I know I do it wrong, I stop on the line with my blinker on, ohhh I forgot to mention I take up both lanes if I can, if not I can swing wide enough and make a right turn , I just pull out almost across the street then turn sharp almost into cross traffic and never have I hit a stop sign or lightpost or touched the curb.. but I stop on the line at the cross walk, been back 30 feet I am entering somtimes and its yellow aready on the light, I get up front and personal with traffic, no time to lay back..I will push them back if I have to or I block the intersectioin until they move, most times it has never been a problem turning any direction anywhere yet...
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