User Tag List

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 10-29-2006, 11:53 PM
SaulC's Avatar
Rookie
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Laredo Tx
Posts: 1
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Default Sleeper Berth

Hello,
I want to know if anyone can tell me how to split a sleeper berth. For example, if I sleep the 8 hours how many can I drive after that?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-30-2006, 12:26 AM
Rev.Vassago's Avatar
Guest
Board Icon
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: The other side of the coin
Posts: 9,368
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Default Re: Sleeper Berth

Quote:
Originally Posted by SaulC
Hello,
I want to know if anyone can tell me how to split a sleeper berth. For example, if I sleep the 8 hours how many can I drive after that?
It depends upon how many hours you drove BEFORE you slept 8 hours.

Here's an example:

If you drive 5.5 hours, then sleep for 8 hours, you can then drive for 5.5 hours before you must sleep for 2 hours. (5.5 + 5.5 = 11). After you have slept for 2 hours, you can then drive for 5.5 hours before you must sleep for either 8 hours, or for a full 10 hours.

The best way to figure it out is: look at the amount of driving you did before you went off for 8 hours, and subtract that from 11. That will give you the amount you can legally drive. When you split your sleeper berth, you add the amount of driving on each side of the sleeper berth. It cannot be more than 11 hours. The 8 hours will stop your 14 hour clock, but anything less than 8 hours will not, and must be included within the 14 hours.

Simple, ain't it? :wink:
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-30-2006, 01:18 AM
tdriver1959's Avatar
Board Regular
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Washington
Posts: 261
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Default

Rev.Vassago is right you have to do the adding and subtracting to figure it out. it is a hassle to make sure that you get it right. Our company finally said that they just want us to take ten hours down and restart the clock instead, you don't really gain anything by splitting it like we used to
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-30-2006, 09:21 AM
Uturn2001's Avatar
Senior Board Member
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: East Central IL between the corn and the beans
Posts: 4,977
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Default

IMHO the new rules are a PITA when it comes to split berths and not worht the added hassle.

BTW...you do not have to take all 10 hours of your break in the sleeper. You can combine it with off duty time so long as it is not broken up by any periods of driving or on duty.
__________________
Finding the right trucking company is like finding the right person to marry. I really comes down to finding one whose BS you can put up with and who can put up wih yours.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-01-2006, 01:13 AM
Dawn's Avatar
Board Regular
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Indianapolis, In
Posts: 322
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Default Split Breaking (easy step)

After a 10 hour complete breaks!!!!!!!!
Once you start working (lines 3 or 4) count over 14 hours. Make a mark at the top of your log grid. There should be a clock on the top of your log grid.
If you get an 8 hour SLEEPER or more during or started within the 14 hour period you can extend your 14 hour by the number of hours in the SLEEPER. If you only have a 2 hour break in that 14 hour period You CAN NOT drive past the 14 hour mark.
By the end of the 14 hour mark you must take the remaining of the break (if the 2 was first you must now take an 8) (if the 8 was first you must take a 2 hr break)

Once you have completed the 2nd break. (which this is where most drivers get confused) do the below steps. Dont think just do it!

A) Go to the end of the previous break; count over 14, make a 14 hour mark
B) Go to the end of the previous break; Do you have an 8 hr or less than 10 in the SLEEPER?
1) Yes: Count # of hours in the sleeper and count over from your 14 hour mark you just made and make a new mark. (if I had 8.5 in sleeper then I count over 8.5 hours from the 14 hr mark I just made on Step A).
2) NO: Your final 14 hour mark you made on step A is your 14 hour window.
3) Driving time: Add up driving hours in between the 2 breaks (8&2)
Subtract that from 11 and that is how many hours you are allowed to drive
If your 14 hour mark is up before your driving time you must stop the truck and take the second break. This can go on for years, but once you take a full 10 hour break you are out of split break mode.

FYI:When I am discussing breaks this is the minimum of a 2 hour or 8 hour break. The breaks can be more than 2 or 8, but no less. If they are less they are not considered a "break".
FYI: You can be on line 4 past your 14 hour (do your fuel, post, anything that involves line 4 before your 10 hour break "if possible") YOU JUST CAN'T DRIVE PAST YOUR 14 HOUR. Do make sure before you get behind the wheel you have a full 10 hour break
FYI: The 10 hour break can be a combination of off duty/sleeper. No order! If you are not in the truck this is off duty time (not sleeper) if you are in the sleeper then you should log in the sleeper. That is the correct way to log when stuck on the road. At home, hotel, boyfriends etc. That is off duty time.
FYI: You can drive 11 hours take a 10 hour break and drive again in the same 24 hour period. DOT does not state a 24 hour period when discussing the 11 & 14. Remember midnight means nothing when dealing with your 11 & 14. It is a continuing issue until you have satisfied with a proper 10 or split break.

That is the best I can help right now. I hope I typed everything correctly, I have my split cheat sheet at work, but I say it every day!!!!!!!

DRIVERS RUN LEGAL DON'T JUST LOG LEGAL! SAVE YOURSELF FROM BEING PUT IN PRISON FOR VEHICLE MANSLAUGHTER.

I will chat more about logs no problem! Ask me and I will TELL YOU THE TRUTH!

HAVE A GREAT NITE AND BE SAFE :lol:
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-01-2006, 01:59 AM
Rev.Vassago's Avatar
Guest
Board Icon
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: The other side of the coin
Posts: 9,368
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Default Re: Split Breaking (easy step)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawn
I will chat more about logs no problem! Ask me and I will TELL YOU THE TRUTH!
Tell me the truth about this: Who are you and what are your credentials?

People who try to pass themselves off as "experts" in certain fields have been running amock here lately. :roll:
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-01-2006, 02:07 AM
Dawn's Avatar
Board Regular
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Indianapolis, In
Posts: 322
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Default Who am I? NO ONE REALLY. L.O.L.

I am just a darned old log manager. I have been auditing logs for 18 years now! I am not trying to make it like I know it all, I am just trying to help drivers run legal and hopefully make better money by not paying fines they really wouldn't need to if someone would take the time to teach them in the way to make them understand. I can always e-mail you pictures of what I am talking about. They are all at work right now! But it is all pretty simple, split breaking is VERY easy, its just to many people (including me I DID IT) are thinking to hard. Quit thinking and JUST DO IT! I am a log manager with HUMOR IMAGINE THAT?????????

i LOVE HELPING DRIVER'S I REALLY DO!
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-01-2006, 02:11 AM
Rev.Vassago's Avatar
Guest
Board Icon
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: The other side of the coin
Posts: 9,368
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Default Re: Who am I? NO ONE REALLY. L.O.L.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawn
I am just a darned old log manager.
Where?


Quote:
Quit thinking and JUST DO IT!
Quit thinking - good advice. :roll:
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-01-2006, 02:19 AM
Rawlco's Avatar
Senior Board Member
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Central Maine
Posts: 1,192
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Default

With split logging you can divide that single consecutive 10 hour break into one 8 hour (or more) sleeper berth break that must be logged on line two as sleeper berth; and one 2 hour (or more) break on either line one off duty or line two sleeper berth. The two hour break can be logged on either line, or a combination of the two, but it must be AT LEAST 2 hours. (Please note that you may log any increment of time on any line, but it has to be at least 2 hours to qualify for the split sleeper provision. I have had people think incorrectly that they must take 2 hours off if they are going to take a minute and that is not true.) It used to be that you could split the sleeper berth in any fashion, such as 5 hours and 5 hours, but now ONLY the 8 and 2 split is valid.
The regulations regarding split sleeper berth time are listed in section 395.1 (g)
available at http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...mcsr/395.1.htm

For a truck that is equipped with a sleeper berth a driver
Quote:
(g)(1)(i)(A) Must, before driving, accumulate either

(1) At least 10 consecutive hours off duty; or
(2) At least 10 consecutive hours of sleeper-berth time; or
(3) A combination of consecutive sleeper-berth and off-duty time amounting to at least 10 hours; or
(4) The equivalent of at least 10 consecutive hours off duty if the driver does not comply with options (1), (2) or (3) above.

(g)(1)(ii)(A) The term “equivalent of at least 10 consecutive hours off duty” means a period of
(1) At least 8 but less than 10 consecutive hours in a sleeper berth, and
(2) A separate period of at least 2 but less than 10 consecutive hours either in the sleeper berth or off duty, or any combination thereof.
This means what I went over above. Your breaks have to be at least 8 hours and 2 hours. They can be longer. You can also take shorter breaks but they won’t qualify for the split sleeper provision. I think everything above is quite simple. If you have any questions feel free to ask.
-- - - - - - - - - - - -

Now that you have your 8 hours in the sleeper and another 2 hours off duty how do you count your 11 and 14? This is where the government made it complicated.

First we have this rule:
Quote:
(g)(1)(i)(D)Must exclude from the calculation of the 14-hour limit any sleeper berth period of at least 8 but less than 10 consecutive hours.
This means that you count your 14 hour limit as usual including any off duty time UP TO 8 hours. IF you have 8 hours off duty THEN you skip that in your 14 hour calculation. More on this in a few minutes, and I’ll explain with pictures.

Then comes the key to figuring the hours:
Quote:
(g)(1)(ii)(B) Calculation of the 11-hour driving limit includes all driving time; compliance must be re-calculated from the end of the first of the two periods used to comply with paragraph (g)(1)(ii)(A) of this section.

(g)(1)(ii)(C) Calculation of the 14-hour limit includes all time except any sleeper-berth period of at least 8 but less than 10 consecutive hours; compliance must be re-calculated from the end of the first of the two periods used to comply with the requirements of paragraph (g)(1)(ii)(A) of this section.
These means that you start counting for both the 11 and 14 hour rules from the END of the FIRST break. It does not matter which order you take the 8 or 2 break in, since one will always be before the other. You may also sometimes need to use the end of a ten hour break as the "previous break."
----------

Calculating the 14 hours with visual aid.

If the picture does not come through very good then get your logbook out and follow along. :lol:
I have assumed that we start at midnight the first day having had the full 10 hour break and have plenty of hours left on the 70 hour rule. Starting at midnight the 14 hour window lasts until 2pm. We start with one hour of on duty not driving followed by 4 hours of driving. We then log one hour off duty for breakfast and one hour in the sleeper for a total of 2 hours off duty. We still figure the 14 hour window starting at midnight and ending at 2pm for two reasons. First is that a 2 hour break by itself isn’t enough so we need to look back for the last break of 8 hours or more. The last break of 8 hours or more ended at midnight, so that is when we start the 14 hour clock. Second is that a two hour break does not pause or interrupt the 14 hour clock, or extend it in any way.

Next we drive again for 7 hours from 7am until 2 pm. We have to stop at 2pm because that is the end of our 14 hour window. We also have logged 11 driving hours in that 14 hour window. We always have to check that we don’t go over the 11 driving hours in any 14 hour window. Starting at 2pm we crawl into the sleeper berth for 8 hours. This has to be logged on line two sleeper berth to count.

Emerging from the sleeper berth at 10 pm we need to figure out the next 14 hour window. The two periods that total 10 hours are 5-7 am and 2-10 pm. According to the regs we need to start the 14 hour break at the END of the first break, so 7 am. There are 7 hours between 7 am and 2pm, then skip over the 8 hour SB break (the official reg is to subtract it from your 14 hours, but I find skipping over it is easier.) So the 14 hour window ends at 5 am on the day 2. (This is where it is easy to lose some people, so make sure you understand before continuing. 7 am plus 14 hours plus 8 hours is 5 am next day. You took the 8 hour sleeper break so it extends your 14 hours by that 8 hour increment.) The next thing to look at is that we used 7 hours of this 14 hour window already on line 3 driving, so we can only drive another 4 before the 11 hour rule catches up with us.

From 10 to 11 pm we log one hour line 4 on duty not driving, and then log 4 hours driving on line 3 before logging another one hour line 4 on duty not driving. We take 2 hours off duty from 4 to 6 am. We ran out of driving hours before our 14 hours were up. (Note that you don’t have to work until the end of the 14 hour rule or 11 hour rule before taking your next break. You could take your 8 hours sleeper then work for an hour, then take 2 more hours off duty if you wanted/needed to.) At 6 am we need to figure out our new 14 hour window. Our two breaks (that add together to make 10 hours) were 4 to 6 am day 2, and 2 pm to 10pm day 1. The first break ended at 10 pm so our 14 hour window starts then and ends at noon day 2. We did not have any 8 hour breaks in that period to extend or change the 14 hour clock. We have already used 4 driving hours so we have 7 left in the 11 hour limit, BUT we only have 6 hours left in the 14 hour window.

We start with one hour on duty not driving from 6 to 7 am day 2 followed by 5 hours of driving logged on line 3. We run out of hours at noon and stop for an 8 hour sleeper berth break from noon to 8pm day 2. At the end of that break we again need to figure our 14 hour window. The two breaks (that add together to make 10 hours) are from 4 to 6 am and noon to 8 pm. Starting at the end of the first break makes our 14 hours from 6 am to 4 am day 3 (off the image, since I didn’t do a 3rd day) Again you skip over the 8 hour sleeper berth break when calculating the 14 hours. (To put it another and completely different way an 8 hour sleeper berth break gives you an extra 8 hours on the 14 hour clock, making it 22 hours, but that is 22 “true” hours with nothing subtracted) We have already logged 5 hours of driving on line 3, so between 8pm day 2 and 4 am day 3 we can only accumulate 6 driving hours out of the 8 available.


-----------------------------------------------------------------

More Split logging.

I am going to go over it again, perhaps in a little different way. The more ways that you get the information the better it will stick.

The key phrase that the government likes to use is:
Quote:
Compliance with the 11-hour and 14-hour rules is recalculated from the end of the first of the two periods used to obtain 10 hours off duty.
This means that you can only drive 11 in the 14 hour window counting both duty periods. This meaning that the two duty periods on each side of your last “qualifying” break (8 or 2 hours) must only total 11 driving and 14 duty hours.

If you log 8 hours in the sleeper berth that pauses your 14 hour clock. Take this for example: Example 4, Day 1 on top, Day 2 below.


The split starts with a two hour break day 1 between 7 and 9 PM. Followed by 3 driving hours. The second break is 8 hours starting at midnight until 8 AM day 2. (The 8 hours MUST be taken in the sleeper for this to work) When counting the 11 and 14 you have to include the 3 hours of driving between 9 and midnight, so you can only accumulate 8 hours of driving in the following 11 duty hours until your next 2 hour break completing the split. You can accumulate 8 hours of driving between 8 am day 2 and 7 pm day 2 before the 14 hour rule catches up with you. So you need to take either another 2 hour break so you can gain 3 more driving hours, or you can take the full 10 hour break to get back to 11 out of 14.
----------------------------------------------------------
And to answer the question you are going to ask Rev: I have no official credentials. :wink: :lol:
__________________

Nothing is foolproof to a talented fool.
--------------------------------------------
The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,
Pursuing it with eager feet,
Until it joins some larger way
Where many paths and errands meet.
And whither then? I cannot say.

-- J R R Tolkien
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-01-2006, 02:26 AM
Dawn's Avatar
Board Regular
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Indianapolis, In
Posts: 322
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Default

Rawlco:
Thanks for the details, although I was only trying to keep it simple and give them my cheat sheet that I have made up. It give them steps to do and it will give them the answer of when their 14 hour is up and how many hours they have avaiable to drive. I have a 1 page sheet as well step by step and a picture to go with it, but they always seem over whelmed by the exssesive reading! So yeah if you add in the exact steps and they follow them it gives them the answers they need! They don't even have to think! Although they must remember the basic rules!

You seem pretty knowledgable about the regs yourself and if I have any questions I will sure be asking you!

Does Rev like to pick on everyone or what?

It seems so many companys do not take the time to explain to drivers. In my orientation most come out learning things they never knew and always tell me how great I do!

HAVE A GREAT NIGHT!!!!!!!!
Reply With Quote
Reply






Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT. The time now is 02:29 PM.


User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.