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Originally Posted by Scottt
(Post 461431)
I was cruising down the boring highway 54 in kansas with 4 trucks and we got to talking about fuel mileage and I asked if anyone had heard of unplugging the EGR on a Cummins.
A driver that hadn't been talking chimed in laughing and said his shop recommended it but he said they went a little further. He said his shop brazed his EGR shut so he didn't have to unplug it. Is that possible?? It is possible, and would achieve the same results as unplugging it. It just eliminates the possibility of undoing it. |
Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
(Post 459385)
Please post your results. I'm very curious.
I have not had a chance to run an oil analysis yet, because I was in the middle of a change cycle when I unplugged the EGR, but I will say that with 20k miles on the oil I have in the engine now, it looks remarkably cleaner and thinner. It’s also amazing how much cooler the engine runs. I’ve had several opportunities to drive in 100+ F temperatures and the engine fan rarely came on, even on small grades. |
Just had my truck into Cummins for warranty work... leaking front engine cover. Had the EGR unplugged like normal. They could have cared less. Later the tech plugged it back in (required to check and plug in if engine coming in for warranty work), but watched as I unplugged it before leaving and he didn't seem concerned. Service manager acted like it was no big deal and was common knowledge. Now, it might be the particular Cummins shop you go to, but I am not getting the impression that they really care about unplugging the EGR even under warranty.
Last two loads of fuel: 1085 miles, 137.9 gal, 7.86 mpg 1417 miles, 186 gal, 7.62 mpg |
do any of you guys that are unplugged have a DPF?
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Originally Posted by rank
(Post 463970)
do any of you guys that are unplugged have a DPF?
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Clinton, NJ to Laredo, TX...no refuel.
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Originally Posted by Musicman
(Post 464977)
I don't, but I'm thinking that doing this with a DPF would be a very bad thing... but I could be wrong.
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Originally Posted by heavyhaulerss
(Post 459093)
I have many times got 7.6 7.8 m.p.g running fron indy to g.r. MI & back. 45,000 wt going up 43,000 coming back. 55 m.p.h in MI. 60-62 in IN. I think the biggest factor was I hauled skidded steel coils up & fire brick back. the loads had no wind resistance. compared to when I hauled plastic pipe, 25,000 lbs 13ft high & got 4.3 m.p.g even though my rpm's run higher than most60 m.p.h @ 1500 rpm's I am still happy with my lil 350 h.p. det. the fuel mileage savings over 10 years has paid for so much. I will also say that hywy tires gave me a lot better m.p.g than my lug's, but the lug tires lasted twice as long, but cost 100.00 more per tire. some react as if I am lying when I tell em my m.p.g. they just look at my cabover truck with over a mil miles & no major work done to it, & they think no way it get's good m.p.g.
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This is an interesting thread but could someone answer a stupid question? I havn't seen an explanation as to why unplugging the egr would raise the fuel mileage.
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Originally Posted by jonp
(Post 465049)
I hauled a load of steel casing pipe for oil drilling from Fontana, CA to near Baton Rouge, LA and got a little over 12mpg. The route is mostly flat and the wind just passed right through the pipes. That was with a Detroit at 435hp. Hauled several of those loads but that was the only one that got over 10mpg. I ran about 60mph and never idled.
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Originally Posted by jonp
(Post 465050)
This is an interesting thread but could someone answer a stupid question? I havn't seen an explanation as to why unplugging the egr would raise the fuel mileage.
In 2003, the OEM engine makers were required to reduce the NOx produced by the engine from 4.0 grams per horsepower-hour to 2.0 grams power horsepower-hour. Everyone except cat decided to go with EGR. EGR reduces NOx by diluting the oxygen content in the air entering the engine. Exhaust has less oxygen, therefore the nitrogen thins out the oxygen. This reduces "peak" combustion temperatures, which reduces NOx production. The problem is, it also hurts fuel mileage and actually increases PM if you don't do anything else. So the way they introduced EGR is by increasing the back pressure before the turbo with a variable geometry turbo. The "variable" is NOT to decrease spool lag, but rather to increase back pressure. Attached to the exhaust manifold is an EGR valve and the EGR system. When they want to increase EGR flow, the EGR valve opens and allows exhaust to enter back into the engine. The problem with this, is it bypasses the turbocharger. So the theory is by "shutting off" the EGR, you are: 1) Increasing exhaust flow to the turbocharger, because there is no bypass 2) Increasing the oxygen content of the air going into the engine |
Originally Posted by heavyhaulerss
(Post 465068)
the pipe I used to haul was plastic. 13 ft tall & the entire top had to be tarped. it felt like I was pulling an open parachute down the highway.
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Originally Posted by allan5oh
(Post 465082)
I can answer that. It will take a bit of history though.
In 2003, the OEM engine makers were required to reduce the NOx produced by the engine from 4.0 grams per horsepower-hour to 2.0 grams power horsepower-hour. Everyone except cat decided to go with EGR. EGR reduces NOx by diluting the oxygen content in the air entering the engine. Exhaust has less oxygen, therefore the nitrogen thins out the oxygen. This reduces "peak" combustion temperatures, which reduces NOx production. The problem is, it also hurts fuel mileage and actually increases PM if you don't do anything else. So the way they introduced EGR is by increasing the back pressure before the turbo with a variable geometry turbo. The "variable" is NOT to decrease spool lag, but rather to increase back pressure. Attached to the exhaust manifold is an EGR valve and the EGR system. When they want to increase EGR flow, the EGR valve opens and allows exhaust to enter back into the engine. The problem with this, is it bypasses the turbocharger. So the theory is by "shutting off" the EGR, you are: 1) Increasing exhaust flow to the turbocharger, because there is no bypass 2) Increasing the oxygen content of the air going into the engine |
Hey, Tracer, beat this! 1627 miles, 197 gallons, roughly 8.25 MPG! At the pump!
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Originally Posted by solo379
(Post 479484)
Hey, Tracer, beat this! 1627 miles, 197 gallons, roughly 8.25 MPG! At the pump!
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I think Solo runs dry van in the Ohio area. I can see him hitting that figure through a few ways.
65mph speed limits, relatively flat demographic, truck maintenance. Other factors woud be load weight, idle habits, and length of hauls. |
Originally Posted by BanditsCousin
(Post 479597)
I think Solo runs dry van in the Ohio area.
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Never seen a hill in PA. And never once got caught in any kind of traffic in NJ. I cruise right up 95N and over the GWB at 4pm all the time :)
Solo, you've mentioned you specs before, but tell us again. I know my T600 is specc'd a lot differently, and mine not so much in favor of mpgs! I can get close to your mpg empty at around 43,000 (hhg wagons are heavy). |
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