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gula197 12-04-2008 05:38 PM

felony question
 
i was wondering is there any company/training academy that will hire with a four year old dismissed felony case?

cdswans 12-04-2008 06:09 PM

A dismissed anything should have zero impact. Just be honest. If the question asks "have you ever been arrested . . ?" answer yes or no and explain yes if required. If the question asks "have you ever been convicted . . ?" the answer is no and no further explanation should be necessary.

The only time it's likely to matter is crossing the border with Canada. If you get selected for an immigration check, they do a fingerprint record search through Interpol to corroberate any information you provide (an arrest, for instance) or uncover anything you neglect to disclose.

gula197 12-04-2008 06:20 PM

i was turned down by schneider because of that but the recruiter told me that he going to keep my file on record..i was just look to find another training academy to go with if i can

BIG JEEP on 44's 12-04-2008 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by gula197 (Post 427418)
i was turned down by schneider because of that but the recruiter told me that he going to keep my file on record..i was just look to find another training academy to go with if i can



Dismissed...or you plead guilty and got a period of probation where charges werre dismissed after sucessfull completion ?

Bug 12-07-2008 12:29 AM

From what i hear Schneider is picky who they hire, if i was new looking to get some experince they would be my first choice , their training program is A+

BIG JEEP on 44's 12-07-2008 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bug (Post 427738)
From what i hear Schneider is picky who they hire, if i was new looking to get some experince they would be my first choice , their training program is A+


And yet Schneider rookie drivers can't drive any better than a Werner rookie or Swift...Fact is a 6-8wk training period is only the basics , and for most a time frame of 6-8 weeks is not long enough to master the basics...like backing. If I were a new driver with plenty of options I sure would not be looking at Shneider ,as their pay is not...A+ and it's not like you're going to be trained ay better than at Crete or Con-way...just paid a lower CPM ...Big Orange sux just like big Blue pay wise.

zipy46 12-07-2008 10:11 AM

Criminal activity ??.... ability to move about in the corporate shadow world ???

eh.....

You need to head to upper management straight away...they could probably put you to work

GMAN 12-07-2008 12:37 PM

Carrier's have different policies concerning felonies. Often it is the type of felony. Anything drug or alcohol related is particularly frowned upon. Some carriers will allow a felony after at least 5 years have passed. Some are 7 or 10 years. Others will never hire felons. It is ironic that only a few decades ago there were many drivers who had felonies in this business. Now the carriers don't seem to want anything to do with them. If the felony charges were dismissed then it should be a non issue. If you were found guilty then at least 5 years will need to pass with most carriers before they will consider you.

BigDiesel 12-07-2008 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gula197 (Post 427413)
i was wondering is there any company/training academy that will hire with a four year old dismissed felony case?

No such thing as a " dismissed felony case "........:roll2:

TomB985 12-07-2008 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG JEEP on 44's (Post 427745)
And yet Schneider rookie drivers can't drive any better than a Werner rookie or Swift...Fact is a 6-8wk training period is only the basics , and for most a time frame of 6-8 weeks is not long enough to master the basics...like backing. If I were a new driver with plenty of options I sure would not be looking at Shneider ,as their pay is not...A+ and it's not like you're going to be trained ay better than at Crete or Con-way...just paid a lower CPM ...Big Orange sux just like big Blue pay wise.

You're kidding, right?:confused:

Schneider National Transportation Jobs | Truck Driving Jobs | Equipment | Truck Driver Pay | Midwest Truck Driver Pay

At con-way/CFI, they pay ALL incoming drivers with over 1 year experience 36 CPM...I'd be making 40 CPM at schneider. You know Werner's pay charts better than I do, but I've heard most drivers complain about 25-29 CPM....

How can you compare the two???:hellno:
:moon::moon::moon:

thebaldeagle655 12-07-2008 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDiesel (Post 427824)
No such thing as a " dismissed felony case "........:roll2:

BigDiesel, what law school did you go to? 6 years ago I was accused of something I did not do, arrested on a felony charge. Never went to court and I do have the paperwork from the county courts system with a judge's signature that states that the charge was "DISMISSED without prejudice" this is the legal term meaning that I can not be charged with it again.

Yes felonies can be dismissed.

BigDiesel 12-07-2008 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by thebaldeagle655 (Post 427840)
BigDiesel, what law school did you go to? 6 years ago I was accused of something I did not do, arrested on a felony charge. Never went to court and I do have the paperwork from the county courts system with a judge's signature that states that the charge was "DISMISSED without prejudice" this is the legal term meaning that I can not be charged with it again.

Yes felonies can be dismissed.

Either you are convicted of a felony or you are not..... No gray areas..... Understand..... Matlock ????

thebaldeagle655 12-08-2008 12:02 AM

Exactly as I said! Charged, NOT CONVICTED, DISMISSED. Remember the concept that the framers of our constitution placed in that document. Innocent until PROVEN guilty! An arrest is an arrest, not a conviction and the charge can and has been dismissed.

Now, what part of THAT don't you understand? As the original poster said, the felony "case" was dismissed, not felony conviction.

Pack_Rat 12-08-2008 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by thebaldeagle655 (Post 427860)
Exactly as I said! Charged, NOT CONVICTED, DISMISSED. Remember the concept that the framers of our constitution placed in that document. Innocent until PROVEN guilty! An arrest is an arrest, not a conviction and the charge can and has been dismissed.

Now, what part of THAT don't you understand? As the original poster said, the felony "case" was dismissed, not felony conviction.

You have to realize that some people cannot add two and two and come up with four. Or understand that charged and convicted are two different things!!

Jimbpard 12-08-2008 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bug (Post 427738)
From what i hear Schneider is picky who they hire, if i was new looking to get some experince they would be my first choice , their training program is A+


Schneider no longer has that great training program do they?
That was the case last I heard.
I've even noticed their recruiting phone number on the back of their trailers is either blacked out or ripped off.

BIG JEEP on 44's 12-08-2008 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TomB985 (Post 427832)
You're kidding, right?:confused:

Schneider National Transportation Jobs | Truck Driving Jobs | Equipment | Truck Driver Pay | Midwest Truck Driver Pay

At con-way/CFI, they pay ALL incoming drivers with over 1 year experience 36 CPM...I'd be making 40 CPM at schneider. You know Werner's pay charts better than I do, but I've heard most drivers complain about 25-29 CPM....

How can you compare the two???:hellno:
:moon::moon::moon:



Because if memory serves correct Schneider's pay scale reads 1yr earn up to .40 cpm ...JB Hunt's reads similar ,and it requires far more driving time than 1yr to earn .40cpm on the 48 board than 1yr...I remember talking to Schneider last December ,and was offered a dedicated run with weekends off ,which was only actually 34hrs ,and was salaried at a shitty $750.00 gross and some change and the run was 2500 miles weekly ...I had over 2.5yrs exp with just 1 company and my friend that pay rate ONLY reflects a cpm of about .30 CPM ...If 1 year Schneider drivers running the 48 states are now making .40 CPM I'd be surprised b/c it does not reflect the pay rates quoted to me by recruiting or drivers a SNI .

BigDiesel 12-08-2008 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by thebaldeagle655 (Post 427860)
Exactly as I said! Charged, NOT CONVICTED, DISMISSED. Remember the concept that the framers of our constitution placed in that document. Innocent until PROVEN guilty! An arrest is an arrest, not a conviction and the charge can and has been dismissed.

Now, what part of THAT don't you understand? As the original poster said, the felony "case" was dismissed, not felony conviction.

Pay attention Perry Mason, I know this may be difficult for you......:rofl: The OP was implying that he/she was not eligible for hire from the coolie carrier due to a felony charge..... Now again pay attention.... if there is no record of a felony conviction there is no felony record.... I would bet that the OP was convicted of a lesser charge that would reflect as a misdemeanor........

thebaldeagle655 12-08-2008 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BigDiesel (Post 427882)
Pay attention Perry Mason, I know this may be difficult for you......:rofl: The OP was implying that he/she was not eligible for hire from the coolie carrier due to a felony charge..... Now again pay attention.... if there is no record of a felony conviction there is no felony record.... I would bet that the OP was convicted of a lesser charge that would reflect as a misdemeanor........

I wouldn't mind having some of that stuff you are smoking! He asked if anyone would hire someone with a "dismissed felony case" nowhere did he say "coolie carrier" nowhere did he say conviction. Maybe, Just maybe he actually did in fact have a case in which the charge was dismissed without a conviction. I tend to take people at their word and answer the question they ask, not something I dreamed of while on crack like you must have!!!

TomB985 12-08-2008 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BIG JEEP on 44's (Post 427878)
Because if memory serves correct Schneider's pay scale reads 1yr earn up to .40 cpm ...JB Hunt's reads similar ,and it requires far more driving time than 1yr to earn .40cpm on the 48 board than 1yr...I remember talking to Schneider last December ,and was offered a dedicated run with weekends off ,which was only actually 34hrs ,and was salaried at a shitty $750.00 gross and some change and the run was 2500 miles weekly ...I had over 2.5yrs exp with just 1 company and my friend that pay rate ONLY reflects a cpm of about .30 CPM ...If 1 year Schneider drivers running the 48 states are now making .40 CPM I'd be surprised b/c it does not reflect the pay rates quoted to me by recruiting or drivers a SNI .

Spoke with a Schnieder recruiter before I went to Con-way. The rates I was offered were .30 per mile for a dedicated run, or .39 for OTR.

The rates are different for OTR and dedicated! :lol2:

BigDiesel 12-08-2008 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by thebaldeagle655 (Post 427884)
I wouldn't mind having some of that stuff you are smoking! He asked if anyone would hire someone with a "dismissed felony case" nowhere did he say "coolie carrier" nowhere did he say conviction. Maybe, Just maybe he actually did in fact have a case in which the charge was dismissed without a conviction. I tend to take people at their word and answer the question they ask, not something I dreamed of while on crack like you must have!!!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

You rode the short bus to school didn't you.........:rofl:

Uturn2001 12-08-2008 02:44 AM

It would be nice for the OP to come back and explain what he means by "dismissed felony case."

Assuming he was charged with a felony, went to court, and the charges were dismissed then they only way anyone would really know about it is if he told them. It is also possible that if he was convicted but the charges were later dropped after successful completion of his sentence that the only way that anyone would know if he volunteered the information, though that may depend a lot on the state laws where a conviction took place.

Anyone who has been around this or other boards long enough have seen people come and go who complain they can't get a job because they do not comprehend the difference between "charged" and "convicted" and volunteer information that they don't need to.

GMAN 12-08-2008 03:14 AM

We need to ratchet it down a bit, people. We don't want this to escalate into a name calling or shouting match. I think we can make our point without getting too emotional.

LightsChromeHorsepower 12-08-2008 06:20 PM

BD is, as usual, a punk, a bully, and factually incorrect.

A felony can be dismissed with, or without prejudice, the difference being whether the court will allow the prosecutor to re-file the charge(s). A felony can also carry a misdemeanor sentence, and a court may, after the subject has completed the terms of the sentence, allow the defendent to change their plea to not guilty and dismiss the charges.

I encourage the OP to keep looking. He will have to answer yes to any questions regarding whether he has ever been arrested.

Having had felony charges dismissed against me has not prevented me from finding employment as a truck driver, or from obtaining a real estate sales license. I have always answered any pertinent questions truthfully and in detail, and included copies of the court documents.

From a legal standpoint (at least in regards to hiring practices) a dismissal is equal to a finding of innocence.

It was interesting to me to find out that if I were to go to law school and then apply to the Bar, I would not have to even disclose anything related to any charges which were dismissed. I guess you could make the argument that it's easier to become a lawyer than a truck driver. If I had known that 20 years ago, I would probably be a lawyer today.

Rev.Vassago 12-08-2008 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LightsChromeHorsepower (Post 428005)
I guess you could make the argument that it's easier to become a lawyer than a truck driver.

They have 2 week Bar Exam Mills?

It would be easier for someone who gets in trouble with the law, but manages to get charges dropped to become a lawyer than a truck driver. But the multiple years of schooling kinda throw that whole argument out the window.

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If I had known that 20 years ago, I would probably be a lawyer today.
I'm not even gonna touch that one....

got mud? 12-09-2008 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BigDiesel (Post 427824)
No such thing as a " dismissed felony case "........:roll2:

Really?... what do you think a grand jury does. A person is "charged" with a felony and the case is brought before a grand jury to decide whether their is enough evidence to proceed with a trail or to dismiss the case. cases are often dismissed or dropped to a lower charge.

BigDiesel 12-09-2008 01:33 PM

Amazing how many " fine upstanding " dwellers at this site claim to know so much about felonies.......:rofl::rofl::rofl: I wonder why ????:thumbsup:

Hawkjr 12-09-2008 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TomB985 (Post 427885)
Spoke with a Schnieder recruiter before I went to Con-way. The rates I was offered were .30 per mile for a dedicated run, or .39 for OTR.

The rates are different for OTR and dedicated! :lol2:

Do me a favor... RUN FROM SCHNEIDER!! They probably have the worst equipment on the road hands down!! The trailers are trash on the system and dedicated accounts.. Most of the trucks have problems out the rear!! Think this.. every so called coolie has new trucks, Swifty, Crete, Werner, J.B. Hunt... SCHNEIDER STILL HAS THERE PLAIN OLD CENTURY CLASSES!! NO PROSTARS, NO CASCIDAS... This Company is the cheapest out of them all.. I'm Just stuck cause the job market is down the drain... and for all the geniuses especially Big Jeep.. What Coolie pays a damn good wage coming out of school??? Maybe a Skate board company like TMC or Maverick, but no Schneider, No Werner, or Swift pays a good wage until they see you can put up a year or 2 with there B.S... I'm not starting a Local, OTR debate but for real your first year in trucking is going to suck, take it or F%$@ing leave it..

got mud? 12-09-2008 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDiesel (Post 428102)
Amazing how many " fine upstanding " dwellers at this site claim to know so much about felonies.......:rofl::rofl::rofl: I wonder why ????:thumbsup:

I can't speak for everyone but myself it's a background in law enforcement. It's amazing how some people resort to distraction and name calling like a child when they are mistaken.

BIG JEEP on 44's 12-09-2008 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkjr (Post 428105)
Do me a favor... RUN FROM SCHNEIDER!! They probably have the worst equipment on the road hands down!! The trailers are trash on the system and dedicated accounts.. Most of the trucks have problems out the rear!! Think this.. every so called coolie has new trucks, Swifty, Crete, Werner, J.B. Hunt... SCHNEIDER STILL HAS THERE PLAIN OLD CENTURY CLASSES!! NO PROSTARS, NO CASCIDAS... This Company is the cheapest out of them all.. I'm Just stuck cause the job market is down the drain... and for all the geniuses especially Big Jeep.. What Coolie pays a damn good wage coming out of school??? Maybe a Skate board company like TMC or Maverick, but no Schneider, No Werner, or Swift pays a good wage until they see you can put up a year or 2 with there B.S... I'm not starting a Local, OTR debate but for real your first year in trucking is going to suck, take it or F%$@ing leave it..


Werner pays .26cpm starting...it takes 2 years too reach .30 cpm, and 10 yrs to reach .35 cpm ...Now the average pay at 1yr is .35 cpm ...Now like I said Werner is no place to go if you have options ,because the pay is well below average even at 2-10 yrs .

You lose credibility when you rate a company low just b/c they run freightliner century ,as the brand of truck a company runs says little about driver earnings .


But I guess you got plenty of trucking experience via DELL ...And someday my even get a CDL...Lol

Hawkjr 12-10-2008 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BIG JEEP on 44's (Post 428112)
Werner pays .26cpm starting...it takes 2 years too reach .30 cpm, and 10 yrs to reach .35 cpm ...Now the average pay at 1yr is .35 cpm ...Now like I said Werner is no place to go if you have options ,because the pay is well below average even at 2-10 yrs .

You lose credibility when you rate a company low just b/c they run freightliner century ,as the brand of truck a company runs says little about driver earnings .


But I guess you got plenty of trucking experience via DELL ...And someday my even get a CDL...Lol

didn't say anything about the truck having to do with the driver's earnings.. Also if you wasn't trying so hard to be such a wise ass one of main arguments was equipment!! Schneider has some of the worst trailers, System and Dedicated!! Hell There Bulk Tankers even has Dents the size of Texas!!! but hell your know it all big jeep.. yeah i guess you got all the answer tho right??
But answer me this mr. Jeep, where can this young man go to make an nice smooth 40 to 45 k his first year?? Please, tell me so i can go apply for it too....

And let me ask you this, if both companies had the same pay packages, same amount of miles and the same benfits.. but one company has far superior better equipment which one are u going to choose?? let me guess the one with the less well maintain equipment??

P.S. No my Trucking Experience comes from VIA Pops, Three Uncles, and Three Cousins who has a combined experience over 100 years (Pops 30 years, Uncle 1 25 years, Uncle 2 19 years, Uncle 3 13 years, the Cousins make up the rest)... sorry i'm not Double L... I actually drive a truck and been driving (illegally for some) a riding for a while now..

BIG JEEP on 44's 12-10-2008 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawkjr (Post 428218)
didn't say anything about the truck having to do with the driver's earnings.. Also if you wasn't trying so hard to be such a wise ass one of main arguments was equipment!! Schneider has some of the worst trailers, System and Dedicated!! Hell There Bulk Tankers even has Dents the size of Texas!!! but hell your know it all big jeep.. yeah i guess you got all the answer tho right??
But answer me this mr. Jeep, where can this young man go to make an nice smooth 40 to 45 k his first year?? Please, tell me so i can go apply for it too....

And let me ask you this, if both companies had the same pay packages, same amount of miles and the same benfits.. but one company has far superior better equipment which one are u going to choose?? let me guess the one with the less well maintain equipment??

P.S. No my Trucking Experience comes from VIA Pops, Three Uncles, and Three Cousins who has a combined experience over 100 years (Pops 30 years, Uncle 1 25 years, Uncle 2 19 years, Uncle 3 13 years, the Cousins make up the rest)... sorry i'm not Double L... I actually drive a truck and been driving (illegally for some) a riding for a while now..



And yet still I do not recall advocating Schneider ,as a quality career choice . As far as making 40-45k 1st year I can say not at Werner for sure ,and probably not SNI ...Maybe Crete as they have one of the better 1st year pay scales ,but you need miles ,and that can vary driver 2 driver at these companies ...Also your 1st year earnings will be limited if you come to the table with a criminal past/bad MVR leaving you only choices like SNI,CRST,and Werner ...

Your Uncles cousins brothers sisters fathers alternative life parter with 30 yrs experience does not qualify you as knowldgeable ,and having decades of driving does not automatically make them any good ,as it's possible to do something for decades and still blow at it...And sometimes it becomes a family tradition .


And your "ILLEGAL" driving I hope a lame attempt at proving experience where there is none ...But why drive illegal ...Why not obtain a legal CDL somehow with all the life long career drivers in your family ?

Hawkjr 12-10-2008 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG JEEP on 44's (Post 428221)
And yet still I do not recall advocating Schneider ,as a quality career choice . As far as making 40-45k 1st year I can say not at Werner for sure ,and probably not SNI ...Maybe Crete as they have one of the better 1st year pay scales ,but you need miles ,and that can vary driver 2 driver at these companies ...Also your 1st year earnings will be limited if you come to the table with a criminal past/bad MVR leaving you only choices like SNI,CRST,and Werner ...

Your Uncles cousins brothers sisters fathers alternative life parter with 30 yrs experience does not qualify you as knowldgeable ,and having decades of driving does not automatically make them any good ,as it's possible to do something for decades and still blow at it...And sometimes it becomes a family tradition .


And your "ILLEGAL" driving I hope a lame attempt at proving experience where there is none ...But why drive illegal ...Why not obtain a legal CDL somehow with all the life long career drivers in your family ?

lol lame attempt.... yeah some how us good ol' country boys down here in VA some how get away with that from time to time... but now i have a CDL pure Legal so i will not answer your last question...

But how in the hell will you drive for so many years and suck?? lol if someone works at a factory and tears @$%! up and they are still working there after 10 and 15 years i'm pretty sure that factory is not profitable! What driver has been driving for 15+ , Wreck S^%@, Tore Up Equipment and still has a job?? that logic doesn't make any sense...

and yeah Crete, i've heard decent things about there first year program.... i'll leave it at that...

the knowledgeable question.. i'm going to leave that alone, thats pure ignorance on your behalf...

By the way are your shifting empties at a Beer Plant?? there's alot of experience coming out of that.. YOU GO BOY!!!


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