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allan5oh 10-11-2009 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by jonp (Post 465050)
This is an interesting thread but could someone answer a stupid question? I havn't seen an explanation as to why unplugging the egr would raise the fuel mileage.

I can answer that. It will take a bit of history though.

In 2003, the OEM engine makers were required to reduce the NOx produced by the engine from 4.0 grams per horsepower-hour to 2.0 grams power horsepower-hour.

Everyone except cat decided to go with EGR. EGR reduces NOx by diluting the oxygen content in the air entering the engine. Exhaust has less oxygen, therefore the nitrogen thins out the oxygen. This reduces "peak" combustion temperatures, which reduces NOx production. The problem is, it also hurts fuel mileage and actually increases PM if you don't do anything else.

So the way they introduced EGR is by increasing the back pressure before the turbo with a variable geometry turbo. The "variable" is NOT to decrease spool lag, but rather to increase back pressure. Attached to the exhaust manifold is an EGR valve and the EGR system.

When they want to increase EGR flow, the EGR valve opens and allows exhaust to enter back into the engine. The problem with this, is it bypasses the turbocharger. So the theory is by "shutting off" the EGR, you are:

1) Increasing exhaust flow to the turbocharger, because there is no bypass

2) Increasing the oxygen content of the air going into the engine

jonp 10-11-2009 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by heavyhaulerss (Post 465068)
the pipe I used to haul was plastic. 13 ft tall & the entire top had to be tarped. it felt like I was pulling an open parachute down the highway.

oh yeah. Hauled a ton of that stuff although I just smoke tarped it.

jonp 10-11-2009 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by allan5oh (Post 465082)
I can answer that. It will take a bit of history though.

In 2003, the OEM engine makers were required to reduce the NOx produced by the engine from 4.0 grams per horsepower-hour to 2.0 grams power horsepower-hour.

Everyone except cat decided to go with EGR. EGR reduces NOx by diluting the oxygen content in the air entering the engine. Exhaust has less oxygen, therefore the nitrogen thins out the oxygen. This reduces "peak" combustion temperatures, which reduces NOx production. The problem is, it also hurts fuel mileage and actually increases PM if you don't do anything else.

So the way they introduced EGR is by increasing the back pressure before the turbo with a variable geometry turbo. The "variable" is NOT to decrease spool lag, but rather to increase back pressure. Attached to the exhaust manifold is an EGR valve and the EGR system.

When they want to increase EGR flow, the EGR valve opens and allows exhaust to enter back into the engine. The problem with this, is it bypasses the turbocharger. So the theory is by "shutting off" the EGR, you are:

1) Increasing exhaust flow to the turbocharger, because there is no bypass

2) Increasing the oxygen content of the air going into the engine

Ok, so by increasing the O2 you get a better combustion with the fuel and a higher fuel mileage as a result. I remember that whole thing and cat going its own way.

solo379 04-23-2010 08:36 AM

Hey, Tracer, beat this! 1627 miles, 197 gallons, roughly 8.25 MPG! At the pump!

tracer 04-25-2010 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by solo379 (Post 479484)
Hey, Tracer, beat this! 1627 miles, 197 gallons, roughly 8.25 MPG! At the pump!

How's that possible?

BanditsCousin 04-25-2010 04:14 PM

I think Solo runs dry van in the Ohio area. I can see him hitting that figure through a few ways.

65mph speed limits, relatively flat demographic, truck maintenance.

Other factors woud be load weight, idle habits, and length of hauls.

solo379 04-26-2010 01:06 AM


Originally Posted by BanditsCousin (Post 479597)
I think Solo runs dry van in the Ohio area.

Between OH and NY mostly, 45% of my mileage comes to PA, did you see a lot of "flats" there? I also ran a lot of 2 lanes, and should i mention NJ, NYC traffic? But yes, most of the times, i'm pretty light....

BanditsCousin 04-26-2010 09:11 AM

Never seen a hill in PA. And never once got caught in any kind of traffic in NJ. I cruise right up 95N and over the GWB at 4pm all the time :)

Solo, you've mentioned you specs before, but tell us again. I know my T600 is specc'd a lot differently, and mine not so much in favor of mpgs! I can get close to your mpg empty at around 43,000 (hhg wagons are heavy).


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