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-   -   What would payments be on a new truck? (https://www.classadrivers.com/forum/owner-operators-forums/21265-what-would-payments-new-truck.html)

Big John 10-13-2006 03:48 PM
What does this say? That Cat's are a dime a dozen, and Cummins are hard to come by, and are in high demand.
There are more Peterbilts with CAT's then Cumaparts, that is because Cummins are not in high demand, you don't see very many of them under the hoods at the dealership, most have CAT's. Most of your Owner Operators and alot of companys are not buying them, plain and simple! They want trucks with a good reliable engine.

Are you trying to tell me that Peterbilt Inc. is only building a few trucks with Cummins engines and most of the Peterbilts coming out of the factory have CAT's under the hood because Cummins are in high demand? If they are in high demand wouldn't Peterbilt build most of them with Cummins engines if everyone is wanting them? Maybe you should call them up in Denton and advise them of this.

Brand new 379 with a Cummins, 10 spd, 63" sleeper: $119,450
Brand new 379 with a Cat, 10 spd, 63" sleeper: $117,200

Total number of NEW 379's available with a Cummins: 21
Total number of NEW 379's available with a Cat: 332

Total number of NEW 2006 379's with a Cummins: 6
Total number of NEW 2006 379's with a Cat: 77
And you are clueless again on your Truck Paper home work, this doen't tell me a thing. There is a $2,250 price differnce, one could have more goodies then the other one, leather enterior, paint, longer W.B., ETC...


I know this firsthand, as the original truck I had money down on (which had a Cummins) was sold out from under me by the dealership, while the trucks with Cat's sat festering on the lot.
That was a sign to buy one with a CAT, their were doing you a favor and you didn't catch on. :lol:

Neither. I bought it last June.
Okay Sherlock, can't you answer a simple question?

Rev.Vassago 10-13-2006 04:44 PM
Originally Posted by Big John
There are more Peterbilts with CAT's then Cumaparts, that is because Cummins are not in high demand, you don't see very many of them under the hoods at the dealership, most have CAT's. Most of your Owner Operators and alot of companys are not buying them, plain and simple! They want trucks with a good reliable engine.

Are you trying to tell me that Peterbilt Inc. is only building a few trucks with Cummins engines and most of the Peterbilts coming out of the factory have CAT's under the hood because Cummins are in high demand? If they are in high demand wouldn't Peterbilt build most of them with Cummins engines if everyone is wanting them? Maybe you should call them up in Denton and advise them of this.
If you knew anything, you would know that the reason that most Petes are built with Cats is because of the contract that Peterbilt has with Cummins. The engines aren't even made available to Peterbilt, and are snatched up as soon as they are offered. Kenworth doesn't have this problem, and therefore has more Cummins available.

It runs along the same lines as the problem they had with Detroit around 2000. Detroit made a limited amount of engines available to Peterbilt.

But hey - if you want to blindly believe what your inept dealer is telling you, go ahead. I'll wave to you when you are broke down on the side of the road. :lol:

Big John 10-13-2006 04:51 PM
But hey - if you want to blindly believe what your inept dealer is telling you, go ahead. I'll wave to you when you are broke down on the side of the road.
I bet you would, you sound like the type of driver.

10-13-2006 07:23 PM
Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
Brand new 379 with a Cummins, 10 spd, 63" sleeper: $119,450
Brand new 379 with a Cat, 10 spd, 63" sleeper: $117,200

Total number of NEW 379's available with a Cummins: 21
Total number of NEW 379's available with a Cat: 332

Total number of NEW 2006 379's with a Cummins: 6
Total number of NEW 2006 379's with a Cat: 77

What does this say?
It says that Cat is much more popular than Cummins and the the majority of people buy them over Cummins.

brian 10-14-2006 12:29 AM
Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
Originally Posted by Big John
There are more Peterbilts with CAT's then Cumaparts, that is because Cummins are not in high demand, you don't see very many of them under the hoods at the dealership, most have CAT's. Most of your Owner Operators and alot of companys are not buying them, plain and simple! They want trucks with a good reliable engine.

Are you trying to tell me that Peterbilt Inc. is only building a few trucks with Cummins engines and most of the Peterbilts coming out of the factory have CAT's under the hood because Cummins are in high demand? If they are in high demand wouldn't Peterbilt build most of them with Cummins engines if everyone is wanting them? Maybe you should call them up in Denton and advise them of this.
If you knew anything, you would know that the reason that most Petes are built with Cats is because of the contract that Peterbilt has with Cummins. The engines aren't even made available to Peterbilt, and are snatched up as soon as they are offered. Kenworth doesn't have this problem, and therefore has more Cummins available.

It runs along the same lines as the problem they had with Detroit around 2000. Detroit made a limited amount of engines available to Peterbilt.

But hey - if you want to blindly believe what your inept dealer is telling you, go ahead. I'll wave to you when you are broke down on the side of the road. :lol:

lol so kenworth doesnt have a problem getting cummins but peterbilt does?

I find that hilarious since both companies are owned and run under the paccar banner :lol:

basically your telling him dont trust the truck dealer but trust the stranger off the internet

:lol:

Big John 10-14-2006 01:34 AM
brian wrore:
lol so kenworth doesnt have a problem getting cummins but peterbilt does?

I find that hilarious since both companies are owned and run under the paccar banner

basically your telling him dont trust the truck dealer but trust the stranger off the internet
Thank You! :)


SteveBooth wrote:
Rev.Vassago wrote:

Brand new 379 with a Cummins, 10 spd, 63" sleeper: $119,450
Brand new 379 with a Cat, 10 spd, 63" sleeper: $117,200

Total number of NEW 379's available with a Cummins: 21
Total number of NEW 379's available with a Cat: 332

Total number of NEW 2006 379's with a Cummins: 6
Total number of NEW 2006 379's with a Cat: 77

What does this say?


It says that Cat is much more popular than Cummins and the the majority of people buy them over Cummins
Exactly!!! :roll:

I just wonder if Rev.Vassago even owns a truck? :lol:

PackRatTDI 10-14-2006 02:48 AM
Originally Posted by SteveBooth
Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
Brand new 379 with a Cummins, 10 spd, 63" sleeper: $119,450
Brand new 379 with a Cat, 10 spd, 63" sleeper: $117,200

Total number of NEW 379's available with a Cummins: 21
Total number of NEW 379's available with a Cat: 332

Total number of NEW 2006 379's with a Cummins: 6
Total number of NEW 2006 379's with a Cat: 77

What does this say?
It says that Cat is much more popular than Cummins and the the majority of people buy them over Cummins.
No, it doesn't. Those numbers mean that the dealers are STUCK with a bunch of CAT equipped Pete's that they haven't been able to unload. Vehicles in high demand DO NOT languish on dealership lots. Ask anyone who has been in the market for a 2006 VW Jetta TDI in the last 8 months.

That being said, CAT owners are very proud of their purchases, I mean you always see them parked on the side of the road showing off that yellow engine.

Rev.Vassago 10-14-2006 06:09 AM
Originally Posted by brian
lol so kenworth doesnt have a problem getting cummins but peterbilt does?
Exactly

I find that hilarious since both companies are owned and run under the paccar banner :lol:
Paccar is the name of the parent company for both KW and Peterbilt (as well as several other truck manufacturers). Each makes their own deals with engine manufacturers for the amount of engines that are supplied. Peterbilt just has a lousy agreement with Cummins.

basically your telling him dont trust the truck dealer but trust the stranger off the internet
I am telling you VERBATIM what I was told from:

1. 3 Peterbilt dealers
2. Peterbilt themselves, when I spoke to them at Mid America Truck Show
3. Cummins, when I spoke to them at Mid America Truck Show

Bigmon 10-14-2006 08:51 AM
According to this site a lot fo O/O's go bankrupt and a lot of them have the populat Cat. Hmmmm...Is there a connection?

10-14-2006 09:18 AM
Originally Posted by Bigmon
According to this site a lot fo O/O's go bankrupt and a lot of them have the populat Cat. Hmmmm...Is there a connection?
You could be a politician. Your wrong though. It has to do with Global Warming.... :lol:


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