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Unpaid Backhauls
Anybody out there run linehaul, and have to do the occasional backhaul? Just want to get an idea of how good or bad I have it. I run a linehaul route that takes about 5 hours up, and five hours back, if there is no traffic. About once a week, they give me a 75,000 gross load to take back with me, which slows me down about 20 minutes. Lots of hills. I get no extra money for this. They also send me out of my route once in a while to pick up a backhaul of product for the warehouse at the home yard, and I get an extra $15 for this, and it adds about 45 minutes to my day. Not worth it.
The job is actually pretty good. Maybe I'm just spoiled. But I'd rather not do these backhauls. Anyone else have this backhaul stuff, and is it worth the money for you ? Just curious. |
You're complaining about it taking 20 extra minutes because of the weight??? I go across I-68 on a very regular basis grossing 75,000+. That alone adds roughly 45 minutes compared to empty. When the weather is bad (fog, snow & ice), it can add hours.
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If they pay you by the hour, and the backhauls give you extra hours, I'd take all the backhauls they offer. :p
Sometimes, I haul a backhaul, but the delivery drivers pick them up. I just take them back to the warehouse. Atleast they pay ya $15 for the backhauls that are out of your regular route.. |
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Unpaid Backhauls
WWaahhh. He shouldn't be b**ching at all, he has a job. BOL
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Sealord, that's a very good point. All of us that are working are thankful to be working. :) |
I think about the only thing you can do is look at your paycheck at the end of the year. If you made about the right amount, then just roll with it.
I have to do jobs that are not worth doing, but it comes out at the end of they year that I'm doing OK. I hope you're doing OK, too. |
If the backhaul is from the place that you drop off then your going home anyways. I don't see the problem unless its taking 4 or 5 hours to load or you get paid more per mile mt than loaded. You should then get the loaded mile rate when bringing something back I think. My company pays mt miles for a backhaul but adds $30 for doing it and most are drop and hook so its a pretty good deal.
Out of route how much? If your paid the miles, so??? Unless thats more than about 10% extra over actual miles I wouldnt say much. |
$15 for 45 min work or about $20/hour. Thats not worth it to you? You must be in a different tax bracket than I am. Quit and give me your job, I'll take $20/hr anyday
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$20 an hour but it's not an everyday thing, it's more like once a month, the other is once a week and he's not seeing any pay for that. That's what he's complaining about, the freebie backhaul.
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I LOVE backhauls!!!!!!!!!
I get the mileage(hub) plus stop pay plus hourly pay after the first hour(stop pay and hourly pay are the same amount). Some of my back hauls take 15 minutes or less, well worth the money. Here's a example of why I love them: Last monday my last stop was in Havre De Grace,MD. My first p/u was in Lancaster,PA. Drove to Lancaster and got it on monday. In and out in 12 minutes. Next one was in Leesport,PA tuesday morning. Get paid the mileage from the front door in Lancaster to the front door of the hotel in Reading,PA(NEVER AGAIN WILL I STAY AT AMERICA'S BEST VALUE). Then the mileage from hotel to Leesport. Was in Lessport 55 minutes. Then mileage to Marysville,PA for last p/u. In and out in 10 minutes:cool:. Then the mileage home. If you are getting PAID extra for the backhual, why complain. It's extra money on top of your normal route. |
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I wanna take a 4# sledgehammer to whomever uses the term...."Backhaul"!!!! :angryblue: |
OK, more on the backhaul thing. I do not get paid by the hour. Let me limit the conversation to the "free backhaul". Maybe I'm thinking like an NYC union thug, or something. I get regular pay to take an empty trailer back, and I get regular pay to take a huge, slow, and more dangerous load back. The huge slow load, which is third party freight, not our regular stuff, earns my company a certain amount of extra money, of which I get nothing. Hmmmm. Do I deserve anything? Hmmm. Should I just be happy to have a job? It reminds of my ex-mother-in-law, whose favorite phrase was "Where's my cut? "' The company is making $200 or $300 on the freight I'm taking back ( I estimate). When they hired me on, as a newbie, they mentioned that we would be "requested" to do the occasional backhaul, but weren't required to do backhauls. I don't think it is written in anything I signed that I would do backhauls, paid or unpaid.
As far as not being worth it : I just want to get my head on the pillow before sunrise, and get my regular pay. I have a thing with the long hours. This job is 70 hours a week, if you include my commute. The paid $15 backhauls are a completely different subject. More on them later. |
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I just want to say one thing......THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BACKHAUL!!!!!!
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GMAN, Why not ? |
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I know you are new to this, but truck drivers usually haul freight in trailers. That is what we do to earn our pay. I don't understand what is dangerous about hauling 75,000 pounds of freight in a van. It it hazmat? Perhaps radioactive? 75,000 pounds is NOT huge. It is a normal load of freight. It should not make any difference where the freight originates. Third party freight pays the bills. Unless I missed something I assume that your company pays you both ways on your run. You complain about your company making money from hauling a load of freight. That is how your company can afford to pay you each week. How much investment do you have in your equipment? Your company pays for trucks, trailers, insurance, and your salary. If you break something on your truck I am sure that you won't be the one who pays for it. It takes money for them to pay all those expenses. I just find it strange that you complain about hauling freight rather than an empty trailer. It should not matter how much money your company is making as long as you get paid every week and the checks clear the bank. :roll: |
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If you are going out of your normal route to get it and you are paid hub mileage, then you get the extra miles. If you are paid salary, TOO BAD, your are paid the same no matter. The above is the office person in me. NOW, the driver in me says: You pick up after emptying, YOU SHOULD GET SOMETHING FOR THE STOP! If I deliver AND pick up at the same place(and we do that at a few customers), I am paid for the stop PLUS the pick up:D. I am also paid for pick ups. Now, everyone keep in mind that neither myself or the OP work for an irregular truck load carrier. This does not apply to them(but it should) |
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It is a term that started some years ago. If I remember correctly, the term started with shippers who used to haul their own products. They would look for anything to pay their fuel or defer some of their operating costs to get back to haul their own freight, thus the name back haul. From a freight haulers stand point, the term should not exist. It is a way for shippers and brokers to justify paying a cheap rate. I don't consider the words as valid in my business. I NEVER use the term back haul. Each load should stand on it's own merit. I don't do back hauls. |
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I caught that too. I think everyone was talking about gross.... or at least I hope so.:eek1: |
You got me there, guys. I meant gross, not load weight. :o
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lol, you guys are too quick. I was going to jump on the 75,000 thing. Hey, thats not much weight if you have a Kawasaki tractor.
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My question is whether this is a drop and hook or a live load and how long it takes to load it. If your going right back to the yard with it from where you dropped then mileage is ok I guess as long as it not every time then the company is using you to haul freight for free. This is called scratching each others back. You do them a favor by hauling back like this and then if and when you want a day off you don't expect a huge fuss over it or something like that.
I wonder though. If they told you differently when they hired you have you asked them about it? Ask nicely dont storm in with an attitude. I started working nights and around 0300 all I want to do is get home and to bed so I can sure understand the sentiment. |
I believe he said that they did tell him when he started. In any case, a driver is paid to drive a truck. It should not make any difference to the driver whether it is loaded or not. Although he didn't mention how he was compensated other than the additional $15, I would expect that he is paid mileage. If that is the case and he is paid for all miles driven as he is in other circumstances, then I don't see why there should be any complaints. I would never expect a carrier to share the revenue with me unless I worked percentage.
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I guess I have too much stuff to do around the house, better get a maid, or a concierge, or something. :) So, yeah, I guess I should be a team player and just do it, and be happy to add some profit to the company that employs me. When they hired me they said something about backhauls, and about being flexible. Can't remember exactly. Now about the paid backhauls : They have 2 locations for these. One is the 45 minutes extra for $15, that doesn't seem so bad. But there is another one that is farther off the route, and adds an hour and 15 minutes to the driving time, and about 2 hours to the whole day. This one they added about a year ago, and I think they finally dropped it, knock on wood. Still only $15 extra. This was the one nobody wanted. The OTR drivers were telling us linehaul guys we should just say no, since it was too close to the 11 hours. They sent us out in icy weather too, for this backhaul. Said just get a motel if you run out of hours, or pull over and sleep in the day cab for 10 hours. Nobody ever got a motel or pulled over, but I would guess some drivers had to go over the 11 hours a few times. I'm not too smooth with authority figures, so I try to avoid them as much as possible, but I have mentioned to my terminal manager that I don't like the backhauls, when the subject arose. Also bitched about it in a nice way to the dispatchers when they gave me these faraway backhauls. All of us linehaul drivers made it clear we didn't like the faraway backhaul, since it was so close to the 11 hours, and the manager was always "checking into it". We only get about one backhaul a week now, per driver, and not the faraway one, so lately it's not too bad. We were getting 2 or 3 per week for a while there. |
what a *****!! you got a job dude..alot of guys would kill for your job. home everyday and a steady paycheck.
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omg - i'd hate to see you working otr. crying about taking an extra 20 minutes - boo freakin hoo. do you cry as much if you get into holiday traffic, construction delays or accidents?
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Your run pays x amount. Bringing back a loaded trailer is part of that run. So it takes an extra 20 minutes when you bring back a loaded trailer. BIG DEAL. How about all those times when you run up and back in near perfect conditions and the run takes less time then the company says it should. Do they take money from you check for that? Doubt it! |
Sounds like somebody should get an office job... :cry:
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orangetux. i drive a t600. getting another one here shortly. if you were out in the dark i am the one with a little blue led light in the center of the dash. i go from Columbus to Jersey on Tues and Thur. and back on Wed and Fri. Take I70 out of the state. if you were in the area or ever are again let me know..may buy ya a cup of joe.
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[ In any case, a driver is paid to drive a truck. It should not make any difference to the driver whether it is loaded
gman is right. geez now they gotta send another truck to drag an mt over there and wave at woof while he going the other way draggin his mt back to the yard no wonder we cant compete with those foreigners! |
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How does a 20 minute delay on ONE day make one have to start 20 minutes later the NEXT day? 10 hours a day of driving. What? 2 hours commute each way? (how else do you get 70hrs a week?) Unless you are logging exactly 14 hours total onduty time each day, a 20 minute delay shouldn't force you to start later the next day. Am I missing something?
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It dosnt sound to me like you have a bad job but everyone gets fed up with what they are doing once in awhile no matter what they are doing. I'd really take a deep breath at this point and look around at the economy. Jobs are tight. I'd hold on to what I had for a bit and just suck it up. |
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