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DragginMan 04-27-2007 10:52 PM
Log books and Time Zones
 
May be a dumb noob question but here goes. Say you start a trip in the Eastern Time Zone, stop in Central time zone for the night. Next days' start do you go by original zone or new? Say next day you are in Mountain Time. Possibility of losing 2 hours somewhere???????????? :?

Rev.Vassago 04-27-2007 10:59 PM
Re: Log books and Time Zones
 
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Originally Posted by DragginMan
May be a dumb noob question but here goes. Say you start a trip in the Eastern Time Zone, stop in Central time zone for the night. Next days' start do you go by original zone or new? Say next day you are in Mountain Time. Possibility of losing 2 hours somewhere???????????? :?
You always go by the time zone of your home terminal, no matter what time zone you are in.

WildK9 04-28-2007 01:47 AM
Re: Log books and Time Zones
 
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Originally Posted by DragginMan
Possibility of losing 2 hours somewhere???????????? :?
even if you lose 'em, still gotta log 'em! :lol:

Jackrabbit379 04-28-2007 04:06 AM
Yeah, you can gain 2 extra driving hours in California. :P :lol:

thebaldeagle655 04-28-2007 04:56 PM
As previously posted, always log according to your home terminal time zone. You will not "lose" any time by going from one time zone to the other.

Additionally, make sure that you log your fuel stops per your time zone, not the time on the receipt if it has one. The DOT auditor has a time zone chart and will figure this during the audit.

jiptwoo 04-28-2007 08:57 PM
In 20 years I have never logged 15 minutes for a fuel stop and never was it mentioned by an officer in a dot inspection. Let me add I have been dot-ed in every state from ca. to boston hauling produce.

thebaldeagle655 04-28-2007 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jiptwoo
In 20 years I have never logged 15 minutes for a fuel stop and never was it mentioned by an officer in a dot inspection. Let me add I have been dot-ed in every state from ca. to boston hauling produce.
Not a roadside, the DOT safety audit. Company I worked for was hit with several "Log Falsification" violations recently due to the fuel stops not matching the logs. One particular driver was hit with 19 violations, $1100 each.

Oops, sorry, former driver :)

Rev.Vassago 04-28-2007 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jiptwoo
In 20 years I have never logged 15 minutes for a fuel stop and never was it mentioned by an officer in a dot inspection. Let me add I have been dot-ed in every state from ca. to boston hauling produce.
It doesn't matter if you haven't gotten a citation for it - it's still wrong. It's considered on duty time, so it has to be logged. If it takes less than 15 minutes, then it has to be flagged.

Just because DOT doesn't catch it at a roadside stop (which they only would if you produced fuel receipts), doesn't mean that it's legal.

glasman2 04-28-2007 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
Quote:
Originally Posted by jiptwoo
In 20 years I have never logged 15 minutes for a fuel stop and never was it mentioned by an officer in a dot inspection. Let me add I have been dot-ed in every state from ca. to boston hauling produce.
It doesn't matter if you haven't gotten a citation for it - it's still wrong. It's considered on duty time, so it has to be logged. If it takes less than 15 minutes, then it has to be flagged.

Just because DOT doesn't catch it at a roadside stop (which they only would if you produced fuel receipts), doesn't mean that it's legal.
Hey Rev, Have to ask since you mentioned "flagged".

I was told in school you can "Flag" if it's less than 7 minutes, and if it's more than 7 minutes you have to "Log" 15 minutes.

I don't start orientation until Monday, so If I don't see a reply by 10 am Sunday ( when I catch my plane ) guess I'll have to ask there.

Rev.Vassago 04-28-2007 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by glasman2
Hey Rev, Have to ask since you mentioned "flagged".

I was told in school you can "Flag" if it's less than 7 minutes, and if it's more than 7 minutes you have to "Log" 15 minutes.

I don't start orientation until Monday, so If I don't see a reply by 10 am Sunday ( when I catch my plane ) guess I'll have to ask there.
They told you wrong. Anything less than 15 minutes can be flagged. That is EXACTLY what the FMCSA regs state.

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Question 1: How should a change of duty status for a short period of time be shown on the driver's record of duty status?

Guidance: Short periods of time (less than 15 minutes) may be identified by drawing a line from the appropriate on-duty (not driving) or driving line to the remarks section and entering the amount of time, such as "6 minutes," and the geographic location of the duty status change.
§395.8 Driver's Record of Duty Status


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