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Paperless Logs
Howdy:
Anyone other than Werner using paperless logs? Are they a wave of the future or just another method to control the industry? Please advise.... thanks |
Re: Paperless Logs
Originally Posted by Genesisman
Howdy:
Anyone other than Werner using paperless logs? Are they a wave of the future or just another method to control the industry? Please advise.... thanks Driversdailylog.com It will tell you when your 11 & 14 hour is up, it will tell you when your 70 hour is up (it does the re-cap for you). It is nice. You need a computer, printer, ink & paper. Check it out, most companies are accepting it any more. No I don't get a profit; although I should since I sell @ least 2 a week for them! I suggest it for the fact to help the driver out! :D |
Re: Paperless Logs
Originally Posted by Dawn
Originally Posted by Genesisman
Howdy:
Anyone other than Werner using paperless logs? Are they a wave of the future or just another method to control the industry? Please advise.... thanks Driversdailylog.com It will tell you when your 11 & 14 hour is up, it will tell you when your 70 hour is up (it does the re-cap for you). It is nice. You need a computer, printer, ink & paper. Check it out, most companies are accepting it any more. No I don't get a profit; although I should since I sell @ least 2 a week for them! I suggest it for the fact to help the driver out! :D kc0iv |
I liked the paperless logs, but they are by no means perfect nor are they a replacement for KNOWING and understanding the whole section 395 of the FMCSR.
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!!! |
Re: Paperless Logs
Originally Posted by Genesisman
Howdy:
Anyone other than Werner using paperless logs? Are they a wave of the future or just another method to control the industry? Please advise.... thanks As far as a wave of the future I doubt it will be anywhere soon. Roadstar online http://www.roadstaronline.com/1999/12/9912001.asp has a pretty good article (ever if is somewhat dated) about the whole concept of OBR. Even if FMCSA passed a ruling today requiring OBR I can see years of lawsuits being filed and lawsuits of those rulings happening. The answer people like CRASH and PATT want isn't going to be solved by OBR. Even the European Union (who have used OBR for years) admits it hasn't improved driver fatigue. The only way driver fatigue will be reduced will be when drivers are required to be on a set schedule. Which isn't going to happen. Until there is a complete change in the industry FMCSA will keep making rulings that are more feel good rules than being effective. I'm glad I'm done with driving (retired) so I don't have to worry about the future rulings. kc0iv |
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I like paper logs, wouldn't trade it for anything.
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Re: Paperless Logs
Originally Posted by Dawn
Originally Posted by Genesisman
Howdy:
Anyone other than Werner using paperless logs? Are they a wave of the future or just another method to control the industry? Please advise.... thanks Driversdailylog.com It will tell you when your 11 & 14 hour is up, it will tell you when your 70 hour is up (it does the re-cap for you). It is nice. You need a computer, printer, ink & paper. Check it out, most companies are accepting it any more. No I don't get a profit; although I should since I sell @ least 2 a week for them! I suggest it for the fact to help the driver out! :D I downloaded the program, they give you a 60 day free trial. Boy, the less work for me, the better I like it. I hate paperwork |
Re: Paperless Logs
Originally Posted by kc0iv
Originally Posted by Dawn
Originally Posted by Genesisman
Howdy:
Anyone other than Werner using paperless logs? Are they a wave of the future or just another method to control the industry? Please advise.... thanks Driversdailylog.com It will tell you when your 11 & 14 hour is up, it will tell you when your 70 hour is up (it does the re-cap for you). It is nice. You need a computer, printer, ink & paper. Check it out, most companies are accepting it any more. No I don't get a profit; although I should since I sell @ least 2 a week for them! I suggest it for the fact to help the driver out! :D kc0iv DDL does support scanable logs, read their website! |
Re: Paperless Logs
Originally Posted by ssoutlaw
Originally Posted by kc0iv
Originally Posted by Dawn
Originally Posted by Genesisman
Howdy:
Anyone other than Werner using paperless logs? Are they a wave of the future or just another method to control the industry? Please advise.... thanks Driversdailylog.com It will tell you when your 11 & 14 hour is up, it will tell you when your 70 hour is up (it does the re-cap for you). It is nice. You need a computer, printer, ink & paper. Check it out, most companies are accepting it any more. No I don't get a profit; although I should since I sell @ least 2 a week for them! I suggest it for the fact to help the driver out! :D kc0iv DDL does support scanable logs, read their website! I talked to Fritz several years ago about making more print modules and he said he just doesn't have the time. So it doesn't look like he has changed his mind. kc0iv |
Re: Paperless Logs
Originally Posted by kc0iv
Originally Posted by Dawn
Originally Posted by Genesisman
Howdy:
Anyone other than Werner using paperless logs? Are they a wave of the future or just another method to control the industry? Please advise.... thanks Driversdailylog.com It will tell you when your 11 & 14 hour is up, it will tell you when your 70 hour is up (it does the re-cap for you). It is nice. You need a computer, printer, ink & paper. Check it out, most companies are accepting it any more. No I don't get a profit; although I should since I sell @ least 2 a week for them! I suggest it for the fact to help the driver out! :D kc0iv I use JJ Keller scan software and it works better with them (as long as they use the company print out form) I also know anyone using the Rair system; they allow the logs (as long as they use the company print out form) Also Rapid accepts them! I was going to give you the link to the companys that accept them, but it seems their website is having issue's (uh oh/ scary, but that happens) Go to their website and look for where it says companies that accept DDL and you can see the list, it is pretty long! You can also use it regardless if they accept them or not and just copy from the computer to your log @ least it gives you the math answers! We accept them and I never sent anything out stating we do, just word of mouth if we have talked with them |
Re: Paperless Logs
Originally Posted by jnk2001
Originally Posted by Dawn
Originally Posted by Genesisman
Howdy:
Anyone other than Werner using paperless logs? Are they a wave of the future or just another method to control the industry? Please advise.... thanks Driversdailylog.com It will tell you when your 11 & 14 hour is up, it will tell you when your 70 hour is up (it does the re-cap for you). It is nice. You need a computer, printer, ink & paper. Check it out, most companies are accepting it any more. No I don't get a profit; although I should since I sell @ least 2 a week for them! I suggest it for the fact to help the driver out! :D I downloaded the program, they give you a 60 day free trial. Boy, the less work for me, the better I like it. I hate paperwork It's also great for tax reasons (owner operators mainly; I guess?). Keeps track of expenses, fuel (fuel tax) etc! I don't know much about that part, but i know owner operators and the tax man loves it! :D |
Re: Paperless Logs
Originally Posted by kc0iv
Originally Posted by ssoutlaw
Originally Posted by kc0iv
Originally Posted by Dawn
Originally Posted by Genesisman
Howdy:
Anyone other than Werner using paperless logs? Are they a wave of the future or just another method to control the industry? Please advise.... thanks Driversdailylog.com It will tell you when your 11 & 14 hour is up, it will tell you when your 70 hour is up (it does the re-cap for you). It is nice. You need a computer, printer, ink & paper. Check it out, most companies are accepting it any more. No I don't get a profit; although I should since I sell @ least 2 a week for them! I suggest it for the fact to help the driver out! :D kc0iv DDL does support scanable logs, read their website! I talked to Fritz several years ago about making more print modules and he said he just doesn't have the time. So it doesn't look like he has changed his mind. kc0iv |
Re: Paperless Logs
Originally Posted by Dawn
KC all the company needs to do is send them a log sheet and I believe maybe signing a form stating they allow Driversdailylog to post it for drivers use on their website.
I use JJ Keller scan software and it works better with them (as long as they use the company print out form) I also know anyone using the Rair system; they allow the logs (as long as they use the company print out form) Also Rapid accepts them! I was going to give you the link to the companys that accept them, but it seems their website is having issue's (uh oh/ scary, but that happens) Go to their website and look for where it says companies that accept DDL and you can see the list, it is pretty long! You can also use it regardless if they accept them or not and just copy from the computer to your log @ least it gives you the math answers! We accept them and I never sent anything out stating we do, just word of mouth if we have talked with them It is more involve than simply signing a release form and sending DDL a copy of your log. That is where the different print modules come into play. Such things as print size, carriage spacing, line feed spacing, etc. and all the different control codes used by the printer for each of them effect how DDL print modules works. As an example I used one of the loose leaf printed forms. None of the DDL print modules would work for that form. When I talked to Fritz he said the demand was not high enough to create that print module so there was nothing he could do at that time. I solved my problem by writing my own print module for the printer I had. Which BTW each printer requires different commands codes to perform the task. When I changed carriers I was leased to and signed on with a new carrier they didn't use scanning software so I started using the classic module that DDL has and sent them to the carrier. Which was easier because using loose leaf required me to run a second program to make the conversion. I simply printed two copies. Send one to the carrier and kept one for my records. When I got home I would transfer the DDL information to my home computer as an addition backup and also for use it in my accounting program. As a side not I wrote the conversion program to transfer the DDL information to my accounting program. All I had to do was run one program to make the transfer. If you look at the list of companies DDL has listed on their website you will notice there are very few major companies listed. Most of the major companies have their own custom forms which may or may not conform to DDL. Again, let me say DDL "lite" will ONLY print in what they call "classic style." This is no where a complete explanation of the topic of DDL print module. Not being rude by I doubt you have the computer background it would require to fully explain the print modules and how they work. I do agree DDL is a good program even if you have to transfer it's results over a printed form. Whether a driver needs the DDL 'lite" or the DDL "full" depends if he/she needs the account information DDL can provide. If the driver drives a company truck I doubt he/she would need anything more than the "lite" assuming he/she doesn't need the additional print modules. If a driver follows the results given by DDL he/she can rest assured he/she will not have a problem with a log violation. kc0iv |
Dawn I would agree Driver Daily Log is a good program. I used it for years. That being said the majority of companies do not accept them. Mainly for two reasons. (1) They have pre-printed log forms. and (2) Many have custom log scanning software that Driver Daily Log does not support. It is still a good program that you can use and then transfer the results to a paper log however.
Instead of quoting your last post: I thought I would clarify what I was stating here! 1) Yes many companies have pre-printed forms: If your company has many drivers you can have the "company" contact Bruce or Frank and they would probably consider making that format if the company has many drivers that would be likely to pay the fee! 2) Goes to back to the 1 same answer. I know this because we are also on Scan software within the company and Bruce made a template that works well with our scanning software. I also know several of the Scanning softwares will work with the DDL! There is not many scanning softwares out there for logs anyhow! I know the 3 main one's will work with the DDL. Now if DDL does not have that paticular format you do as stated in answer 1 (If they know they will get many drivers to sign up; it will be worth their time) It may take a month or 2 but that is well worth the wait! I know the program pretty well myself! I do not care what they have to do to get the format of the log on the internet for drivers use, that is their career; not mine. I know they told me to send them an updated log (form 0801) and they will update it ,but it will take possibly 2 months to complete it. That is fine with me! When you change carriers and they don't accept the DDL you get that company to understand hey it is better if you do accept these (again as long as the format is availabel and if not have many drivers send Bruce an e-mail to request it or have the company call and state how many drivers they have and he will probably agree to do it if the company has many drivers!) I am only trying to help you out! Now if you work for a company that has 10 trucks chances are that wouldn't be worth DDL's time. But if you drive for a bigger company it would be worth his time. The form he has posted for 0801 doesn't print exactly like ours, but it works with my scanner! The form # is the key to the scanning software! I know about the logging software! As far as major companies listed: Lets see JB Hunt, Celadon, Crete, CRST, them are just a few that I will name, like i said their site is having issue's at least from my connection. There is a list! There is also a list of the form #'s. If yours isn't on it, then you could leave it at that! Or you could attempt the steps I told you above. That's what a driver did to get us to allow our drivers to use it. I simply said no! He went over my head and well the company said ok, it is really legal and worth it so we contacted DDL ourselves ! Saves the company money on log books :wink: That's one of their advantages |
Dawn, I'm a retired computer programmer. So I'm sure I a have lot better understanding of what is involved in creating print modules than you.
Secondly, I haven't spoke to either Bruce or Frank. I have spoken several times to Fritz (before either Bruce or Frank were even involved). I was one of the guys involved in the beta testing of DDL way back when. Dawn, I know you want to help. However, there are subjects you don't know about and are better left to those that do know. This just happens to be one of these subjects. It only makes people go off on you (which happens on just about thread on this board). Ask yourself Why? As a wise man once said: " It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain kc0iv |
Originally Posted by kc0iv
Dawn, I'm a retired computer programmer. So I'm sure I a have lot better understanding of what is involved in creating print modules than you.
Secondly, I haven't spoke to either Bruce or Frank. I have spoken several times to Fritz (before either Bruce or Frank were even involved). I was one of the guys involved in the beta testing of DDL way back when. Dawn, I know you want to help. However, there are subjects you don't know about and are better left to those that do know. This just happens to be one of these subjects. It only makes people go off on you (which happens on just about thread on this board). Ask yourself Why? As a wise man once said: " It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain kc0iv I know how a driver is to go about getting the "COMPANY" to allow DDL and if the compay won't it is their loss! I know how Frank, Bruce and Fritz work, and if you can make them money I doubt they turn their back; will it take time to get the job done! YESSSSSSSSSS! So again I think you have everything messed up and I guess you know it all from years ago! For those drivers who might be interested follow the steps I mentioned and "MAYBE" you can get your company to accept DDL! I know from "RECENT 2 WEEK" conversation with DDL on what "I" need to do! Again if they company is worth wasting their time, THEY WILL! Sorry you mis understood the concept of the question being asked! |
Originally Posted by kc0iv
Dawn, I'm a retired computer programmer. So I'm sure I a have lot better understanding of what is involved in creating print modules than you.
Secondly, I haven't spoke to either Bruce or Frank. I have spoken several times to Fritz (before either Bruce or Frank were even involved). I was one of the guys involved in the beta testing of DDL way back when. Dawn, I know you want to help. However, there are subjects you don't know about and are better left to those that do know. This just happens to be one of these subjects. It only makes people go off on you (which happens on just about thread on this board). Ask yourself Why? As a wise man once said: " It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain kc0iv Also it is best a wiseman learns how to read! Computer programing isn't the topic here!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't care who goes off! It is only the certain one's and the others well they seem to have no PROBLEEEEEEMMMMMMMMMMMMM with me! IT's called grow up! You are retired? Wow you sound like about 16 for your maturity in typing! :roll: I know I was not even talking about "PROGRAMMING THE DDL" I was talking about how to get your company to accept DDL and a "few" steps of how to get the process going! I never claimed to know the process and or know how the program was programmed as a matter of fact, I SAID I DONT CARE HOW IT IS DONE, That is their job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So make a fool of yourself by trying to make a fool of me, like Rev and the other 2 that do! |
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I don't care who goes off! It is only the certain one's and the others well they seem to have no PROBLEEEEEEMMMMMMMMMMMMM with me! |
On tonights episode of " Dawn does not know her azz from a paper sack "....
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Originally Posted by jnk2001
I don't care who goes off! It is only the certain one's and the others well they seem to have no PROBLEEEEEEMMMMMMMMMMMMM with me! |
Originally Posted by kc0iv
Dawn, I'm a retired computer programmer. So I'm sure I a have lot better understanding of what is involved in creating print modules than you.
Secondly, I haven't spoke to either Bruce or Frank. I have spoken several times to Fritz (before either Bruce or Frank were even involved). I was one of the guys involved in the beta testing of DDL way back when. Dawn, I know you want to help. However, there are subjects you don't know about and are better left to those that do know. This just happens to be one of these subjects. It only makes people go off on you (which happens on just about thread on this board). Ask yourself Why? As a wise man once said: " It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain kc0iv Which is basically what I stated in the first place! I never claimed to know how to PROGRAM the DDL, AGAIN NO THANKS, THAT IS THEIR JOB, NOT MINE! I know what the "Company" is thinking, I thought the same thing; hmmm. If your company accepts logs printed from one of the existing print modules then all we need know which print module and 'form variation' if any for the print module. Getting company to accept DDL printed logs. In general it is a matter of presenting a DDL printed log to your log department, and 'see what happens'. See if the log will scan if your motor carrier has a scanning system. Most companies recognize the advantages of neat, error free, duty status logs. Swift, JB Hunt, Prime, Celadon are a few that come to mind that accept and encourage drivers to use DDL if they have computers. But there are a few that seem to remember the regulations 'logs must be in the drivers own handwriting'. But there has been a Regulatory Guidance (Question 28 FMCSR 395.8 - big green book - since 2002) which gives guidance on computer printed logs) I suggest 'snail mail' of a couple of blank forms to me. Fritz Bjorklund, PO Box 157, Kulpmont PA 17834. So I can review to see if one of the existing print modules 'match' or the modifications are minimal. For a 'brand new' form i.e. different, we require that 25 drivers be confirmed as DDL users of that form before we can commit to the development effort required to prepare a new print module. The 'Is DDL Legal' topic on the web site. Including copies of the original letter FMCSA sent me regarding the Regulatory Guidance. http://www.driversdailylog.com/ddllegal.htm. 10 Jan 2002. FMCSA issues 'Regulatory Guidance' favorable to DDL users - 04 Jan 2002 Response from FMCSA p3 See below for the other two pages of the FMCSA letter of 04 Jan 2002. Good news for computer users. http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/f...nterp395.8.htm Check out Question 28 at the FMCSA Regulatory Guidance page 'Interpretations' for 395.8 Driver's Record of Duty Status. The FMCSA finally 'published' the Guidance on the web. DDL v3.4.2.0 or later for CAN2007 and USA rules. http://www.driversdailylog.com/DDL340.EXE Direct links to DDL install programs. Also visit www.driversdailylog.com every two months or so to see if new features in DDL are useful. They can be downloaded to update your DDL without additional charges. Sincerely, Fritz Roland Bjorklund If you read all my post; sounds like I said the same thing as him, but "KC" said the exact opposite. For instance KC stated "Frank does not have time to make any more print modules". He clearly stated 25 or more drivers and he will be happy to work on a new print module if one of them does not currently match your log format. You said it wasn't as simple as mailing out a log sheet, but Frank clearly states to snail mail a log sheet and he will make the template as closely as possible; if 25 or more drivers are signed on with DDL using the same format. Which is why I said get a bunch of drivers to e-mail DDL requesting that log format. So everyone before you assume one is not right; maybe you should check your facts :roll: :roll: :roll: KC was under the "WRONG" impression of the discussion and thought I said I knew how to "PROGRAM" the DDL on print modules; which is NOT EVEN THE CASE, and I specifaclly stated I don't care how they program anything, that is their job! I on the other hand was telling drivers how to go about getting their company to accept DDL and how to get a hold of DDL to SEE if they can get their print module set up! KC get your head out of the programming world and learn how to read "again" what was discussed in the first place! Oh and did you contact him 10 years ago and that is the information you retain? HE HAS GROWN SINCE THEN! :lol: |
KC never said you knew how to program anything.
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Originally Posted by Dawn
KC: Below is an e-mail from Frank @ DDL: Which is basically what I stated in the first place! I never claimed to know how to PROGRAM the DDL, AGAIN NO THANKS, THAT IS THEIR JOB, NOT MINE! I know what the "Company" is thinking, I thought the same thing; hmmm. If your company accepts logs printed from one of the existing print modules then all we need know which print module and 'form variation' if any for the print module. Getting company to accept DDL printed logs. In general it is a matter of presenting a DDL printed log to your log department, and 'see what happens'. See if the log will scan if your motor carrier has a scanning system. Most companies recognize the advantages of neat, error free, duty status logs. Swift, JB Hunt, Prime, Celadon are a few that come to mind that accept and encourage drivers to use DDL if they have computers. But there are a few that seem to remember the regulations 'logs must be in the drivers own handwriting'. But there has been a Regulatory Guidance (Question 28 FMCSR 395.8 - big green book - since 2002) which gives guidance on computer printed logs) I suggest 'snail mail' of a couple of blank forms to me. Fritz Bjorklund, PO Box 157, Kulpmont PA 17834. So I can review to see if one of the existing print modules 'match' or the modifications are minimal. For a 'brand new' form i.e. different, we require that 25 drivers be confirmed as DDL users of that form before we can commit to the development effort required to prepare a new print module. The 'Is DDL Legal' topic on the web site. Including copies of the original letter FMCSA sent me regarding the Regulatory Guidance. http://www.driversdailylog.com/ddllegal.htm. 10 Jan 2002. FMCSA issues 'Regulatory Guidance' favorable to DDL users - 04 Jan 2002 Response from FMCSA p3 See below for the other two pages of the FMCSA letter of 04 Jan 2002. Good news for computer users. http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/f...nterp395.8.htm Check out Question 28 at the FMCSA Regulatory Guidance page 'Interpretations' for 395.8 Driver's Record of Duty Status. The FMCSA finally 'published' the Guidance on the web. DDL v3.4.2.0 or later for CAN2007 and USA rules. http://www.driversdailylog.com/DDL340.EXE Direct links to DDL install programs. Also visit www.driversdailylog.com every two months or so to see if new features in DDL are useful. They can be downloaded to update your DDL without additional charges. Sincerely, Fritz Roland Bjorklund If you read all my post; sounds like I said the same thing as him, but "KC" said the exact opposite. For instance KC stated "Frank does not have time to make any more print modules". He clearly stated 25 or more drivers and he will be happy to work on a new print module if one of them does not currently match your log format. You said it wasn't as simple as mailing out a log sheet, but Frank clearly states to snail mail a log sheet and he will make the template as closely as possible; if 25 or more drivers are signed on with DDL using the same format. Which is why I said get a bunch of drivers to e-mail DDL requesting that log format. So everyone before you assume one is not right; maybe you should check your facts :roll: :roll: :roll: KC was under the "WRONG" impression of the discussion and thought I said I knew how to "PROGRAM" the DDL on print modules; which is NOT EVEN THE CASE, and I specifaclly stated I don't care how they program anything, that is their job! I on the other hand was telling drivers how to go about getting their company to accept DDL and how to get a hold of DDL to SEE if they can get their print module set up! KC get your head out of the programming world and learn how to read "again" what was discussed in the first place! Oh and did you contact him 10 years ago and that is the information you retain? HE HAS GROWN SINCE THEN! :lol: Why don't you read what Fritz said in his letter to you(?). Then answer a few questions. (1) What was his first suggestion? (2) When he suggested mailing him copies of your log what was he first going to do with these copies? (3) How many and what kind of users are required before he will commit to his development effort for a new print module? Now outside the letter from Fritz give the the posting were I said: "Frank does not have time to make any more print modules." Seeing I have NEVER spoke to Frank I'd like for you to show this posting where I made such a statement. I'll put a $1000 bucks up saying you can't produce this quote. kc0iv |
Originally Posted by glasman2
KC never said you knew how to program anything.
Dawn seen to be a person that just can't understand basic reading with comprehension. And along with that she would rather argue than except she doesn't know something. The old get the last word in. kc0iv |
Originally Posted by kc0iv
Originally Posted by Dawn
KC: Below is an e-mail from Frank @ DDL: Which is basically what I stated in the first place! I never claimed to know how to PROGRAM the DDL, AGAIN NO THANKS, THAT IS THEIR JOB, NOT MINE! I know what the "Company" is thinking, I thought the same thing; hmmm. If your company accepts logs printed from one of the existing print modules then all we need know which print module and 'form variation' if any for the print module. Getting company to accept DDL printed logs. In general it is a matter of presenting a DDL printed log to your log department, and 'see what happens'. See if the log will scan if your motor carrier has a scanning system. Most companies recognize the advantages of neat, error free, duty status logs. Swift, JB Hunt, Prime, Celadon are a few that come to mind that accept and encourage drivers to use DDL if they have computers. But there are a few that seem to remember the regulations 'logs must be in the drivers own handwriting'. But there has been a Regulatory Guidance (Question 28 FMCSR 395.8 - big green book - since 2002) which gives guidance on computer printed logs) I suggest 'snail mail' of a couple of blank forms to me. Fritz Bjorklund, PO Box 157, Kulpmont PA 17834. So I can review to see if one of the existing print modules 'match' or the modifications are minimal. For a 'brand new' form i.e. different, we require that 25 drivers be confirmed as DDL users of that form before we can commit to the development effort required to prepare a new print module. The 'Is DDL Legal' topic on the web site. Including copies of the original letter FMCSA sent me regarding the Regulatory Guidance. http://www.driversdailylog.com/ddllegal.htm. 10 Jan 2002. FMCSA issues 'Regulatory Guidance' favorable to DDL users - 04 Jan 2002 Response from FMCSA p3 See below for the other two pages of the FMCSA letter of 04 Jan 2002. Good news for computer users. http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/f...nterp395.8.htm Check out Question 28 at the FMCSA Regulatory Guidance page 'Interpretations' for 395.8 Driver's Record of Duty Status. The FMCSA finally 'published' the Guidance on the web. DDL v3.4.2.0 or later for CAN2007 and USA rules. http://www.driversdailylog.com/DDL340.EXE Direct links to DDL install programs. Also visit www.driversdailylog.com every two months or so to see if new features in DDL are useful. They can be downloaded to update your DDL without additional charges. Sincerely, Fritz Roland Bjorklund If you read all my post; sounds like I said the same thing as him, but "KC" said the exact opposite. For instance KC stated "Frank does not have time to make any more print modules". He clearly stated 25 or more drivers and he will be happy to work on a new print module if one of them does not currently match your log format. You said it wasn't as simple as mailing out a log sheet, but Frank clearly states to snail mail a log sheet and he will make the template as closely as possible; if 25 or more drivers are signed on with DDL using the same format. Which is why I said get a bunch of drivers to e-mail DDL requesting that log format. So everyone before you assume one is not right; maybe you should check your facts :roll: :roll: :roll: KC was under the "WRONG" impression of the discussion and thought I said I knew how to "PROGRAM" the DDL on print modules; which is NOT EVEN THE CASE, and I specifaclly stated I don't care how they program anything, that is their job! I on the other hand was telling drivers how to go about getting their company to accept DDL and how to get a hold of DDL to SEE if they can get their print module set up! KC get your head out of the programming world and learn how to read "again" what was discussed in the first place! Oh and did you contact him 10 years ago and that is the information you retain? HE HAS GROWN SINCE THEN! :lol: Why don't you read what Fritz said in his letter to you(?). Then answer a few questions. (1) What was his first suggestion? In general it is a matter of presenting a DDL printed log to your log department, and 'see what happens'. See if the log will scan if your motor carrier has a scanning system. Most companies recognize the advantages of neat, error free, duty status logs. His first suggestion was to give your company a printed DDL log sheet ( 2 drivers did this with me and I as one of the people Bruce stated was "NO my scanning software does not accept this instantly instead of researching it as I am a very busy woman) All the driver needs to do is attempt the steps I stated. JJ keller froms are listed under the Drivers Daily log forms! Which is what most companies use, now some use Rapid and now some smaller companies could care less as long as it is a log sheet! (2) When he suggested mailing him copies of your log what was he first going to do with these copies? I suggest 'snail mail' of a couple of blank forms to me. Fritz Bjorklund, PO Box 157, Kulpmont PA 17834. So I can review to see if one of the existing print modules 'match' or the modifications are minimal. For a 'brand new' form i.e. different, we require that 25 drivers be confirmed as DDL users of that form before we can commit to the development effort required to prepare a new print module. Not sure what you are talking about, he said if they don't currently have that form, all you need to do is snail mail him a copy and it takes @ least 25 drivers and he can commit! They seem to have most of the Scanning software forms as a few may not be listed, the most common software is on there :lol: I have checked out most of the logging scanning software for trucking companies recently and in my consideration they should have accepted DDL! (3) How many and what kind of users are required before he will commit to his development effort for a new print module? 25?? I said in the beginning if it would be worth their time? This is why I asked you what form you are using and who do you work for, not trying to be personal, trying to be helpfull to you :) Now outside the letter from Fritz give the the posting were I said: "Frank does not have time to make any more print modules." Seeing I have NEVER spoke to Frank I'd like for you to show this posting where I made such a statement. I'll put a $1000 bucks up saying you can't produce this quote. kc0iv I also stated I am not sure exactly the process with the company versus DDL to get started as I was not in on that! I do know what response I had towards drivers when I was approached and I openly stated this to help a driver push it further! Wow what a concept I didn't state I knew everything about it, but I stated the steps a driver should go through to get it accepted if possible! Wow why are we having this debate for? Your argument was that I stated it was simple to make the template of the log form, I did not! I stated they would be willing if it was worth their time! 10 drivers would not be worth their time (me I would take the time for the 10, but I am not running that business). So what exactly would you like an answer to? Be specific and if it makes sense to something I aruged you about I will be glad to copy it and send it off to Bruce! |
Originally Posted by Dawn
So what exactly would you like an answer to? Be specific and if it makes sense to something I aruged you about I will be glad to copy it and send it off to Bruce!
No thanks for your offer. The way you screw-up things I'd rather talk directly to DDL if I wanted to know something. kc0iv |
Originally Posted by kc0iv
Originally Posted by Dawn
So what exactly would you like an answer to? Be specific and if it makes sense to something I aruged you about I will be glad to copy it and send it off to Bruce!
No thanks for your offer. The way you screw-up things I'd rather talk directly to DDL if I wanted to know something. kc0iv |
You 2 need to give it up!!
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She is still stuck on him saying she knew anything about programing, which he ( never said anything of the kind )
Getting a little tiresome hearing her complain about that. |
Originally Posted by glasman2
She is still stuck on him saying she knew anything about programing, which he ( never said anything of the kind )
Getting a little tiresome hearing her complain about that. No offense to either of them, but its getting old quick...lol Not even good reading anymore.....lol |
In that case lets high-jack this topic :lol:
How's the knee today? Myself I was working out and pulled something in my back, so taking a few days off from working out, and NOT doing that part of the exercise for a while. |
Originally Posted by glasman2
In that case lets high-jack this topic :lol:
How's the knee today? Myself I was working out and pulled something in my back, so taking a few days off from working out, and NOT doing that part of the exercise for a while. Still hurts like hell, writing out bills. Wow, how fun is that...lol |
kc0iv, face it man.....you've been baffled by bullsh*t :P :roll: :shock: :wink: :mrgreen:
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Does anyone have the JJ keller 0821 print module that is used in driver daily log software?
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Originally Posted by Imrighthere5656
(Post 529215)
Does anyone have the JJ keller 0821 print module that is used in driver daily log software?
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