Another great reason to love a Volvo. The only way you can lock yourself out is by locking the doors and then lose the keys.

You are missing the point entirely. :roll:

No Rev.Vassago, I am not missing the point. I obviously made a valid claim or you would have shown me this supposed point I am missing. You are assuming that everyone who purchases this device is planning on engaging in criminal mischeif. This is exactly the same as someone buying a pair of bolt cutters in a truck stop. They may be purchasing them to be able to break a bolt seal on their trailer when they arrive at the receiver. Now, on the other hand they may use these bolt cutters to cut the lock or seal on someone else's trailer so they can take items from that trailer. See it is the same as the slim jim argument. Since all major truck stops sell bolt cutters then by your moral standard (not wanting to contribute to criminal activity) we should boycott all major truck stop chains. So tell me how the bolt cutter argument is any different from the slim jim argument.

I already said you are.

Yes, it was a valid claim, but you are still missing the point.

I made no such assumption.

No, it isn't the same.

A bolt cutter has a legitimate use outside of a potentially illegal practice. A slim jim does not. What else is a slim jim good for than opening a vehicle door? This is why the manufacturer is forced to print "not responsible for illegal use" on the back of the packaging.

Perhaps eventually you will get the point that there is no legitimate reason for any truckstop to make an illegal activity easier by providing tools specifically designed for that illegal activity, as it only serves to put their customers in harms way. Somehow, I doubt you ever will.

How many do you need? I've got about 20 extras....I'd gladly part with one to help you out. My laundry people hang my shirts on wire hangers and I keep them to insert in the placard holders to keep the placards in, especially in rainy weather....so I always have spares... :D 8) 8)

Pilot SUCKS!!!

Prices on goods are a hoser, most don't have enough help, the bathrooms are filthy....and in general....well..you get the point.

And because you say so it must be the truth, that is slightly egotistical.

Look below, you are saying that the only use a slim jim has is to engage in illegal activity. Sounds like that is your assumption to me. If not you would realize that the person who buys a slim jim has the same chance of engaging in illegal activity as a person who purchases bolt cutters. The only difference is the slim jim gets them access to YOUR stuff where as the bolt cutters gets them access to SOMEONE ELSE'S stuff.

Please explain, it sure has a lot of similarities to me.

Really, a slim jim can only be used illegitimately. Please elaborate.

Exactly, opening doors is not an illegal activity.

No, the reason they put (not forced) that statement on the packaging is because of our over sensitized population that wants to sue or boycott something for the most silly of reasons.

So by making a claim that you doubt I ever will (get your point) makes your claim more valid how? See again you are claiming that the only use, or as you say it, "tools specifically designed" for illegal activity but you will not acknowledge that the same device can be used to open the locked door of a vehicle without it being an illegal activity. That goes right back up to where you say you made no assumption. Which is it, do only criminals buy slim jims or is it possible that legitimate people might use this device as intended by the manufacturer? The problem is you can't seem to make a stance, one statement you say "A bolt cutter has a legitimate use outside of a potentially illegal practice. A slim jim does not." then you say "I made no such assumption" when I said you think everyone purchasing this item plans to engage in criminal mischief. Then you say you doubt I will ever get the point. No kidding your point doesn't stay the same in one posting.

Me....I solved the whole problem by carrying an extra key in my pocket, another one in my wallet....and I even have one hidden on the truck somewhere.....(just hope I can remember where if I ever need it :shock: 8) ) But I'll give you a coat hanger if you need one...... 8)

No, it's very egotistical.

That isn't what I said at all.

That is a very broad conclusion. Besides, I wasn't aware that Pilot sold bolt cutters....

I already did.

The only thing a slim jim does is open doors, legally or illegally. A bolt cutter (which Pilot doesn't even sell, so why are we discussing them?) has many different uses, other than opening doors.

As I already said, it is a potentially illegal activity.

They are obviously aware that their product is going to be used illegally, therefore they are attempting to protect themselves.

Sure it can. I never claimed otherwise.

Sure, a "legitimate" person might use the device. The only "intention" the manufacturer claims on the packaging is that it can open any door.

Sure it does. You are simply trying to compare apples to oranges by comparing a slim jim set, which Pilot sells, and the manufacturer obviously knows can and will be used for illegal purposes (hence the disclaimer), and a bolt cutter, which Pilot doesn't sell, which has multiple uses outside of opening doors.

I suppose next you will attempt to present a valid argument for why they carry siphon hoses....