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Heavy Duty 02-01-2010 03:26 PM

Don't be late to Walmart
 
Walmart is going to start penalty's for late deliveries, this is not all on the trucking companies. Check the "Must Arrive By Date” on your loads.

Wal-Mart Sets Monday Deadline for Shipping Program | Journal of Commerce

bikerboy 02-01-2010 06:30 PM

so walmart is encouraging logbook violations? everyone knows carriers will put more pressure on drivers not to be late, so more drivers will be running illegal to keep carriers and dispatch happy

Mr. Ford95 02-01-2010 09:46 PM

But the new CSA rules say that a company will be getting hit by DOT if they check the load and see that it was given to a driver who had no chance of getting it there legally..........

Heavy Duty 02-02-2010 12:34 AM


Originally Posted by Mr. Ford95 (Post 474077)
But the new CSA rules say that a company will be getting hit by DOT if they check the load and see that it was given to a driver who had no chance of getting it there legally..........


The loads are given in time it is just that the broker, 3pl or whatever hold on to them in order to move them as cheap as possible. They should have to come up on them money to get them moved in a timely manor. Best you read the fine print before singing a conformation sheet.

Jackrabbit379 02-02-2010 05:13 AM


Originally Posted by Heavy Duty (Post 474067)
Walmart is going to start penalty's for late deliveries, this is not all on the trucking companies. Check the "Must Arrive By Date” on your loads.

Wal-Mart Sets Monday Deadline for Shipping Program | Journal of Commerce

Wal-Mart hires employees that aint got enough sense to get out of the rain, but they want to penalize drivers for being late... That's funny. :rofl:
:p

Mr. Ford95 02-02-2010 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by Heavy Duty (Post 474081)
The loads are given in time it is just that the broker, 3pl or whatever hold on to them in order to move them as cheap as possible. They should have to come up on them money to get them moved in a timely manor. Best you read the fine print before singing a conformation sheet.

What I read with the CSA rules, it doesn't matter if a broker sits on the load until you have zero chance of getting it there on time. If the company takes it and puts it on you, which your logs will show when you picked it up, and DOT pulls you, checks your paperwork at which they see that the delivery time given means you have to run hot to get it there, they are going after the company. Expect less companies to be taking those loads once the CSA rules go into effect if that is true. They won't want DOT coming back on them over it.

Heavy Duty 02-02-2010 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by Mr. Ford95 (Post 474117)
What I read with the CSA rules, it doesn't matter if a broker sits on the load until you have zero chance of getting it there on time. If the company takes it and puts it on you, which your logs will show when you picked it up, and DOT pulls you, checks your paperwork at which they see that the delivery time given means you have to run hot to get it there, they are going after the company. Expect less companies to be taking those loads once the CSA rules go into effect if that is true. They won't want DOT coming back on them over it.

Thats right, it will force brokers to pay a fair amount to get the load moved in a timley manner. They won't be able to hold out for a cheap carrier so they can skim more off the top.
This is good for responsible carriers.

Ronin 02-02-2010 11:32 AM

and bad for all those shady brokers, and outlaw trucking outfits.

Only positive thing I've heard about CSA 2010 to be honest.

rank 02-02-2010 01:47 PM

Same crap different company. I remember one time the broker (Bennett) gave us a crane appointment on a Friday that I said right up front we could not make. They said do your best. Well come Friday, they said because we were late they had to reschedule the crane until Monday and they were charging me for it.

I told them I wouldn't deliver the (two) loads until they gave me a revised confirmation with the proper delivery date. It took 3 days for them to give in, all the while threatening me with theft and back charges.

Fun times.

zipy46 02-03-2010 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by Mr. Ford95 (Post 474077)
But the new CSA rules say that a company will be getting hit by DOT if they check the load and see that it was given to a driver who had no chance of getting it there legally..........

Which Regulation are you citing please ....:confused:

I need to know so i can beat my dispatcher over the head with it !!!! :lol2:

The hours i just ran to 'rescue' this 8 stop load would get me put under the jail !!!!!!!!

Mr. Ford95 02-04-2010 05:35 AM

Zipy, the new rules aren't in effect yet and it goes towards the company not the driver. If I can find it again I will post it

Jackrabbit379 02-04-2010 06:22 AM

From what I understood, Mr. Ford, they are going in effect next year. It sounds like they are giving everybody a year to 'straighten up', before they start hammering on everyone.

zipy46 02-04-2010 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by Mr. Ford95 (Post 474249)
Zipy, the new rules aren't in effect yet and it goes towards the company not the driver. If I can find it again I will post it


Ok....thanks :thumbsup:

Mr. Ford95 02-04-2010 10:17 PM

It's a PDF file but rule 392.6 reads: Scheduling Run to necessitate speeding, Speeding Related, 5 points, Driver not responsible. It's on page 36 about halfway thru the section listed.

http://csa2010.fmcsa.dot.gov/documen...ethodology.pdf

These new rules/laws go into effect sometime this summer. I've heard June or July.

Jackrabbit379 02-05-2010 03:38 AM

I wished they could do something about that Adobe. Man, it sure puts a lock-down on my computer. :p

Thanks, Mr. Ford, for the new regs.

danske 02-09-2010 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by Mr. Ford95 (Post 474307)
It's a PDF file but rule 392.6 reads: Scheduling Run to necessitate speeding, Speeding Related, 5 points, Driver not responsible. It's on page 36 about halfway thru the section listed.

http://csa2010.fmcsa.dot.gov/documen...ethodology.pdf

These new rules/laws go into effect sometime this summer. I've heard June or July.

So what if the paperwork states a must deliver by date, how is the DOT inspector going to be able to determine when the delivery appointment is?(Unless the driver tells him). Does the inspector know that the time was rescheduled? Does he know that the driver is relaying the load to another solo/team who CAN legally get it there.

I don't see how the above rule is enforceable. Besides isn't the DOT looking at an event that is in the future and the law hasn't been broken yet? Well maybe a conspiracy to break the law?

607 02-20-2010 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by danske (Post 474776)
So what if the paperwork states a must deliver by date, how is the DOT inspector going to be able to determine when the delivery appointment is?(Unless the driver tells him). Does the inspector know that the time was rescheduled? Does he know that the driver is relaying the load to another solo/team who CAN legally get it there.

Shoot sometimes I don't even know the appointment has been rescheduled till I get there thinking I am late:eek1:


Originally Posted by danske (Post 474776)
I don't see how the above rule is enforceable. Besides isn't the DOT looking at an event that is in the future and the law hasn't been broken yet? Well maybe a conspiracy to break the law?

Remember that CSA2010 does not criminal law but civil law, maybe in civil law you can punish for actions that haven't happened yet. I don't know. Someone help me out with that last part.

Dan

Windwalker 02-20-2010 10:30 PM


Originally Posted by 607 (Post 475514)
Remember that CSA2010 does not criminal law but civil law, maybe in civil law you can punish for actions that haven't happened yet. I don't know. Someone help me out with that last part.

Dan

There seems to have been some changes in recent years. Or my preception is off. It used to be that they could not arrest someone until the law was actually broken. But with all the sex offenders on the internet, they now go after "intent to break the law". The federal prosicutor from Pensacola that flew to Detroit to have sex with a 5 year-old girl (remember that one), and they got him at the airport. (No, I'm not saying they should have let him go through with it before they arrested him.) There was a time when the cops could have all the knowledge that a crime was about to be committed, and could do nothing until it happened. It seems that today, they can step in as soon as there is provable information about a crime that is going to be committed. It seems like, at one time, they didn't do much with "intent". But, today, it covers a broad range of things. And, they go after "intent" for criminal cases as well. Over the past 10 years, how many women have the arrested for "intent" of having their husbands killed. Trying to hire an undercover cop to take the "hit".


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