars in fines to THEM. To learn of this, simply call the man who signs these letters! R. Hollingsworth, FCC Special Counsel for Amateur Enforcement: 1-717-338-2502 or email [email protected]. You will notice that when a company receives one of these letters, Smith included, the letter states the following, "You are 'requested' to call me.....................to discuss this matter". This is NOT a request! It is a direct, mandatory requirement to reply to official FCC correspondence. Failure to do so WILL certainly trigger a fine for that one point alone. It is at this point that the company is instructed to have its drivers REMOVE the illegal equipment and prohibit them in company trucks. It is then a FIRING offense to have any illegal equipment in their trucks. They have, as I said, been VERY cooperative once they become aware that an illegal activity has been occuring in their trucks. It is only "funny" until YOU get caught. There seems to be a kind of "rambo" effect peculiar to CB radio and trucking when someone gets a mike in their hands. The bottom line is simply this: If you think you ARE big and bad, then simply keep your "export" radio ON the CB band. You do NOT have rights, privileges, or immunity to transmit anywhere else than the CB band. Period. It is actually kinda stupid, really; after all, do you REALLY think it would be OK to install a POLICE radio in your truck and jabber? How long do you think that would last? Yet you think (those of you who filch 10 Meters) you have some special privilege to use something you have NO business on! To those who asked how drivers DO get caught, it works like this: The licensed folks who are ASSIGNED those frequencies simply drive along quietly listening to the truckers yapping on THEIR bands. Their AM transmissions stick out like a sore thumb because they usually occur on the lower end of 10 Meters where ONLY morse code, teletype and digital modes are allowed----even for the ham. The hams do NOT talk; the drivers don' t know they are being "stalked". 2. The drivers almost can't HELP talking; after all, they bought the illegal thing for that purpose. 3. They don't know that there's a ham driving along with them. Sooner or later they give away their location and other info that the hams can use to determine which truck is transmitting. The info is then turned into that fellow I mentioned above who sends the company notice to stop the activity. It would be a BAD idea to ignore such a letter because it WILL then trigger actual enforcement action by FCC. They would then force the company to produce the truck and driver at a terminal while instructing them not to tamper with the equipment or tip off the driver. An FCC agent then would visit the terminal for the actual inspection. And someone mentioned 75 Meters. The average CBer would NEVER get it to work. Simply put, you ain't qualified. The antennas are so big, and so "picky", they require special matching, etc, that they would soon give up. I ain't worried about the average CBer muckin' about on 75 Meters. They ain't got the ability, and the ones that DID would get the SAME reception from the licensed folks; they'd hunt him down, document his info, turn it in to "THE MAN". HaHA! And you can forget about your "18 feet of coax curing your 'SWR'sssssssssssssssssssssssss". LMAO! They CAN (and will) get you if they want you! RR[/quote] http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/b...540/ATT1-6.gif |
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