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NotSteve 09-06-2008 09:53 PM
Oh yea. Rev, how many years do you figure your truck will last before it gets replaced?

How much will it be worth then?

How much will a new one cost?

And, how much per mile are you putting away called profit to plan for that day?

NotSteve 09-06-2008 09:55 PM
Bed time....I have 4 maybe 500 miles to drive tomorrow. I really need to stop pushing myself. I am, a super freaking trucker!

tootie04 09-06-2008 10:04 PM
So Rev, how often do you get that 1.90 per mile?? Is that the least you will take to run? Or is this 1.90 you need to average over a quarter?

Rev.Vassago 09-06-2008 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by NotSteve
Oh yea. Rev, how many years do you figure your truck will last before it gets replaced?
Last? Longer than I own it.

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How much will it be worth then?
Depends upon the market, but I would think $30,000 - $40,000.

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How much will a new one cost?
Don't know, don't care.

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And, how much per mile are you putting away called profit to plan for that day?
Not a damn penny. I'm not replacing my truck. Ever.

Rev.Vassago 09-06-2008 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by tootie04
So Rev, how often do you get that 1.90 per mile?? Is that the least you will take to run? Or is this 1.90 you need to average over a quarter?
My monthly averages have been over $1.90 per mile. But then again, I don't calculate my expenses this way anyway, because it is assuming a fixed amount of miles per month. I calculate my expenses by the day, because the amount of days in the year only changes once every 4 years. The amount of miles one averages per month can change from month to month.

rank 09-07-2008 03:00 AM
Pretty cool how your maitenance & repairs are right around $10,000/year. Just about exactly what I find also.

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Originally Posted by NotSteve
I've run the 300 to 500 mile runs and it sucks. Your lucky to
do 3 a week.

Monday 08am get on the boards for a load.
10am find a load
12am paper work done and rate conformation
02pm at customer site waiting
03pm starting to load
05pm done loading and tarping and shipping papers in hand
Spend rest of night fighting traffic and finding a spot
to park and most likely have to pay also.

Tuesday 08am start driving lets say 400 miles average 51mph
05pm Get to customer site. They stopped at 3pm

Wednesday 08am waiting with 3 other trucks in front of you that
were there yesterday
01pm unloaded
03pm Found another load
05pm Paper work done for next load but day is done
Spend rest of night fighting traffic and finding a spot
to park and most likely have to pay also.

Thursday 08am Drive to customer site to load
09am Pull in. Find out 5 other trucks spent the night
03pm Loading
05pm Done loading
Spend rest of night fighting traffic and finding a spot
to park and most likely have to pay also.

Friday 08am Start driving lets say 500 miles average 51mph
05pm Get to customer site. They just stopped for the day
Spend rest of night fighting traffic and finding a spot
to park and most likely have to pay also.

Saturday Wake up in truck stop jammed. Hookers and people wanting to
shine your wheels and homo's on the CB. 100 degrees and
the smell of
urine, septic systems overflowing and rotting trash in the dumpsters
fills the air. Take shower in the worst stall you can imagine with
pubic hairs stuck to your feet and a towel that looks like a shop
rag. Worry the rest of the day that your truck doesn't get hit or
vandalized.

Sunday Pretty much the same

Monday Up early to make it to the customer to be first in line. Big
surprise, 10 other trucks had the same idea or spent the
weekend there.

Total for week. 900 miles and gross $2,700. Ready for Prozac and
Valium.
LOL, yeah that sounds about right.

But the idea of those 300 - 500 mile runs is to stay in one area so you can spend more time at home (possibly) and learn where to stay, learn the shippers etc. Soon it gets to be just like your back yard.

rank 09-07-2008 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by NotSteve
I'm surprised all you guys are incapable of answering his question. If not for him, list your figures as an example.
I answered it. $1.80 including driver...so deduct whatever he pays the driver...voila!

rank 09-07-2008 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by NotSteve
The only people who post numbers are myself, Charged and Pepe before he got fed up with everyone.
Dude, I AM the ORIGINAL number poster....posted load by load, posted exact maintenance & repair costs for 4 trucks & 5 trailers, even posted quarterly results.

I even offered you great paying loads right here on this board, and later via cell phone so you bask in the glow of my success and verify my numbers. :)

He can do a search faster than I can post (again) for another fly by nighter.

NotSteve 09-07-2008 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by rank
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Originally Posted by NotSteve
The only people who post numbers are myself, Charged and Pepe before he got fed up with everyone.
Dude, I AM the ORIGINAL number poster....posted load by load, posted exact maintenance & repair costs for 4 trucks & 5 trailers, even posted quarterly results.

I even offered you great paying loads right here on this board, and later via cell phone so you bask in the glow of my success and verify my numbers. :)

He can do a search faster than I can post (again) for another fly by nighter.
Your not the original posted in this thread. We wanted numbers posted in the form Stan had so we can all talk on a level playing field.

And your loads were OK but no back haul and I've had it with Canada. I actually just sent you a new shipper but never heard back!!!

Rev.Vassago 09-07-2008 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by NotSteve

Your not the original posted in this thread. We wanted numbers posted in the form Stan had so we can all talk on a level playing field.
Sounds like you are in cahoots with this guy Steve. You haven't been prompting him in any way, have you? From the thread on the truckers report, it sounds like you have.....


Granted, that would answer the question as to why his business logic made no sense..... :lol:

charged 09-07-2008 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
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Originally Posted by NotSteve

Your not the original posted in this thread. We wanted numbers posted in the form Stan had so we can all talk on a level playing field.
Sounds like you are in cahoots with this guy Steve. You haven't been prompting him in any way, have you? From the thread on the truckers report, it sounds like you have.....


Granted, that would answer the question as to why his business logic made no sense..... :lol:
I'm not in cahoots with steve, but if I were in cahoots with someone it would be him. He seems like a good guy.

Orangetxguy 09-08-2008 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by NotSteve
I already did in a previous post a few days ago. I filled out the form that Stan posted.

I don't know what "list" you think I posted...but I didn't post one.

I did add a couple numbers to "Charged's" shorted list.

Orangetxguy 09-08-2008 01:35 AM
[quote="charged"]
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Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
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Originally Posted by charged
Thanks for posting the numbers. I have modified them for 8k miles/mo and to reflect no health insurance and no wages and no food. Just truck expenses.
DEAR LORD, LET THIS IDIOT ACTUALLY LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING, SO THAT HE LEARNS THAT A BUSINESS OWNER IS NOT IN BUSINESS TO WORK FOR FREE!
Removing the wages gets us down to the what an owner operator must make to break even. Now with the $1.22/mi break even figure I can figure how much one needs to make per mile to make $10k/mo or $9k/mo and buy a real apu that won't burn down a truck and smoke out the neighbors.

I don't think it is "working for free." I think it's working free or maybe working free of charge.[/quote]

Working for free....working free of charge...which ever. Nothing for nothing.


As an Owner Operator, whom drives my own truck, I include wages in my "Break Even Point". If my truck does not generate enough revenue to pay my wages, as well as the taxes on those wages, then my truck ran at a loss...Which means I PAID TO HAUL SOMEONE'S FREIGHT....which just pizzez me off.

Orangetxguy 09-08-2008 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by NotSteve
I guess what I'm asking is for people like you Stan, Rev and GMAN to post and list out your operating expenses and what it really costs.

I have a feeling none of you will and will answer in a typical politician type response by evading those specific numbers.

I would like to see it all like Stan broke down in his previous post.
I'm on the road now teve..and don't have my "numbers" with me. I don't keep my finances on a computer that is hooked to the net. That computer is stand alone, with just quickbook on it. All the paperwork and that puter are in a water proof tub right now...in case Ike hits the house while I am gone.

rank 09-08-2008 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by NotSteve
I actually just sent you a new shipper but never heard back!!!
Dang! Thanks. I haven't checked my e-mail in a while.

rank 09-08-2008 04:32 AM
got it. you have mail.

NotSteve 09-08-2008 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Orangetxguy
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Originally Posted by NotSteve
I already did in a previous post a few days ago. I filled out the form that Stan posted.

I don't know what "list" you think I posted...but I didn't post one.

I did add a couple numbers to "Charged's" shorted list.
Sorry, I thought that was you who posted the original form to figure out operating costs.

Orangetxguy 09-08-2008 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by NotSteve
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Originally Posted by Orangetxguy
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Originally Posted by NotSteve
I already did in a previous post a few days ago. I filled out the form that Stan posted.

I don't know what "list" you think I posted...but I didn't post one.

I did add a couple numbers to "Charged's" shorted list.
Sorry, I thought that was you who posted the original form to figure out operating costs.
Yeah...It is the same guy who doesn't think wages are associated with truck operational expenses. He doesn't include things like internet services, phones, faxing, and on down the dirty list of expenses a truck must bare. If this kid and his Dad can keep their "Break Even" at $1.29 with fuel running at the prices it is, while working one truck alone under their own authority...good for them.

I doubt that they are doing it...I doubt that they are making any money. Money enough to cover the truck and wages.

With just a tractor, leased to a Carrier that bares a portion of the operating cost's, I'm lucky to break even at $1.28 per mile. At $1.18 per mile I am burning the phone lines ripping at dispatchers and managers. At $1.859 per mile I hold my tongue.

NotSteve 09-08-2008 09:16 AM
I'm just lucky I don't have a truck or trailer payment, no wife, no child support, no alimony and no bills. And in the Johnny Cash lookalike case, no Prozac or male enhancement drug payments.

Rev.Vassago 09-08-2008 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by NotSteve
I'm just lucky I don't have a truck or trailer payment, no wife, no child support, no alimony and no bills.

TRANSLATION = If my truck takes a shit, I'm screwed.

charged 09-08-2008 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Orangetxguy
Yeah...It is the same guy who doesn't think wages are associated with truck operational expenses. He doesn't include things like internet services, phones, faxing, and on down the dirty list of expenses a truck must bare. If this kid and his Dad can keep their "Break Even" at $1.29 with fuel running at the prices it is, while working one truck alone under their own authority...good for them.

I doubt that they are doing it...I doubt that they are making any money. Money enough to cover the truck and wages.
I did include phone and internet.

NotSteve 09-08-2008 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
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Originally Posted by NotSteve
I'm just lucky I don't have a truck or trailer payment, no wife, no child support, no alimony and no bills.

TRANSLATION = If my truck takes a $&!+, I'm screwed.
Better than your homemade POS generator getting flaming butt hole and burning the truck to the ground!!! lol

Rev.Vassago 09-08-2008 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by NotSteve
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Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
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Originally Posted by NotSteve
I'm just lucky I don't have a truck or trailer payment, no wife, no child support, no alimony and no bills.

TRANSLATION = If my truck takes a $&!+, I'm screwed.
Better than your homemade POS generator getting flaming butt hole and burning the truck to the ground!!! lol

Truck burning to the ground = insurance claim paid.

POS truck breaking down and dying = up a creek.


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