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Perfect Storm?
"Wow" is all I can say about this economy right now. We have a housing bubble collapse, weakening dollar, soaring energy prices, as well as rising food prices. It looks like the Fed is going to cut the rate again in March which will further weaken the dollar, causing oil to rise even further. I ran across this article in Yahoo Finance. I'll paste it below also.
Oil Rally May Be Economy's Undoing Saturday March 8, 5:36 am ET By Joe Bel Bruno, AP Business Writer Record Oil Prices Becoming Hard to Ignore for Investors Preoccupied by Credit Crisis NEW YORK (AP) -- Preoccupied the last few months with shrinking credit and a slumping economy, Wall Street has all but ignored the relentless rise in oil prices that has taken a barrel of crude to a once-unthinkable $106. ADVERTISEMENT But the market may not be able to look the other way much longer -- especially when consumers, already hurting from the soaring cost of gasoline, find themselves paying even more to fill their tanks come spring. "Investors are just getting used to higher oil prices in what has really been a stealth rally," said Peter Dunay, chief investment strategist with Meridian Equity Partners. He said lofty oil prices "should be getting lots of attention" by Wall Street. But, investors have instead been distracted by a nearly endless stream of bad news about the economy -- from banks taking steep write-downs for soured mortgages to the loss of tens of thousands of jobs. To be sure, there is a lot for Wall Street to worry about these days. Major stock indexes have slid by double digits since the start of the year as economists fear the economy might already be in a recession. And, the summer's subprime mortgage collapse continues to threaten financial institutions around the world. Although there certainly were many days last year that Wall Street tumbled in response to the punishing march in oil prices, the advance toward $100 a barrel at 2007's end and the surpassing of that milestone this year might actually have been welcomed by some investors. Institutions have been piling into crude -- along with other commodities -- to flee not just sagging stocks but also the flailing U.S. dollar. The greenback's fall against other major currencies has helped drive buying across commodities as investors overseas view dollar-denominated assets as relatively cheap. Meanwhile, big institutional investors have used hard assets like oil as a hedge against inflation. On Friday, oil prices jumped to a new record above $106 on the New York Mercantile Exchange. At the pump, gas prices are 68 cents higher than a year ago, and within a nickel of last May's record price of $3.227 a gallon. And they can only go higher as the summer driving season, which always sends gas climbing, arrives. Those prices, which have sent the cost of almost everything in the economy higher, are expected to translate into a further increase in inflation. A growing number of economists are becoming concerned that the Federal Reserve, which has been cutting rates in hopes of reinvigorating the economy, will be forced to stop because of the overall effect of more expensive energy. Should the central bank cut rates at its March 18 meeting, which is widely expected, that move could also further weaken the dollar -- and possibly keep the cycle of rising oil prices going. Then there is the problem of an even greater impact on the consumer -- whose growing hesitation about spending has been reflected in weak retail sales, even during the holiday season. What happens as gasoline prices in particular increase? The fear is that Americans, forced to pay more money for gasoline and overwhelmed by other economic issues, will continue to hunker down. "The U.S. consumer, who has carried the economy for the past half-dozen years, is in full defensive mode, battered by falling housing values, spiking food and energy prices, tightening lending standards, the teetering stock market and hints of weakening in the labor market," said T.J. Marta, economic and fixed income strategist for RBC Capital Markets. He said the consumer is clearly pulling back, and the retrenchment could dramatically pick up speed as energy prices rise. Losing the consumer -- whose spending accounts for more than two-thirds of the U.S. economy -- would have disastrous effects, analysts said. Wal-Mart Stores Inc. reported better-than-expected same-store sales for February this past week. However, investors' cheer was short-lived as the gains appeared to come from bargain-seeking consumers who appeared to pare their purchases elsewhere. Dunay said monitoring earnings and sales reports at the world's largest retailer is a good way to gauge the mood of consumers. And it's not just big-ticket purchases like televisions and computers used to determine if consumers are nervous. "Many Wal-Marts have started to stock more food on their shelves," he said. "And, that's a really telling sign." AP Business Writer John Wilen contributed to this report. People are definitely changing their habits and eventually this commodity bubble will burst, but when? Five dollar fuel? Six? Last week I bought 150 gallons of heating oil for 3.48 a gallon. I wanted to try to hold out but with a cold snap coming I didn't want to chance it and all the companies have a 150 gallon minimum. Sucks when you know you're getting screwed but have no choice. Batten down the hatches folks! I might be hitch hiking to MATS! :shock: |
Re: Perfect Storm?
Originally Posted by RostyC
"Wow" is all I can say about this economy right now. We have a housing bubble collapse, weakening dollar, soaring energy prices, as well as rising food prices. It looks like the Fed is going to cut the rate again in March which will further weaken the dollar, causing oil to rise even further. I ran across this article in Yahoo Finance. I'll paste it below also.
Oil Rally May Be Economy's Undoing Saturday March 8, 5:36 am ET By Joe Bel Bruno, AP Business Writer Record Oil Prices Becoming Hard to Ignore for Investors Preoccupied by Credit Crisis NEW YORK (AP) -- Preoccupied the last few months with shrinking credit and a slumping economy, Wall Street has all but ignored the relentless rise in oil prices that has taken a barrel of crude to a once-unthinkable $106. ADVERTISEMENT But the market may not be able to look the other way much longer -- especially when consumers, already hurting from the soaring cost of gasoline, find themselves paying even more to fill their tanks come spring. "Investors are just getting used to higher oil prices in what has really been a stealth rally," said Peter Dunay, chief investment strategist with Meridian Equity Partners. He said lofty oil prices "should be getting lots of attention" by Wall Street. But, investors have instead been distracted by a nearly endless stream of bad news about the economy -- from banks taking steep write-downs for soured mortgages to the loss of tens of thousands of jobs. To be sure, there is a lot for Wall Street to worry about these days. Major stock indexes have slid by double digits since the start of the year as economists fear the economy might already be in a recession. And, the summer's subprime mortgage collapse continues to threaten financial institutions around the world. Although there certainly were many days last year that Wall Street tumbled in response to the punishing march in oil prices, the advance toward $100 a barrel at 2007's end and the surpassing of that milestone this year might actually have been welcomed by some investors. Institutions have been piling into crude -- along with other commodities -- to flee not just sagging stocks but also the flailing U.S. dollar. The greenback's fall against other major currencies has helped drive buying across commodities as investors overseas view dollar-denominated assets as relatively cheap. Meanwhile, big institutional investors have used hard assets like oil as a hedge against inflation. On Friday, oil prices jumped to a new record above $106 on the New York Mercantile Exchange. At the pump, gas prices are 68 cents higher than a year ago, and within a nickel of last May's record price of $3.227 a gallon. And they can only go higher as the summer driving season, which always sends gas climbing, arrives. Those prices, which have sent the cost of almost everything in the economy higher, are expected to translate into a further increase in inflation. A growing number of economists are becoming concerned that the Federal Reserve, which has been cutting rates in hopes of reinvigorating the economy, will be forced to stop because of the overall effect of more expensive energy. Should the central bank cut rates at its March 18 meeting, which is widely expected, that move could also further weaken the dollar -- and possibly keep the cycle of rising oil prices going. Then there is the problem of an even greater impact on the consumer -- whose growing hesitation about spending has been reflected in weak retail sales, even during the holiday season. What happens as gasoline prices in particular increase? The fear is that Americans, forced to pay more money for gasoline and overwhelmed by other economic issues, will continue to hunker down. "The U.S. consumer, who has carried the economy for the past half-dozen years, is in full defensive mode, battered by falling housing values, spiking food and energy prices, tightening lending standards, the teetering stock market and hints of weakening in the labor market," said T.J. Marta, economic and fixed income strategist for RBC Capital Markets. He said the consumer is clearly pulling back, and the retrenchment could dramatically pick up speed as energy prices rise. Losing the consumer -- whose spending accounts for more than two-thirds of the U.S. economy -- would have disastrous effects, analysts said. Wal-Mart Stores Inc. reported better-than-expected same-store sales for February this past week. However, investors' cheer was short-lived as the gains appeared to come from bargain-seeking consumers who appeared to pare their purchases elsewhere. Dunay said monitoring earnings and sales reports at the world's largest retailer is a good way to gauge the mood of consumers. And it's not just big-ticket purchases like televisions and computers used to determine if consumers are nervous. "Many Wal-Marts have started to stock more food on their shelves," he said. "And, that's a really telling sign." AP Business Writer John Wilen contributed to this report. People are definitely changing their habits and eventually this commodity bubble will burst, but when? Five dollar fuel? Six? Last week I bought 150 gallons of heating oil for 3.48 a gallon. I wanted to try to hold out but with a cold snap coming I didn't want to chance it and all the companies have a 150 gallon minimum. Sucks when you know you're getting screwed but have no choice. Batten down the hatches folks! I might be hitch hiking to MATS! :shock: I never though the day would come when the Canadian dollar was worth more than ours |
"take off aye, you hooser."
Quote from the MacKenzie Brothers |
I'm hearing now the shoe is getting ready to drop on commercial lending, which will effect commercial construction. It's already getting bad in construction as the residential guys are coming over to commercial and bidding cheap. I got outbid the other day on a job in downtown Baltimore by half..........HALF! I just shook my head.
Perhaps we should hold off on building any walls on the southern border, as the illegals might be heading home soon. Probably more work back home. :lol: :lol: I like that avatar jedfxg, best rockn roll band in the world! |
The thing about current oil prices is that they totally unsupported by any fundamentals. Stocks and reserves are growing and demand is, or should be, falling as the economy weakens. My personal opinion is that at least $30.00 of the current oil price is due to speculation. The root cause of which is that we have a global crisis of excess liquidity. A bunch of the money that was buying mortgage backed securities is now chasing oil futures. I predict that the price of oil will drop dramatically at some point, I'm just not sure when, or how much damage will be done to the economy before it does.
My favorite conspiriacy theory is that our current regime knows that it will be out of power next year, and is doing everything it can to destroy the nations economy, so the new regime will have a huge mess to deal with at home as well as in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'd say if that's there goal, they are doing a great job. |
Originally Posted by LightsChromeHorsepower
The thing about current oil prices is that they totally unsupported by any fundamentals. Stocks and reserves are growing and demand is, or should be, falling as the economy weakens. My personal opinion is that at least $30.00 of the current oil price is due to speculation. The root cause of which is that we have a global crisis of excess liquidity. A bunch of the money that was buying mortgage backed securities is now chasing oil futures. I predict that the price of oil will drop dramatically at some point, I'm just not sure when, or how much damage will be done to the economy before it does.
It's almost fascinating to watch all this unfold but at the same time it's not fun filling the tank. :cry: |
Originally Posted by LightsChromeHorsepower
My favorite conspiriacy theory is that our current regime knows that it will be out of power next year, and is doing everything it can to destroy the nations economy, so the new regime will have a huge mess to deal with at home as well as in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I'd say if that's there goal, they are doing a great job. |
If you think he's been doing a great job, I want the name of your drug connection. You're obviously smoking better stuff than I can find.
Unless you think having the economy and the environment both destroyed, while watching the greatest concentration of wealth in the hands of the upper class in 80 years, and seeing real jobs for the middle class move offshore at an unprecedented rate while speculators grow wealthier and the rest of us will spend decades paying the several trillion dollar bill for a completely unneccessary war is all good. In that case we are in wonderful shape. Just keep buying all the Chinese made shit at Wal Mart and don't worry about your right of habeas corpus. Ignorance is bliss. |
Exactly, except for last week when crude inventory dropped some, it had been rising for 6 or 7 weeks,as well as gasoline. As I don't know what either US or WW inventories are, I hope you're right and Mr Market adjusts to the decreased demand and those speculators get burned (oil burn??). |
Originally Posted by LightsChromeHorsepower
If you think he's been doing a great job, I want the name of your drug connection. RUSH LIMBAUGH You're obviously smoking better stuff than I can find.
Unless you think having the economy and the environment both destroyed, while watching the greatest concentration of wealth in the hands of the upper class in 80 years, and seeing real jobs for the middle class move offshore at an unprecedented rate while speculators grow wealthier and the rest of us will spend decades paying the several trillion dollar bill for a completely unneccessary war is all good. In that case we are in wonderful shape. Just keep buying all the Chinese made $&!+ at Wal Mart and don't worry about your right of habeas corpus. Ignorance is bliss. |
Originally Posted by LightsChromeHorsepower
If you think he's been doing a great job, I want the name of your drug connection. You're obviously smoking better stuff than I can find.
Unless you think having the economy and the environment both destroyed, while watching the greatest concentration of wealth in the hands of the upper class in 80 years, and seeing real jobs for the middle class move offshore at an unprecedented rate while speculators grow wealthier and the rest of us will spend decades paying the several trillion dollar bill for a completely unneccessary war is all good. In that case we are in wonderful shape. Just keep buying all the Chinese made $&!+ at Wal Mart and don't worry about your right of habeas corpus. Ignorance is bliss. I've seen Bush for what he is since very early in his first term. I've been called every name under the sun by all manner of flag wavers as they struggle to support the worst president in the history of the United States. My favourite is "How dare you not support our troops"...because you've been brainwashed into thinking that lack of support for bush is lack of support for the troops. I find it funny how all the Bush Bashers like you are crawling out of the wood work now that he's almost out of office. Lou Dobbs even approached the threshold of anger a couple of evenings ago on his TV show. You're all so brainwashed to speak out against the presidency it's laughable. And this from folks who tout their "freedom" at every opportunity. I find it ironic that people put an oil man in the white house and then complain when oil prices go up. I stood in disbelief when I watched the leaders of the free world re-elect Hitler's spawn. Yeah. I'm the ignorant one. :roll: |
Rank, I thought the same thing when I read what you wrote - going back, I caught the intent, but it just didn't come across real well at first. Just one of the perils of the internets. :lol:
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Originally Posted by rank
I find it funny how all the Bush Bashers like you are crawling out of the wood work now that he's almost out of office.
I find it ironic that people put an oil man in the white house and then complain when oil prices go up. If anyone thinks that our current President won't become the richest former President in history they are sadly mistaken,he will be put on many stockholders boards and given some ungodly fee for speaking engagements(kinda ironic). |
Originally Posted by mike3fan
Originally Posted by rank
I find it funny how all the Bush Bashers like you are crawling out of the wood work now that he's almost out of office.
I find it ironic(Aint't it though !!) that people put an oil man in the white house and then complain when oil prices go up. If anyone thinks that our current President won't become the richest former President in history they are sadly mistaken,he will be put on many stockholders boards and given some ungodly fee for speaking engagements(kinda ironic). And we will still be left holding the bag...but Republicans are just not seeing the bag(They get to hold some of it too...at least those Repub's whom are not in the super-rich catagory)...it is pretty transparent material. |
Here is someone with his head in the clouds.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080308/...jD6gwn4j2yBhIF STANFORD, California (Reuters) - Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson on Friday reiterated his view that a strong dollar was in the U.S. interest and the greenback's value would ultimately reflect strong economic fundamentals. "The strong dollar is in the nation's interest. Our economy like any other has got its ups and downs," Paulson told an economic policy conference at Stanford University. "The long term fundamentals are strong. And I'm confident they'll be reflected in currency market." The dollar has declined in value as the U.S. economy has weakened under the strain of a housing crisis and financial market turmoil. Federal Reserve interest rate cuts have also reduced the dollar's value against major currencies including the euro and Britain's pound. (Reporting by David Lawder, editing by Todd Eastham) |
Paulson is completely beholden to Goldman Sachs , his former employer.
These people have major investments in the developing world and couldn't give two sh$ts about american people. Last year the average salary at Goldman Sachs in New York was over $600,000. That's average. Imagine what Paulson's buddies are making. The middle class is disappearing and a whole bunch of people who like it that way. Bush is just a simpleton pawn in the rich man's game |
Originally Posted by trinitron
Bush is just a simpleton
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Originally Posted by Orangetxguy
"The strong dollar is in the nation's interest. Our economy like any other has got its ups and downs," Paulson told an economic policy conference at Stanford University. "The long term fundamentals are strong. And I'm confident they'll be reflected in currency market."
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Rank-
My profound apologies for the flame job. I regretted about 45 seconds after I submitted it- Thats when I saw it was you I was responding to. You are one of the 3 or 4 best posters on here & you did not deserve that. Again, my apologies. |
fuggedaboutit. I over reacted with my retort anyway. It's just.....I dislike that guy more than Gman dislikes cheap freight.
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Originally Posted by geomon
Exactly, except for last week when crude inventory dropped some, it had been rising for 6 or 7 weeks,as well as gasoline. As I don't know what either US or WW inventories are, I hope you're right and Mr Market adjusts to the decreased demand and those speculators get burned (oil burn??). |
I read yesterday that the demand for gasoline in Calif. has actually dropped in the past couple of years, and that's a trend taking hold in the rest of the U.S. as well.
Another hidden blessing of the high oil prices is that alternative fuels do become more economically viable, and research into them intensifies. Someday, somebody will find an alternative that works. |
Well, i can not say it's easy on my business :sad: , but something has to be done. Demand is weak, and supply is high, and it takes time for market readjustment. The only question remains;- Have we had rich bottom yet?
Personally, i believe it's gonna get worse, before it gets better, and switched to "survival mode" now, and it doesn't mean a lot of "fast and cheap" miles! :roll: |
I haven't moved a load for hire in 6 weeks. Screw them.
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There is nothing any of us can do about the high fuel costs. The only thing you can do is to refuse to haul freight that doesn't make a profit for your business. Let the cheap freight sit on the dock. Refusing to haul cheap freight is the only thing that will keep the wheels rolling with the high fuel costs. Every time the cost of fuel goes up, you should raise the minimum rate for which you will haul a load. I have never understood why anyone would haul freight for less than it costs to operate. I won't waste my time or money on freight that won't pay a profit. A friend of mine calculated that his costs of operating is approximately $1.57/mile with current fuel prices. If that is the case, it would be foolish for him to haul a load which pays less. In order to show a fair profit, he should be getting around a minimum of $2.25-2.50/mile. There are still those trying to move freight for $1/mile. :roll:
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Originally Posted by LightsChromeHorsepower
The thing about current oil prices is that they totally unsupported by any fundamentals. Stocks and reserves are growing and demand is, or should be, falling as the economy weakens. My personal opinion is that at least $30.00 of the current oil price is due to speculation. The root cause of which is that we have a global crisis of excess liquidity. A bunch of the money that was buying mortgage backed securities is now chasing oil futures. I predict that the price of oil will drop dramatically at some point, I'm just not sure when, or how much damage will be done to the economy before it does.
My favorite conspiriacy theory is that our current regime knows that it will be out of power next year, and is doing everything it can to destroy the nations economy, so the new regime will have a huge mess to deal with at home as well as in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'd say if that's there goal, they are doing a great job. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080311/..._ge/oil_prices Oil prices above $107 a barrel in Asia By GILLIAN WONG, Associated Press Writer Tue Mar 11, 2:13 AM ET SINGAPORE - Oil prices were steady above $107 a barrel after rising to a record in the previous session as the U.S. dollar weakened further. Speculation that rising prices for oil and other commodities will offset the falling dollar has driven oil's rally from $87 a barrel in January. The dollar has fallen to three-year lows against the yen and the head of the European Central Bank expressed concern Monday about the "disorderly movements" of exchange rates. "This surge to new records is driven by the speculative and large funds moving money into commodities. It's primarily a U.S. dollar and inflation play by financial investors," said Victor Shum, an energy analyst with Purvin & Gertz in Singapore. Light, sweet crude for April delivery dropped 21 cents to $107.69 a barrel in Asian electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange, by midday in Singapore. Crude futures on Monday rose $2.75 to settle at a record $107.90 a barrel after setting an all-time trading high of $108.21 earlier in the session. Many analysts believe speculative investing attracted by the weak dollar is the primary reason oil has risen so far so fast in recent months. Crude futures offer a hedge against a falling dollar, and oil futures bought and sold in dollars are more attractive to foreign investors when the dollar is falling. There was little in oil's price uncertainty to convince analysts that the huge runup in oil prices has run its course. Analysts have said expectations are growing that the U.S. Federal Reserve would cut interest rates at its policy planners' next meeting March 18. "Lower interest rates would mean increasing liquidity, which means a further weakening of the U.S. dollar and rising U.S. inflation," Shum said. "What that means for investors is that they therefore move their money into commodities as a hedge against inflation." While the dollar fluctuated against the euro on Monday, many investors believe the greenback is likely to keep falling as the Fed continues to cut rates. Many analysts believe the rise in crude prices is not supported by the market's underlying fundamentals, noting that supplies are generally rising while demand is falling. "Crude oil futures' relentless advance is a price bubble and certainly, a sharp pullback cannot be ruled out," Shum said. "What may at some point trigger investors to exit oil is perhaps a build up of poor economic data out of the U.S.," he added. "That may be enough of a trigger to refocus attentions on the U.S. and slow oil demand growth there." Other energy futures were mixed Tuesday. April heating oil futures rose 0.16 cent to $2.975 a gallon while April gasoline futures lost 0.5 cent to settle at $2.7099 a gallon. April natural gas futures fell 2.3 cents to $10.001 per 1,000 cubic feet after settling at $10.024 on Monday, the first time a natural gas contract has closed above $10 since January 2006. Natural gas was following oil higher, but also rising in anticipation of cooler temperatures across the U.S. Midwest and Northeast, analysts said. In London, Brent crude futures were flat at $104.16 a barrel on the ICE Futures exchange. The U.S. Energy Information Administration releases its short-term energy outlook later Tuesday and weekly oil and product inventory data on Wednesday. These indicators, along with the Commerce Department's retail sales data release on Thursday, are traditionally used as cues for oil prices, though their impact has been muted lately. A Dow Jones Newswires survey of analysts found an average forecast of a 1.7 million barrel increase in oil inventories for the week ending March 7, a 100,000 barrel increase in gasoline stocks and a 2 million barrel draw in distillate inventories. Last week saw a surprise draw in oil inventories, after seven-straight weeks of gains. |
If the price rise is speculative (and I happen to agree that it is) the fund mangers will be running for the exits shortly. Classic pump and dump.
One of the certainties in life is that diesel prices rise in the winter. With that in mind I approached my fuel supplier (we have tanks on site) last Sept about buying ~15,000 gallons of fuel in November (it was ~$3.75 IIRC) and having them deliver all winter. Of course they wouldn't go for it. So then I thought about buying more tanks and taking delivery of it. But then it would have been summer fuel and I would have to factor in the cost of the additives. Then the only "option" left (no pun intended) was the futures market, but I have to buy the contracts in US dollars and I figured that any profits would have been eaten up by currency losses (i.e I make 20% profit on the oil futures but the US dollar drops 10% against the CDN dollar + I need to pay brokerage fees. I thought about buying a local fuel distribution company, but he said the Flying J sells it for his cost. Needless to say, I am still looking for an angle. |
Some of the talking heads were saying yesterday that the FED made a wise move, which could possibly start to strengthen the dollar and you might see fuel start to decrease, *possibly* plummet. Let's see how much they cut the rate on the 16th or 18th, I forget which day it is. If it's 75bp fuel might stay up if it less we'll see what happens to the dollar.
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It's been too many years since I took an econ class and I can't quite logic this through. Please help me if you can-
How do domestic interest rates affect the strengh of the dollar? f the Fed keeps cutting rates, won't that keep driving the dollar down? It seems to me that low interest U.S. rates require a cheap dollar to continue to attract the foreign investors that we need to keep supporting our huge national debt, trade deficit and current accounts deficit. The bottom line, as I see it, is that we have been running on credit for far too long, and at some point the bills have to be paid. The longer Greenspan, Bernanke et al keep jiggering things around, the bigger the bills get, and the greater the impact on the average citizen will be when they finally come due. |
If your referring to my post LCH, perhaps I didn't word it properly because I agree with your post, rate cuts weakens the dollar.
I was referring to the deal the Fed offered the banks yesterday causing the market to launch upward, although it seems now to have lost enthusiasm. :? |
Rosty- I got what you were saying, I'm just thinking that we aren't likely to see any fuel price relief from a stronger dollar, because I don't think the dollar can strengthen, give our huge debts and deficits.
In a way, I think the value of the dollar is a reflection of what the rest of the world thinks of the U.S., particularly our fiscal and economic policies. |
Wow, Bear Sterns falls. Commodities falling today, oil is down 4.53 right now.
I ran across this article earlier today on the cheap dollar, thought it was pretty interesting. Article We might get those jobs back after all now that we'll have to work cheaper than the Indians. (dots not feathers) Also, I heard something the other day about China's economy going into a readjustment. The comment was made on some show by some analyst, I was actually only half paying attention so I can't provide a link or anything but it does make sense. Sooner or later China will go into a correction as well. Interesting day for sure. |
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