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bubbagumpshrimp 10-14-2014 11:25 PM

New guy: Looking to get CDL-A...clean driving record, veteran, no job hopping, etc.
 
I'm a veteran with only two full time employers over the past 13 years. I was in the military for six years (honorable discharge), finished up my degree over the next two years, and then spent a little over five years with one employer. I've driven large buses in the past as an extra duty, so I do have some experience operating larger vehicles. I have had no issues with the law and I have a clean driving record. From what I've been reading, the consistent work history and clean driving record are big pluses in my favor.

I've been toying with the idea of getting a CDL-A for some time as it would be a big departure from what I've been doing for the past several years (desk job). As luck would have it...the local CDL school has a full-time class starting up in a week. This class would be 100% paid for with the remainder of my G.I. bill. I've got a friend that went to this school and they helped him with job placement (they had him lined up for a job when he graduated), so I'm confident that this school will be a good route for me to go.

My question for you...what would be a good option for me, in terms of carriers (i.e. Northern Virginia and East Tennessee)? I would like to make decent money, but I've been around long enough to known that things like benefits and spending time at home are of more importance to me...so I won't be focused strictly on the base salary. I would like to get setup with a company that values their employees. By that, I mean a company that has an "environment" that would encourage someone like myself to stick around for a while. I'm not afraid of hard work, but it is important to be to be part of an organization that values its people. I would appreciate any advice that you might be able to offer. Thank you.

Edit: I'm currently living in Northern Virgina, but I'd like to relocate to East Tennessee in the near future. A company that has a presence in both places (I've found a couple just Googling around) would be a big plus to me.

Useless 10-15-2014 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbagumpshrimp (Post 532373)
1.) I'm a veteran with only two full time employers over the past 13 years.
2.) I was in the military for six years (honorable discharge), finished up my degree over the next two years, and then spent a little over five years with one employer.
3.) I've driven large buses in the past as an extra duty, so I do have some experience operating larger vehicles.
4.) I have had no issues with the law and I have a clean driving record.

You REALLY need to find something else to do. This industry is tough enough as it is, and guys like you make things difficult for the rest of us!! :p

5.) From what I've been reading, the consistent work history and clean driving record are big pluses in my favor.

That's just a nasty roomer that's been spread around by unscrupulous recruiters!!
:mad:

My question for you...what would be a good option for me, in terms of carriers (i.e. Northern Virginia and East Tennessee)? I would like to make decent money, but I've been around long enough to known that things like benefits and spending time at home are of more importance to me...so I won't be focused strictly on the base salary. I would like to get setup with a company that values their employees. By that, I mean a company that has an "environment" that would encourage someone like myself to stick around for a while. I'm not afraid of hard work, but it is important to be to be part of an organization that values its people. I would appreciate any advice that you might be able to offer. Thank you.

Edit: I'm currently living in Northern Virgina, but I'd like to relocate to East Tennessee in the near future. A company that has a presence in both places (I've found a couple just Googling around) would be a big plus to me.

Okay, if you're just hellbent on doing this, then PRIME, Inc. and C.R. England are two fine, reputable companies that offer excellent lease operator contracts that would be well suited to meet your needs!! :cool:

bubbagumpshrimp 10-15-2014 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Useless (Post 532377)
Okay, if you're just hellbent on doing this, then PRIME, Inc. and C.R. England are two fine, reputable companies that offer excellent lease operator contracts that would be well suited to meet your needs!! :cool:

Haha. Thank you. I'll check those two carriers out. Another that I've heard good things about is Schneider. It sounds like my main limitation will be my lack of experience (many carriers seem to require at least a year of documented experience). http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/...s/bac1ef8d.gif

repete 10-15-2014 05:44 PM

CRE wouldn't even make my top 100, let alone the short list.

bubbagumpshrimp 10-15-2014 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by repete (Post 532385)
CRE wouldn't even make my top 100, let alone the short list.

Yeah...when I read "lease operator contracts," I assumed that he was just being sarcastic.

GMAN 10-15-2014 09:57 PM

The main thing you need starting out is experience. Once you have a year or two behind the wheel, your options will be greatly enhanced. Schneider used to give priority to military personnel. They also had a training program. I don't know if the training program is still around. Millis, Roehl, Swift, US Xpress and Covenant are some who still offer training and all of them should service the areas that you are interested. A good company that has a terminal near the tri cities is Big G Express. They are based out of Shelbyville, TN and usually manage to get drivers home most weekends. I think they still require some driving experience. If you lived in southern Virginia or around the Tri Cities in northeastern Tennessee, it might be something that will work for you. Covenant has a school in Chattanooga. Millis has a school in Cartersville, GA. I don't know if US Xpress actually has a school near Chattanooga, but they are based in the area and have a terminal just south in Tunnel Hill, GA. Good luck.

bubbagumpshrimp 10-15-2014 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GMAN (Post 532390)
The main thing you need starting out is experience. Once you have a year or two behind the wheel, your options will be greatly enhanced. Schneider used to give priority to military personnel. They also had a training program. I don't know if the training program is still around. Millis, Roehl, Swift, US Xpress and Covenant are some who still offer training and all of them should service the areas that you are interested. A good company that has a terminal near the tri cities is Big G Express. They are based out of Shelbyville, TN and usually manage to get drivers home most weekends. I think they still require some driving experience. If you lived in southern Virginia or around the Tri Cities in northeastern Tennessee, it might be something that will work for you. Covenant has a school in Chattanooga. Millis has a school in Cartersville, GA. I don't know if US Xpress actually has a school near Chattanooga, but they are based in the area and have a terminal just south in Tunnel Hill, GA. Good luck.

I'll have to check them out. I don't live down there at the moment, but I do have friends in the area (I might be able to work out a rental arrangement if I can find a carrier down there). I've got a roof over my head at the moment is why I opted to just do the training up in Northern Virginia. My other thought (maybe incorrect) is that if I already had the CDL and required endorsements before applying...companies might be more apt to give me a chance than they might otherwise be if they had to literally train me from scratch and wait on me to pass the tests.

If I had more time to think this out (my employer folded this past Friday and I locked in my spot in this course on Saturday), I might/could have gone with one of the companies that have an in-house training program. I'm just happy that I won't have to wait too long to get going on the course (it starts next week).

As you said...at this point, I understand that I just need to get in with a carrier to get some experience before I'll have the luxury of being too picky. Getting down to the Tri-Cities area is definitely my top goal for the near future (hopefully within the next year). Thank you for your advice.

Edit: It looks like Covenant is an option for recent CDL graduates.

repete 10-21-2014 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbagumpshrimp (Post 532391)
If I had more time to think this out (my employer folded this past Friday and I locked in my spot in this course on Saturday), I might/could have gone with one of the companies that have an in-house training program. I'm just happy that I won't have to wait too long to get going on the course (it starts next week)..

Start calling companies and putting in job app's NOW, don't wait till after schools out. Your new cdl has a very short shelf life with out experience. A new employer wants to get you into a truck as soon as possible following graduation. get as many pre-hire letters you can and then start culling the herd.

bubbagumpshrimp 10-26-2014 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by repete (Post 532497)
Start calling companies and putting in job app's NOW, don't wait till after schools out. Your new cdl has a very short shelf life with out experience. A new employer wants to get you into a truck as soon as possible following graduation. get as many pre-hire letters you can and then start culling the herd.

I started this process a couple days ago. I already got a positive response from one (Werner), so that is encouraging.

How short do you think the shelf life is (you're not the first person that I've seen mention this)? i.e. If I go to part-time for the class (I have a probably work conflict coming up soon)...that will likely put me somewhere around 12/20 for a graduation date. I wouldn't want to start orientation and be gone for Christmas, if I can prevent it. That and I have to assume (maybe incorrectly) that no companies are going to want to start orientation Christmas week...so maybe this is a non issue.

So my second question would be...do you think I'd have a problem getting a company to agree to a orientation on or after 1/1/2015 if I don't graduate until approximately 12/20? Thank you.

Useless 10-26-2014 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbagumpshrimp (Post 532579)
I started this process a couple days ago. I already got a positive response from one (Werner), so that is encouraging.

How short do you think the shelf life is?

I've been out of the industry for quite some time, and much has changed over the past decade. When I became a driver, if you had a pulse and you could fog a mirror, pass a drug test, and if you had an IQ over 65....... make that 55, and a somewhat decent MVR, someone would hire you. Back then, a newly minted Class A had a shelf life of about 90 days. If I were you, I'd plan on no more than 60 days.

You must remember that upon graduation from a local wholesale freight relocation university, (that's a nice way of saying "diploma mill trucking school") your newly acquired Class A means that you've passed a written exam and that you've demonstrated MINIMUM basic skills in handling a big truck to the satisfaction of the safety examiner. In reality, it's a license to learn. What skills you gained while in school will diminish very rapidly if you don't get into the cab of a big truck in very short order.


.....i.e. If I go to part-time for the class (I have a probably work conflict coming up soon)...that will likely put me somewhere around 12/20 for a graduation date. I wouldn't want to start orientation and be gone for Christmas, if I can prevent it. That and I have to assume (maybe incorrectly) that no companies are going to want to start orientation Christmas week...so maybe this is a non issue.

I can dig wanting to be home for Christmas, but you're embarking upon a career where holidays are nothing more than just another date and another day on a calendar; especially where the McMega carriers and OTR companies are concerned. That's the nature of the industry. As a driver for the McMegas, you're nothing more than an employee number with a truck number, a trailer number, a bill of lading number, and a delivery date.

With few exceptions, dispatchers only care about getting the freight picked up, moved, and delivered. They're generally no respecters of drivers, especially rookies. You'll most likely spend some Christmas holidays parked in a truck stop waiting to be assigned a load, waiting to pick up a load, or parked in a truck stop while waiting to deliver a load.


So my second question would be...do you think I'd have a problem getting a company to agree to a orientation on or after 1/1/2015 if I don't graduate until approximately 12/20? Thank you.

The timing of your anticipated graduation date could hardly be worse. The reason being that the first quarter of the year is a very slow time for freight; especially during the months of January and February. Time was that the McMega's hired and trained year round. I don't know if that's still true, and I'd be very leery of what the recruiters tell you.

Bear in mind that I've been out of the industry for quite some time now, (nearly a decade) and I was never a "career driver"; I drove for a few years because it was something I had always wanted to do, and I had a very limited window of opportunity in which to do it. That was also before fuel hit $2.00 per gallon.

I was much luckier than most noobies, as I worked for a fine, family friendly, midsized carrier (N.D.I.; National Distributors Inc., which is now N.D.L; National Distributors Leasing) out of Sellersburg, Indiana. They were small enough to know me by name and kind enough to care about my family, yet they were large enough to keep me running steadily. I also had an honest recruiter, an incredible trainer an excellent dispatcher, and yes, I was able to spend Christmas at home. How did I get to be so lucky?? I can only say that The Good Lord watches over children and fools, and I was no child!! Once again, that was about a decade ago, and much has changed in the industry over the last ten years.

After the economy entered into recession in the latter part of 2007, and entered into free-fall in 2008, the dynamics of the industry shifted most dramatically. In addition to the recession, fuel prices shot upward, and quite a few long established trucking companies shut their doors. Many experienced drivers suddenly found themselves on the outside looking in. Since that time, the overall economy has recovered, and the trucking industry industry has recovered to varying degrees, with certain parts of the industry being hotter than others.

In the oilfields, the demand for drivers is screaming, but even that boom won't last forever. While those jobs pay well, you'll earn every dime they pay you. The hours are long, the weather can be horrendous, and a lot of things can go wrong. Those industry jobs are usually filled by experienced drivers, and even if it's possible for a rookie to get hired, I'm not sure that attempting to begin your career in that industry would be a good idea.

Please understand that I'm not trying to discourage you, nor am I trying to be overly pessimistic. Here's wishing you the best!!

bubbagumpshrimp 10-27-2014 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Useless (Post 532582)
Bear in mind that I've been out of the industry for quite some time now, (nearly a decade) and I was never a "career driver"; I drove for a few years because it was something I had always wanted to do, and I had a very limited window of opportunity in which to do it. That was also before fuel hit $2.00 per gallon.

I was much luckier than most noobies, as I worked for a fine, family friendly, midsized carrier (N.D.I.; National Distributors Inc., which is now N.D.L; National Distributors Leasing) out of Sellersburg, Indiana. They were small enough to know me by name and kind enough to care about my family, yet they were large enough to keep me running steadily. I also had an honest recruiter, an incredible trainer an excellent dispatcher, and yes, I was able to spend Christmas at home. How did I get to be so lucky?? I can only say that The Good Lord watches over children and fools, and I was no child!! Once again, that was about a decade ago, and much has changed in the industry over the last ten years.

After the economy entered into recession in the latter part of 2007, and entered into free-fall in 2008, the dynamics of the industry shifted most dramatically. In addition to the recession, fuel prices shot upward, and quite a few long established trucking companies shut their doors. Many experienced drivers suddenly found themselves on the outside looking in. Since that time, the overall economy has recovered, and the trucking industry industry has recovered to varying degrees, with certain parts of the industry being hotter than others.

In the oilfields, the demand for drivers is screaming, but even that boom won't last forever. While those jobs pay well, you'll earn every dime they pay you. The hours are long, the weather can be horrendous, and a lot of things can go wrong. Those industry jobs are usually filled by experienced drivers, and even if it's possible for a rookie to get hired, I'm not sure that attempting to begin your career in that industry would be a good idea.

Please understand that I'm not trying to discourage you, nor am I trying to be overly pessimistic. Here's wishing you the best!!

I've got two pre-hire letters from "mega" carriers at the moment. The only reason that I'd lean towards a mega carrier (that has a VA approved vocational program) is that I'd stand to get an additional $1,000+/month in benefits.

One thing that gets me is that people (by people...I mean people at the CDL school) seem to encourage students to take OTR gigs, rather than local ones. i.e. Werner vs. Pepsi. Someone like me (values downtime)...would rather make a bit less and get (pretty much) guaranteed time off each week with a local carrier than go somewhere where a weekly 36 hour reset is considered doing drivers a favor (when it's required by law).

I appreciate your advice. I don't take your input as being pessimistic, but realistic. There's one carrier in my area that pays ~$20-25k/year more than more of the others (for newbies). The catch? The shift is 1500-0300 and it's VERY labor intensive. The labor doesn't turn me off so much (it would be a chance to have an active job), but working a shift like that would suck. I can't say that I have any interest in dealing with a set shift like that.

Useless 10-28-2014 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbagumpshrimp (Post 532591)
I've got two pre-hire letters from "mega" carriers at the moment. The only reason that I'd lean towards a mega carrier (that has a VA approved vocational program) is that I'd stand to get an additional $1,000+/month in benefits.

Solid!! If that's the best way for you, then go for it. :cool:

One thing that gets me is that people (by people...I mean people at the CDL school) seem to encourage students to take OTR gigs, rather than local ones. i.e. Werner vs. Pepsi. Someone like me (values downtime)...would rather make a bit less and get (pretty much) guaranteed time off each week with a local carrier than go somewhere where a weekly 36 hour reset is considered doing drivers a favor (when it's required by law).

First, bear in mind that wholesale freight relocation universities are largely geared towards preparing students to become OTR drivers, and there are sound reasons for doing that.

1.) Most of their students are planning to embark upon careers as OTR drivers, which puts the school in a more favorable position where job placement assistance is concerned. IIRC, the wholesale freight relocation university that I attended (Roadmasters) graduated about 15 to 20 students each week, 52 weeks every year. There just aren't enough good local gigs to place that many students each week on a regular basis. Having graduating students (somewhat) prepared and trained for OTR is largely in keeping with market demands.

2.) Another matter to consider is that it's far easier (and generally safer) to transition form OTR work to local driving than it is to transition from local driving to OTR driving. Local driving offers greater risks for mishaps than does OTR driving. City streets, freeways, and parking lots, can be very unforgiving, and a rookie driver will encounter many more possibilities for trouble than will an OTR driver. Add to the mix, you're dealing with local drivers who may be distracted while texting, looking for streets and addresses, or lackadaisical driving habits. Those are just some of the reasons that many local employers will offer preference to OTR drivers who are looking to come off the road.

3.) Regarding the 36hr. reset: Unless HOS laws have changed since I came off the road (and they may have) employers are not "required" to offer you a 36hr. reset. Hours are logged on a rotational basis; if you hit your limit on driving/ on duty hours, you may have up to 14 hours of driving/on duty time from the previous week that will drop off, thus allowing you to keep running legally. Logging hours will be covered during your training. Here in Texas, I don't believe that driving local route sales/delivery work requires you to keep a log book; not sure about other states.


I appreciate your advice. I don't take your input as being pessimistic, but realistic. There's one carrier in my area that pays ~$20-25k/year more than more of the others (for newbies). The catch? The shift is 1500-0300 and it's VERY labor intensive. The labor doesn't turn me off so much (it would be a chance to have an active job), but working a shift like that would suck. I can't say that I have any interest in dealing with a set shift like that.

I understand where you're coming from, but I'll offer you some points to consider. By nature, my circadian rhythms have always favored evening hours; from the time that I was a teenager to now, (I'm in my mid 50's). It's far easier for me to work late into the night than it is for me to awaken early in the morning. Having said that, "graveyard shift" hours have never agreed with me. Working until 11:00PM or Midnight is fine. Working at 4:00AM doesn't work so well for me.

Having said that, while I was running OTR, I ran at night as often as I could, and for some pretty good reasons:

1.) There is far less traffic on the highways, freeways, and streets, and fewer traffic jams. Less traffic means a couple of things:
a.) Fewer risks for collisions.
b.) More miles due to the lack of traffic and other delays; more miles each night equaled more miles each week. Being able to cover more ground in less time equaled more favorable and more lucrative load assignments. It also endeared me to my dispatchers and freight manager, which translated into MO' MONEY!! :cool:
c.) Very few traffic jams. Of the traffic jams that I did encounter, most were due to road/highway construction, which meant that where traffic jams did occur, the delays were far fewer and far shorter.
d.) Where trucking is concerned, the drivers who ran at night were generally more professional and courteous than those who drove during the day.
e.) My truck was far from being new, although it ran pretty well. Problem was, with a Freightshaker Classic XL with over 600,000 miles, it had a tendency to run hotter that I would have liked. Many of my runs were from SoCal and southern Az. to Springfield/Peoria, Illinois, which meant driving the mountains and the desert regions. Traversing the deserts and mountains during the day in all but the winter months was an open invitation to overheating, and that's something that you really want to avoid as much as possible. Driving the deserts and mountainous regions at night kept overheating issues from becoming a problem.
g.) When it was time to shut down, I didn't have to clamor for a parking spot. Trying to back a dry van or reefer in a tight parking space after 10 or 11 hours of driving and a tired mind offers more risks for something to go wrong. By running at night, when it was time for me to refuel and shut down, most other drivers had vacated the TS parking lots.

Was there a downside to me running graveyard hours?? Most definitely. I was almost always tired. Very, very tired. I never handled freight, and as result, my work was excessively sedentary. I gained weight, and my blood pressure and cholesterol levels shot through the roof. By the time I came off the road, I LITERALLY looked and felt like I had aged from 5 to 10 years.

As far as a "labor intensive" driving gig is concerned?? I don't know how old you are, but I will tell you this much. The kind of labor that is involved with some local jobs (Beer/wine/soda/ etc. routes) will help keep you in good physical condition. Yeah, it means working in the summer sun, the cold of winter, and sometimes crappy weather, but it beats the hail out of being out of shape as result of years of long haul driving.

Hope this helps!!

bubbagumpshrimp 10-31-2014 12:44 AM

I totally get that night driving would be a good thing for some people. I've done many 12+ hour drives...starting out at all hours of the days and night. As you mentioned...from a traffic standpoint, it was great to start off in the late afternoon and run through the early morning. My issue though is that by 1:00am...I'm dead tired. The whole circadian rhythm thing that you mentioned. I'd prefer to be off the road by 10pm or so, if I can help it. Now if I'm getting paid to drive and I'm told to drive xxx miles and arrive by 8:00 am to my drop-off location, I'll obviously just have to shut up and color (unless of course I can manage to get there early enough to camp out for the evening).

bubbagumpshrimp 11-17-2014 02:32 AM

Made in through the course. I'm trying to make up my mind about where I want to work at the moment.

Useless 11-17-2014 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbagumpshrimp (Post 532766)
Made in through the course. I'm trying to make up my mind about where I want to work at the moment.

What are your options??

Blacksheep 11-18-2014 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by repete (Post 532385)
CRE wouldn't even make my top 100, let alone the short list.

They make my list, I call it the **** list.

bubbagumpshrimp 12-04-2014 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Useless (Post 532767)
What are your options??

Hey...sorry for the delay. I was leaning towards TMC, but I decided that I'd rather be home more often. I'm leaning towards the LTL thing at the moment, as that seems to be the best "local" option for someone with no commercial driving experience. I've got it down to SEFL and ABF at the moment.

golfhobo 12-05-2014 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbagumpshrimp (Post 532885)
Hey...sorry for the delay. I was leaning towards TMC, but I decided that I'd rather be home more often. I'm leaning towards the LTL thing at the moment, as that seems to be the best "local" option for someone with no commercial driving experience. I've got it down to SEFL and ABF at the moment.

Those sound like good choices. I drive for FedEx... but long haul. Don't ignore the possibilities of Schneider, though. They do A LOT of regional runs that get you home often.

Best wishes... and keep us posted.

Useless 12-07-2014 08:44 PM

What Hobo said........... only I don't run long haul or drive for Fed Ex!!

Best Wishes To You!!!
:cool:


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