Expected pay?
 

If you were leased to a carrier that paid 71% of the load and your route went a little something like this

Memphis, Tn to Ontario, CA (loaded) (1706mi)
Deadhead 148 mi to Maricopa, CA
Load from Maricopa, CA to Puyallup, WA (1001mi)
Deadhead 169 mi to Orondo, WA (2 P/U)
Load from Orondo, WA to Memphis, TN (2322 mi)

*Actual miles ran was close to 7300 mi in 8 days*

What Would you expect your check to be?

I'd figure it at $1.25 per mile.....

And I hope u were running team

Who can run for $ a buck ana quarter ! Doesnt it cost $ atleast a buck seventy five min. W fuel?

Freebrd, this is my point exactly. I got screwed on this run big time and I am very pissed about it. I need @ bare min $1.70 loaded. I know this company is getting well over $2.5 to $3 a mile for these runs and we as the drivers are losing out big time. I can barely afford to fix my truck....

If you put 7300 miles on those loads you need more than 1.70 p/m. Maybe a new atlas.

Why did you take them? Are you on percentage lease? Ask to see the freight bills.
Are you a driver or a contractor, if you are a contractor they can't force loads on you and you should know up front what they pay.

My calculator says it all adds up to 5326 rounded miles........SOoooooooooooo.....How did you chew up 2000 extra miles?? And......Why would you expect to be paid for them?? :confused: :confused: :confused:



Yes....I am bored and actually looked at the routes!

How do you know that? If you know it, you should know a little more exactly than a $.50+/mile range. What are you pulling? Is this contracted freight? If it's not, nobody is getting those rates for those lanes on the spot market right now for van/reefer/flat. If it's contracted freight and you've done this run before, just ask. The only part of contract rates that change is the FSC. You're paid on percentage, you have the right to see the freight bill. If you feel that strongly that you're getting stiffed, make the request.

For reefer on the spot market right now, I'd expect your company to average maybe $1.70/mile on that turn. That puts you at what...$1.21? Van slightly less; flat, not as sure about but not too far off.

@ chris and Orangetxguy. I'll tell you how I put an extra 2000 miles on that load. The route from Orondo,WA was suppose to go across I90 to I29 down to I70 and over to I55, I think that what it called for. Instead I ran I84 to I80 back over to I25 down to I70 down to US287 over to OKC and I40 across to memphis. This was def out of route, but it was either that or run into some snow storms and road closers.

Thats not the problem here, The problem is the amount of money being paid to the leased drivers. The explanation we received was that the company is getting the loads anywhere from $1.60 to $2. BS. I've been told by the owner himself that he won't pull any cheap freight. Well $1.70 is cheap once you have to pay %71 percent to your O/O.

I know this because I talk to Independent that run the same lanes we run. They use the same brokers and customers we use, I've seen their freight bills and they clear $2 a mi on these loads.

Listen, I deal with customers on a daily basis, people on the inside of this industry and anyone who thinks these loads are paying less than $2 a mile is crazy.. Ask any broker, better yet go straight to a customer traffic department and ask them how much these brokers bid on these loads. I guarantee they don't bid any less than $3 a mile. I understand that they are suppose to get a cut, but to run the drivers into the ground and not pay them is ludacris.

FYI, I'm in the process of setting up my own authority, So I will cut the middle man out, here pretty soon. My point is these companies r full of S***, if they think these o/o are stupid enough to believe the the rates they are charging. Some are but Not this one..

*** LOADS from cali to Bronx, NY pay $8G. I know Indy's that get that in their sleep. Was offered a load from cali to hunts point from my company for $5600, I LAUGHED IN HIS FACE AND SAID NO THANKS YOU CAN KEEP THAT CHEAP SNIT...

So do you own the trailer or not?

Look. I appreciate that you are mad about your revenue. If you were to talk with MY terminal manager....my regional manager....and the corporate "Retention and Recruitment" manager.....all three of them will happily tell you that they are sick and tired of my big butt standing on their shoulders, pulling on their hair...and screaming into their ears that I am sick and tired of being broke. They can only blame so much on the economy.

Now.....the route you ran from Orondo......I checked it before I posted the miles to your thread....simply because that is basicly the route I would have chosen for myself. I might have run I-90 across into Montana, dropped down I-15 to Pocotello and then hooked across US30 to Little America...but all in all...it still only adds 340 odd miles onto that particular leg.
See......I'm not afraid of hills......I grew up in Montana so I deal with hills and snow rather handily. Stop signs don't bother me to much either. ALL of those are what keep the "Super Truckers" on the big roads.
Now...I pull tanks and know squat about reefer freight (except knowing that I will not pull reefers)......but No-worries does know that freight....and you can see what he posted to you. IF you are pulling "brokered freight" more than you are pulling "direct bill" freight....then YOU get less revenue....THAT MUCH I know.

Good luck with your own authority. It can be fun.

Some guys are getting CA to The city for those rates year-round...but they're very few; working for small wholesalers generally. The great majority of produce is bought by the big boys and they don't pay those rates year-round...they know they don't have to. Besides, CA to NY is pretty much the highest priced lane you'll find and that's not the lane you're talking about. Surely you don't thing West Coast to Memphis is going to pay anywhere near as much as NYC, even on a per mile basis. Several months out of the year, you can throw a dart and hit $3/mile from CA to WA; January isn't one of them and THIS January in particular has been slow for freight out of CA. By the same token, eastbound freight out of the NW is almost always significantly less than out of CA; there are a few exceptions but they are short and, again, not in January. Apples are probably the highest tonnage product shipped out of the NW and I know some muckety-mucks at some of the biggest shippers. They don't pay anywhere near $3/mile ever and certainly not $2/mile year-round. I also know several brokers...not guys I haul for, just friends. If they were bidding $3 mile on regular lanes year-round, they'd be out of business.

Bottom line, the numbers your boss gave you pretty much match mine. Sounds like they have you pulling spot market freight and not direct. Nobody pulling standard van/reefer/flat is averaging $3/mile and I'll bet very few with 1000+ average length of haul are averaging $2/mile.

If you talked to these independent O/O's and they are getting 2.00 p/m what makes you think your company is getting 3.00 p/m? If you're pulling reefer you would be lucky to get 3.00 p/m out of the NW to TN at the height of shrubbery season. And that would be with multiple PU/Drops.

This is my point exactly, Companies will pay what they want instead of Trucking companies charging what right. I don"t see anyone telling the electrician or plumber how much they will pay him for a job. Trucking is the only industry where Companies settle for what they can get. I don"t understand it. I'm not saying that these loads back to memphis or the middle of the country pay the same as the east coast freight, but lets be sensible here. If you can get any $8G to Hunts point and $9500 to boston market and $7G to MD,then why shouldn't I believe you are @least getting $3500 to Memphis. Come On. Common sense tell you that.

These big Companies are paying, just ask the guys running up and down the road in the Big shinny KW/Pete's with stainless steel trailers and all the chicken lights. If you can catch them, ask what kind of rates they're getting, I bet s/he wont even move the truck for less than $2.25 a mile (this is a cheap rate to them) and it better be going to a place where s/he can get a good reload. I really don't care what time of year it is and where its coming from. If you want it you should pay for it. Simple as that.

I could understand the rates dropping in the summer because the weather is nice and roads are generally great in some places, but to send a driver up into Northwest to get a load and now s/he has to fight the road conditions all the way back across should equal more money. Simple as that. (The plumber runs into a problem when fixing your pipes, guess what he charges you for it.) If it takes longer he charges you for it. This is my thought process... You pay for a good service, even with competition..

Fuel is almost $4 a gallon and rates are $1.50, LMAO COME ON. Look, If a one can't survive on those rates, what makes you think a guy with 100 trucks is going to survive. Operating cost are thru the roof, now a days. All I'm saying is Be smart about this No way Companies are surviving like that. The # just don't add up..

I'm not saying that I don't agree with you guys, everyone here has a valid point, I'm just stating the fact that something has to change. If we want this industry to prosper we have to take it back. Stop letting the middleman dictate you lively hood. What other business do you know of where People who don't do the work dictate the money the entrepreneur can receive. It's not right!!!

I was able to get $1.75 from LA to Chicago all day long with Schneider as a lease operator.... and that was YEAR ROUND

That was the money end of the run...and L.A. Big difference between van freight in SoCal and the NW for most of the year. How much did the round average?

As for shiny Pete's and trailers...I wouldn't use that as a gauge to determine who is making the money in this biz. Get your authority, it's good experience and sounds like you won't be happy until you try it. Just be prepared for a reality check.

This was when i was leased to them last year. I ran from Chicago to Ontario, CA with 28k of cereal and came back with 38k of P&G freight. Load out paid $1.39 and load back paid $1.75..... and that was pulling their ugly orange trailers LOL

A lot of people don't realize how well SNI % program pays, and you are running POWER ONLY. Once you learn the routes and nitches of where the good loads go and come, you can clear $2500 a week bring home easily and be home on the weekend. I liked it, just got a better offer and took it. I may go back one day in the future tho as I liked picking where I wanted to go. Usually every Monday they had a load from West Chicago going to NJ that paid $2200 to the truck. I would do that and bobtail back to Chicago and do 1 more local $400 run to cover my fuel back

Reality Check, Lmao. I'm as real as it gets trust me. Not using shinny KW/Petes as a gauge, just telling you what i see and hear from these guy and gals running up and down the road. Money is there for those that want to seek it. To each it own...

@ Steel Horse Cowboy, If you were getting $1.39 and $1.75 a mile just imagine how much SNI made off that load before they posted that rate, trust me it was def cut before you were paid those rate. It common practice in this business.

Steel Horse Cowboy, I tried to look up the load board and did not find it, do you have to sign up for it or how do you see it?

You have to be leased to Schneider to look at their load board.

That was 63% of what the load paid... I know they got a BIG cut, but I didn't mind seeing I didn't have to pay for insurance or maintance on the trailer, and it was a drop and hook on both ends PLUS I doubt a Independant could get loaded from P&G and General Mills as they seem to use the major carriers for dedicated work......it wasn't bad

I must have misinterpreted:

...just ask the guys running up and down the road in the Big shinny KW/Pete's with stainless steel trailers and all the chicken lights. If you can catch them, ask what kind of rates they're getting, I bet s/he wont even move the truck for less than $2.25 a mile (this is a cheap rate to them) and it better be going to a place where s/he can get a good reload.

My point is, that's not much of an indicator. I know as many if not more folks running fancy equipment that are running balls out and staying one step ahead of the bank. And they ALL claim to be running for big money. The kind of numbers you're talking about...they just don't add up. Anybody with a reasonable head on their shoulders should be retired in short order making $2.50+ per mile. How many truckers have you EVER heard of that fit that bill? It doesn't happen. Look at the numbers Steel put up regarding SNI. They're getting the numbers you're talking about...on high dollar freight that no small operator can get in a prime lane.

SHC...I know lots of guys were raving about SNI's choice board the first year or two. I've talked to a lot of drivers over the last year that were complaining that SNI started pulling the good freight off the board. Maybe as things turn around the story will be different. They didn't have choice when I was there.

I have a friend who runs his own authority and has pulled some P & G and other major consumer goods manufacturer's loads. He gets them through a major brokerage firm. He might not be able to get them direct. I think the main reason is that a major shipper can deal with 2 or 3 major brokers or carriers and get their loads covered. If they had to deal with 1 or 2 truck operations then it would require much more work on their part. They turn it over to a broker and the broker finds the 20 or 30 trucks for them after taking their cut.

Yeah, I started on the "pilot" program and did it for 3 years. I was doing just fine w/o any problems, and the loads are still there. It just takes about 6 mos to figure out where the good runs are and what lanes to take. Kind of like tracer found out with LS, SNI does the same thing and pays $2.25 mile to ND and then your stuck deadheading back 500 miles to another load. I did know of a great lane that ran GM auto parts. I would book it a week in advance and here was the run:
Bolingbrook, IL to Nashville, TN ($1.29 mile) Spring Hill, TN to Reno, NV ($2.25 mile) then here is where it got tricky as there wasn't much in the Reno area, but I knew of a load they did from Salt Lake City, UT to Denver, CO that paid $6.25 mile and ran every Sunday and you had to go thru Wyoming as it was potato chips and with the routing points it was about $2,500 for 500 miles (to the truck) so i'd grab that and then DH back to iowa City and grab a PG load back to Chicago. I'd be out a little over a week and bring home $5,500. I would do this once a month, but this too got very boring and I wouln't run it in the winter as I didn't like WY and I didn't have chains. Also, all the loads never weighed over 20k lbs so it was GREAT on my MPG!!!

I know a lot of guys who live in OK, FL, GA, AZ, NM and so on that were running the choice program and didn't make squat because of where they lived. IN/IL/OH/WI is where the money is at with SNI, and I did extreemely well. And if I ever lose my dedicated gig now, I will be going back

I always liked the idea of that kind of system. Being able to do your own planning while still accessing the freight available to a big player. I've got myself dialed in pretty good now, but if SNI ever opened up that system to teams, I'd be tempted. But they make too much money off their team loads...they'll never give it up on percentage.