[Ford390pwr]

This is a foodservice company as well. Long hours with a million trips up and down the ramp while carrying 300 pounds of chicken.

[Musicman]

How about in 2001 and 2002 when I had a team cut flower run and my co-driver quit and they had me solo the run for six months… does that qualify? Schedule was like this: leave Apopka, FL around 2am Monday, drive up to Thomasville, GA for my first delivery; then on to Enterprise, AL; Montgomery, AL for two stops; Calera, AL, three in Birmingham, one on Jasper, AL; Hodges, AL (usually get up there about midnight); then last stop at Bi-Lo in Chattanooga at 6am Tuesday. Then deadhead down to Brooksville, MS to pick up chicken by 10 pm that night and then get the load dropped back in the Apopka yard by Wednesday around noon or so. Then repeat the whole thing again (excluding the Chattanooga delivery) leaving out Thursday morning and getting back Saturday afternoon. These were all hand unloads (often without customer assistance). One of the two chicken loads I’d bring back, I’d be expected to bring down to Sysco in Riviera Beach, FL and then down to Homestead to bring back plants to Apopka. I was doing 20 plus hand-unload stops (never a dock), running over 4,300 miles and still had 1 1/2 days off a week. You know, even though I was doing the run on the same time schedule as a full team, the cheap bastards I was working for wouldn’t pay me the full team rate? They wouldn’t even pay me the team rate for the deliveries. I don’t miss running like that, but NETTING $1,400+ a week was nice.

[geeshock]

heh, sounds like a plant farm I used to work for. I realize we are working with live plants and they can dry up quick in a dry van but I don't fudge my log book. I used to but for those that don't already know, it isn't worth it. I was tired most the tie, and my time off was spent mostly sleeping. I was just to tired, My health wasn't the best in the world at that time eather.

[BanditsCousin]

I think example #2 is legal. Despite the 3 hrs remaining in the 14, you could stay on duty for several hours past the 14 hr rule, but ONLY on line 4 until you unloaded, then gone to line 1 (off duty) as personal conveyance to a motel/truckstop within a reasonable distnace and then taken a consecutive 10 hr break before driving towards your next dispatch. I'm only guessing, but having your reload assigned to you before departing your original destination may make this void.

Just a guess, just my .02.

[GMAN]

I don't see how having a reload assigned would have any effect on whether you run over your hours unless you need to pick the load up before you have the hours to do it.

[BanditsCousin]

Originally Posted by GMAN

I don't see how having a reload assigned would have any effect on whether you run over your hours unless you need to pick the load up before you have the hours to do it.

I think driving in the direction of the next pickup may have something to do with it. My opinion is based soley on a black/white line with no room for a gray area. I could defiitely be wrong.

[One]

Originally Posted by BanditsCousin

I think example #2 is legal. Despite the 3 hrs remaining in the 14, you could stay on duty for several hours past the 14 hr rule, but ONLY on line 4 until you unloaded, then gone to line 1 (off duty) as personal conveyance to a motel/truckstop within a reasonable distnace and then taken a consecutive 10 hr break before driving towards your next dispatch. I'm only guessing, but having your reload assigned to you before departing your original destination may make this void.

Just a guess, just my .02.

As far as i know off duty driving is only allowed bobtailing.

[golfhobo]

Originally Posted by One

As far as i know off duty driving is only allowed bobtailing.

This is not true according to the regs. Don't feel like quoting them right now during Mon Night Football, but... the operative term is "unladen." The "length" of the CMV is not relative (per the regs,) just whether or not it is UNDER a bill of lading.... or...."laden."

I'm with the B'ad Cousin. Ex 2 should be, (and I believe is,) legal. Once unloaded (all time at the controls in the process of unloading should be line 4,) you are considered "off duty" and can take your "unladen" CMV (of any length or combination,) to the nearest truckstop for the rest of your 10 hour break. You couldn't get away with a shorter 8 hour sleeper berth break. But, you can show the first few hours as line 1, including driving while off duty, eating, showering, etc., and then maybe an 8 hour sleeper period... for a total of 10 hours off duty.... and THEN accept your preplan (or consider yourself in readiness to go and pick up that load.)

I don't think having a preplan would be a problem. When I had a dedicated run, I was "planned" to take the same load every day. [Sometimes my hook slip, with trailer numbers assigned, was waiting for me when I came in.) When I finished the run for the day, I was "relieved of responsibility to work" until I needed to show up the next morning. Whether I drove home in my car or in my CMV would not matter. Even driving BACK to work wouldn't matter for ME.... cuz, I drive TEAM, and I was going into the sleeper when I got there.

A SOLO driver would be considered ON DUTY if driving EITHER his pov or his CMV back to the terminal, or to a shipper, if he was doing so at the direction of his dispatcher on a specific load. If, however, he just knew what time to return to the yard, and THEN got his dispatch papers... well... you call it!

I gotta look at Ex: 1 a bit more. I think I got somethin' to say abouit it, but it may have to wait.

Good to see you still hangin' round here, B-Cousin! Thought we'd lost you.

[BanditsCousin]

I'm here from time to time