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LOAD IT 11-02-2007 04:52 PM

Merrick- Im going to pm you some Florida contacts for that Reefer.

merrick4 11-02-2007 05:00 PM

Thanks LoadIt! I appreciate it.

LOAD IT 11-02-2007 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by merrick4
Thanks LoadIt! I appreciate it.

check your pm, I sent you a few

trucker cuma 11-03-2007 03:46 AM

load it
Pepe you're making money, but you dont like the back office work involved with being a motor carrier. Find someone else to do your back office work.

Its good and cheap way.But, just make sure that your papers work done!
if you dont wanna get problem from IRS..

bigstix22 11-03-2007 04:24 AM

You want to Drive truck, be home almost every night and make more money then you can ever Imagine. Take a stroll out to Colorado and get your hands on Oil and Natural Gas boom that is taking place out in beautiful western Colorado. The housing is fair and the wages are unbelievable. Plus all the independents want that work so the local work for us that have paid their trucks off is up for the taking. Its incredible. A great place to work, live and compete. Even company drivers are making up to $100,000 a year

DaveP 11-03-2007 05:09 AM


Originally Posted by bigstix22
You want to Drive truck, be home almost every night and make more money then you can ever Imagine. Take a stroll out to Colorado and get your hands on Oil and Natural Gas boom that is taking place out in beautiful western Colorado. The housing is fair and the wages are unbelievable. Plus all the independents want that work so the local work for us that have paid their trucks off is up for the taking. Its incredible. A great place to work, live and compete. Even company drivers are making up to $100,000 a year

You sound like a driver recruiter/real estate salesperson...lol

silvan 11-03-2007 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by rank
In what other job are you asked to work 70 hours every week without overtime...?

The big pisser for me is this is the only career in America where you can earn less money for more work.

Hourly: Something happens, you spend more time, you get more hours, get more money.

Salary: Something happens, you spend more time, you get paid the same salary.

Mileage: Something happens, you spend more time, you make less money, maybe a lot less money.

It really is a crock.

I hate hourly jobs, because I'm the kind of guy who wants to get it the hell done and go home, and I hate those slow milk the clock days. I hate mileage jobs, because it's total BS to earn up to substantially less money for having to sit around through no fault of your own at all. I think salaried driving jobs are where it's at. Wish I could find another one (got laid off) that wasn't two states away with a company I don't really want to drive for.

Humbug.

(After I raised holy hell about the 20 hours I spent in the shop pretty much getting the entire fricking trailer rebuilt, they finally took a crowbar to their wallet and produced a whopping $45. $2.25 an hour boys and girls. Whoooooooo.)

pepe4158 11-03-2007 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by Joymax_Trans2
Pepe,

Don't give up. I agree with LOAD_IT, if you don't like the backoffice work and can afford to hire someone to do the paperwork for you, do it. What I have notice is that company drivers jump into being an O/O or Motor Carrier without understanding that it's a business, no matter which option you choose. You are going from employee to business person then they get so frustrated with operating the business. Being an O/O or Motor Carrier is more than just driving the truck.

Pepe, even if you run for Landstar, it is still a business. You still have to get to know their system in order to do well. Hang in there! You have plenty of support here.

True but a lease company would give me more time to concentrtate on fewer things...this is overwhelming to be honest....n not worth the extra hassel....hate to say it, i a nay-sayer too now....less you have everything lined up before with decent clients, not that good an idea.
All in all i can say, if you work hard...you avoid going broke n you dont have to be all that knowledgable....more knowledge helps, but im as stupid as they come n i am not going broke; I dont see exactly how people do.
The fact of the matter tho, this is just not worth it....if i was better at getting good clients yes....or more agressive, n hiring someone would seem to defeat the purpose. Especialy if they didnt know much n probably as small as i am surely coundnt afford someone knowladgable.
Yeah thought about partnering with someone...that ended up bad as he was just a scam artist that ran illegaly loads under my Auth. until i got it stopped.

pepe4158 11-03-2007 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by merrick4

Originally Posted by LOAD IT

Pepe you're making money, but you dont like the back office work involved with being a motor carrier. Find someone else to do your back office work. Use those shippers, pay a pretty waitress to call on shippers, you tell her what to say. If you add 17% to every broker load that you have hauled and assume thats the least the broker made off of your hard work, you might start calling those shippers and stop giving us the woe is pepe story. I'm riding you because you have taken the jump, arent giving it your ALL, and are discouraging those who want to jump behind you. You are encouraging those nay sayers who will never jump but want to say I told you so. Theres money to be made right NOW while im typing and when you are reading. You have INDEPENDENCE right now and you are going to pisss it away.

I don't understand this calling shipper thing. Excuse my ignorance as I'm really on two weeks on my own after cutting ties with other guy, but what type of commitment can I offer a shipper with one truck and when I'm all over the country? It makes sense to make contacts with them for when I am in a certain area is that basically the gist of this?

yeah that seems to be my problem.....they just blow me off since i only got one truck n trailer.....been close once or twice to getting something going but always just falls thru

pepe4158 11-03-2007 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by LOAD IT

Originally Posted by pepe4158

Originally Posted by nsxman2001

Originally Posted by pepe4158
Hmmm just wondering...why ask owner ops forums about just wanting to be a driver....I mean shouldnt the question be...going to own my first truck.....can I make $?...hate to be picky but just seems logical
Hmmm so just my 2c....I think ill take Gmans advice n lease on to Landstar next year...this having my own authority just hasnt worked out for me that well.

Sorry to hear that PEPE but i think that alot of people think automatically that getting there own Autority equals more money but in most cases it does Not and I think its because of lack of experiance. It too bad that there is alot of bad information out there and people willing to empty there saving thinking that they will get rich quick and endup going broke..

Good luck and happy motoring



Yeah certainly not going broke...Ive made a little $ n made back my investment.
I certainly didnt expect to get rich, but after 6 months I cant justify enough extra $ to keep the maitence on the trailer, worry about brokers screwing me or stiffing me, n all the DOT own authority complience hassels

Landstars looking better n better if they really will let me keep my independence.

Pepe you're making money, but you dont like the back office work involved with being a motor carrier. Find someone else to do your back office work. Use those shippers, pay a pretty waitress to call on shippers, you tell her what to say. If you add 17% to every broker load that you have hauled and assume thats the least the broker made off of your hard work, you might start calling those shippers and stop giving us the woe is pepe story. I'm riding you because you have taken the jump, arent giving it your ALL, and are discouraging those who want to jump behind you. You are encouraging those nay sayers who will never jump but want to say I told you so. Theres money to be made right NOW while im typing and when you are reading. You have INDEPENDENCE right now and you are going to pisss it away.

Yeah afraid tho i am a nay sayer now.......well not tottaly, if you can get things lined up ahead of time, good shipper connections, its a good idea....doing it seat of pants like me wasnt that good n idea.....I can keep afoat, but why work so hard for so little when the same $ all in all leasing somewhere good?

Where i really screwed up tho most....is dry van....if i had it to do over again id had gotten a flatbed step deck from day 1., I always knew others made more then us in dryvan, but I didnt dream of this much disparity in pay when talking O/O n own authority, n all the big carriers gobble up all the good dryvan freight at cheap rates.....n put grandparents in the truck cuz almost anyone can do dryvan.

pepe4158 11-03-2007 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by person

You can take as little as 40 weeks of classroom training, all paid for by the goverment
Please post link.

Hmmmm I couldnt post a link, but as a former driver trainr for big companies I could verify its true.
These kids would come in thru a Govt. training program started thru Bill Clinton n not completly phased out by Bush (tho cut back) hmmm win or something crap like that (I called it trainer loses)
Basicly if they showed they were poor (1 was in jail n flew under radar checks honest no BS) the Govt promised they would reinburse their training cost to the big Co's n even promised $ incentives for hiring them (so the whore big Co's went for it).
Hated to pick them up to train them to be honest....it wasnt just dumb luck they were poor....usually bad work ethics.

But again i ask....umm this is owner ops area isnt it....shouldnt the question be can i make $ if i own a truck.. I mean Steves the only one here who just bought a rig n went driving from scratch n he gets blasted for it (LOL).

So hows about a list of places I could possibly lease to since we have determined own authority can suck :lol:

person 11-03-2007 07:29 PM

Pepe, I get it. You're done and you're going to try the lease-on thing now. I just had a question. How come you left the board? Wouldn't it have helped when you were trying this thing to have people help you left and right with every little thing? You know every little answer is here if you ask. Seems there's some real hand holding available.

11-03-2007 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by pepe4158
But again i ask....umm this is owner ops area isnt it....shouldnt the question be can i make $ if i own a truck.. I mean Steves the only one here who just bought a rig n went driving from scratch n he gets blasted for it (LOL).

That's because I'm having fun and I enjoy it. If your mean, nasty, unhappy, truck falling apart then your OK and they will leave you alone and give you all kinds of advise.

GMAN 11-04-2007 01:05 AM

Pepe, if it is the paperwork that is getting you down, there are those who offer a service that will take care of that aspect of the business for about $50/month or less. If you want to lease to another carrier there are several who pay percentage and are usually in need of good owner operators. Landstar, CRST Malone, Mercer, Jones are a few who come to mind. You didn't mention whether you want to haul van or flats. If it is flats or steps you are interested, there are a few others who come to mind. Some require that you have your own trailer others are power only. If you pull a flat with most of these carriers you will need your own trailer or have the ability to rent one. Either from them or someone else. If you want to stay with vans, Landstar and CRST Malone has a lot of drop and hook. If you want to primarily stay in the West, there are some regional carriers who stay in that area. You can make a good living running up and down I-5. Of course, if this fuel situation doesn't change that may not continue to be the case. Right now rates seem to be somewhat lower in the Western states.

Keep in mind that all of the carriers I mentioned pay percentage. All of them have cheap as well as good paying loads. Other than the paperwork, it is much like running your own authority. It takes time to find the better paying brokers or agents. This is true whether you run your own authority or lease to a carrier. Another thing to keep in mind is that when you lease to a carrier you will likely give up about 25% of the rate. If you are running cheap freight right now, then it may not make much difference to you. You can also broker loads through most of those I mentioned. Schneider, JB Hunt and a number of other large carriers broker freight. Some pay fairly well.

Graymist 11-04-2007 01:02 AM


Originally Posted by LOAD IT
Merrick- Rank makes an excellent point here. Since you are from Florida you could do this with produce, nursery steel or other products drayed from containers in the ports. Shorthaul/regional is really where the money is. You may touch 6-9 loads and make $4500 on 2200 miles versus running OTR to make $4500 on 3000 miles in a week. Dust off your old company driver notebook and call some of those Florida shippers. What made you cut ties with the other guy?

That made for interesting reading. Would you, by any chance, have any idea of something along those lines that one can look for in the Pittsburgh PA area ?

GMAN 11-04-2007 01:58 AM

There is a lot of steel which runs from Illinois to New York that pays pretty well. A friend of mine did well with the shorter runs and was home most every night. He lives in Lewisburg and pulls a flat. He has another truck that he owns and it runs back and forth from Michigan to Pennsylvania.

Graymist 11-04-2007 02:17 AM


Originally Posted by GMAN
There is a lot of steel which runs from Illinois to New York that pays pretty well. A friend of mine did well with the shorter runs and was home most every night. He lives in Lewisburg and pulls a flat. He has another truck that he owns and it runs back and forth from Michigan to Pennsylvania.

Thanks Gman, for your response....would you happen to know who your friend works for, or company the company that he's affiliated to ? Also, would you happen to know of any such companies in that area ?

solo379 11-04-2007 02:28 AM


Originally Posted by furbis
and almost starved at $20.00 an hour.

When your costs, will catch up with your "revenue", it will seems like a lot of money, to you...! :wink:

pepe4158 11-04-2007 02:50 AM


Originally Posted by person
Pepe, I get it. You're done and you're going to try the lease-on thing now. I just had a question. How come you left the board? Wouldn't it have helped when you were trying this thing to have people help you left and right with every little thing? You know every little answer is here if you ask. Seems there's some real hand holding available.


Ummm didnt actually leave, just busy out running some months so too much going on to log in: I usually stay out a whole month or so at a time since the only real place actually live now is the Philippines at the wifes.

Once n a while I could log in here, but my connections were erratic since my air card with cingular was a disaster, so what ever connection time I had were spent on getting loads.....them n AT&T are garbage.

N....hmmm done, not exactly sure, cuz when i go to lease probably could get the screw job from trucking Co's n say no thks n just keep running own auth.....a good offer from one n yes im done, but wont hold my breath there, was a driver trainer long enough to know all these Co's out here are really just pimps n think your their whore......bastards!

Love a mom n pop place, bt dont know any around here, there probably all back east cuz family owned stuff just doesnt do well in CA...they choke the life outta them here ill tell ya :p our little commie congress here :p

11-04-2007 02:53 AM

I've been to just about every state so far and Verizon is the way to go.

pepe4158 11-04-2007 02:57 AM


Originally Posted by GMAN
Pepe, If you want to primarily stay in the West, there are some regional carriers who stay in that area. You can make a good living running up and down I-5. Of course, if this fuel situation doesn't change that may not continue to be the case. Right now rates seem to be somewhat lower in the Western states.

Ummm yeah...probably dont matter where

Keep in mind that all of the carriers I mentioned pay percentage. All of them have cheap as well as good paying loads. Other than the paperwork, it is much like running your own authority. It takes time to find the better paying brokers or agents. This is true whether you run your own authority or lease to a carrier. Another thing to keep in mind is that when you lease to a carrier you will likely give up about 25% of the rate. If you are running cheap freight right now, then it may not make much difference to you.

Bingo....yeah not a drop :-p maybe an increase lol

You can also broker loads through most of those I mentioned. Schneider, JB Hunt and a number of other large carriers broker freight. Some pay fairly well.

Yeah my 2nd load ever was a Schneider....im already set with those two


pepe4158 11-04-2007 03:00 AM


Originally Posted by SteveBooth
I've been to just about every state so far and Verizon is the way to go.

Yeah been too busy to worry about it now.....have cable at my godparents where i park now....n just get close to a big motel on the road or buy the pilot for a week at $10 rate......usually only once per month all i need.

merrick4 11-04-2007 03:59 AM

Cingular has gotten much much better. I remember first time in Montana and North Dakota I couldn't make a call, now I barely was getting dropped and the Aircard is getting better too. Much better connections now.

Pepe you know I am newer than you, but I agree with the advice given here. Person is right, a lot of hand holding (mostly mine :) ). Also I don't know what paperwork you are having trouble with, but I pay $38 a month and these people take care of my fuel tax and all license and permit issues. They give me prepaid selfaddressed envelopes and when the stuff goes to the house I just have the wife drop it in an envelope and off to them. Also they have my credit card info on file so they do everything and then just charge my card and then send a statement to the house for me to review. I realize you don't live here in the states but maybe you can get your mail forwarded.

Also as far as getting ripped off, I signed up with D&S Factors (in spite of what I read by Joymax) and before I take a load (only been doing this a couple weeks on my own) I just call them and ask if they are factorable, if not then I won't use them.

Anyway, I don't know you but you went and got your own authority for a reason so it might be worth hanging in their for a bit. Whatever you decide good luck.

pepe4158 11-04-2007 04:24 AM


Originally Posted by merrick4
Cingular has gotten much much better. I remember first time in Montana and North Dakota I couldn't make a call, now I barely was getting dropped and the Aircard is getting better too. Much better connections now.

Pepe you know I am newer than you, but I agree with the advice given here. Person is right, a lot of hand holding (mostly mine :) ). Also I don't know what paperwork you are having trouble with, but I pay $38 a month and these people take care of my fuel tax and all license and permit issues. They give me prepaid selfaddressed envelopes and when the stuff goes to the house I just have the wife drop it in an envelope and off to them. Also they have my credit card info on file so they do everything and then just charge my card and then send a statement to the house for me to review. I realize you don't live here in the states but maybe you can get your mail forwarded.

Also as far as getting ripped off, I signed up with D&S Factors (in spite of what I read by Joymax) and before I take a load (only been doing this a couple weeks on my own) I just call them and ask if they are factorable, if not then I won't use them.

Anyway, I don't know you but you went and got your own authority for a reason so it might be worth hanging in their for a bit. Whatever you decide good luck.

Hmmm I quess im not explaining myself well:
1. Never actually left the board...just inactive lomg periods cuz im busy...not to be sarcastic, but theres a real world out there...n m in it most of the time n just get too busy to post here untill times like now where im bored as hell.

2. Its not just the paper-work....all the million details I manage versus the lease company handeling them for me. I cant help but looking at my rates n saying why bother?.......true I have my freedom n independence, but doing some wondering now if it was worth it that im just so stubborn. So may just lease cuz its not really been worth it in the long run.....just a judgement call im mulling over.

LOAD IT 11-04-2007 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by Graymist

Originally Posted by LOAD IT
Merrick- Rank makes an excellent point here. Since you are from Florida you could do this with produce, nursery steel or other products drayed from containers in the ports. Shorthaul/regional is really where the money is. You may touch 6-9 loads and make $4500 on 2200 miles versus running OTR to make $4500 on 3000 miles in a week. Dust off your old company driver notebook and call some of those Florida shippers. What made you cut ties with the other guy?

That made for interesting reading. Would you, by any chance, have any idea of something along those lines that one can look for in the Pittsburgh PA area ?

What type trailer do you pull? If flats, I would contact Pittsbg. Logistics Sys, I am thinking about dedicating a couple of trucks over there. If van or reefer let me know. Anything else, I'm no help.

11-04-2007 09:15 AM

I pull for Pittsburgh Logistics when I'm in the area. I like the way they do things with there load board if your setup with them. You can see the loads and bid on them then either get rejected or accepted. It's also nice to see the check come in more than what you bid because they add on the fuel surcharge to your settlement.

heavyhaulerss 11-04-2007 09:26 AM

chuck at pls is cool to deal with.

Graymist 11-04-2007 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by LOAD IT

Originally Posted by Graymist

Originally Posted by LOAD IT
Merrick- Rank makes an excellent point here. Since you are from Florida you could do this with produce, nursery steel or other products drayed from containers in the ports. Shorthaul/regional is really where the money is. You may touch 6-9 loads and make $4500 on 2200 miles versus running OTR to make $4500 on 3000 miles in a week. Dust off your old company driver notebook and call some of those Florida shippers. What made you cut ties with the other guy?

That made for interesting reading. Would you, by any chance, have any idea of something along those lines that one can look for in the Pittsburgh PA area ?

What type trailer do you pull? If flats, I would contact Pittsbg. Logistics Sys, I am thinking about dedicating a couple of trucks over there. If van or reefer let me know. Anything else, I'm no help.

At present, I haul dry bulk....cement, sand & fy ash. I plan to move to New Castle, near Pittsburgh, by around Sept-Oct of next year, 'cos my fiancee lives there, and we plan to get married. Ideally, I'd like to do exactly what I'm doing right now, which is hauling tanks, but I'd like to keep my options open.

If I'm unable to find anything with tankers, my second preference would be van, if only to gain US driving experience for a year or 2 ( incase my Canadian truck driving experience doesn't count, which is most likely going to be the case ), before trying for tanker jobs again.


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