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The Trucker image takes another hit...
HAGERSTOWN, Md. (AP) — A Florida tractor-trailer driver is free on bond after police say they caught him driving his rig 102 miles an hour while high on crack.
39-year-old Marlin Forest, of Tampa, had a bond review hearing this afternoon in Hagerstown after spending last night in jail. The judge ordered bail to remain at $200,000, but Forest was released later in the day after posting bond. State police say they stopped his rig on Interstate 70 at about 5:30 Sunday morning near Maryland Route 66, a few miles east of Hagerstown. Forest is charged with possessing a controlled dangerous substance and drug paraphernalia. |
Re: The Trucker image takes another hit...
Originally Posted by Fozzy
HAGERSTOWN, Md. (AP) — A Florida tractor-trailer driver is free on bond after police say they caught him driving his rig 102 miles an hour while high on crack.
39-year-old Marlin Forest, of Tampa, had a bond review hearing this afternoon in Hagerstown after spending last night in jail. The judge ordered bail to remain at $200,000, but Forest was released later in the day after posting bond. State police say they stopped his rig on Interstate 70 at about 5:30 Sunday morning near Maryland Route 66, a few miles east of Hagerstown. Forest is charged with possessing a controlled dangerous substance and drug paraphernalia. |
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Originally Posted by Fozzy
HAGERSTOWN, Md. (AP) — A Florida tractor-trailer driver is free on bond after police say they caught him driving his rig 102 miles an hour while high on crack.
39-year-old Marlin Forest, of Tampa, had a bond review hearing this afternoon in Hagerstown after spending last night in jail. The judge ordered bail to remain at $200,000, but Forest was released later in the day after posting bond. State police say they stopped his rig on Interstate 70 at about 5:30 Sunday morning near Maryland Route 66, a few miles east of Hagerstown. Forest is charged with possessing a controlled dangerous substance and drug paraphernalia. |
Re: The Trucker image takes another hit...
Originally Posted by Double R
.........And this surprises how? Look at all the threads as of late with drivers asking who will hire them with a felony on thier record. The industry is going down the tubes fast.
And the answer is "no" you can't drive a truck if you have been convicted of a felony. And "no" you can't drive a truck if you have a DUI. So doesn't that mean the industry is improving? BTW, anyone driving a truck at 102 is an O/O. And some of them are O/O's because no one will hire them. |
And the answer is "no" you can't drive a truck if you have been convicted of a felony. And "no" you can't drive a truck if you have a DUI. So doesn't that mean the industry is improving? YES, these same compaines DO hire people with DUI convictions, depending on how long ago it was. DUI THREAD FELONY THREAD Both from this site. So yes you can drive atruck with a felony and/or DUI conviction on your record. |
I didnt hire him...lol
But sure enough in the future I will get him on the phone where he will tell me that he is a great driver with only 1 ticket! |
Originally Posted by Sheepdancer
I didnt hire him...lol
Originally Posted by sheepdancer
But sure enough in the future I will get him on the phone where he will tell me that he is a great driver with only 1 ticket
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Maybe it was ole Triple digit Bob.
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Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
Maybe it was ole Triple digit Bob.
No,it was not me. I use no drugs and I go more fast than 102. :) I have truck from this EH,Jb hunt and I go 160-162mph,not kilometer. |
And then you have this psycho today. This is he best article I could find on this guy. Maybe someone else can find a better one. My guess was they were his dispatchers.
http://cbs2.com/topstories/topstorie...220173320.html |
Well, it looks like "Sunset" didn't last out there too long!! :P :P
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a guy drinks a beer and drives and people want to hang him.
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Originally Posted by Mackman
a guy drinks a beer and drives and people want to hang him.
Sorry, but my family has to share the roads with too many drivers like that as it is!! :evil: :evil: |
i dont mean in a big truck if it is in a big truck yes hang him. A buddy of mine just got a dui had 3 beers. Just over the limit. Now he was to pay around 5,000. Go to AA classes I just think that is a little much. AM not supporting drinking and driving but 3 beers???
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Originally Posted by Mackman
i dont mean in a big truck if it is in a big truck yes hang him. A buddy of mine just got a dui had 3 beers. Just over the limit. Now he was to pay around 5,000. Go to AA classes I just think that is a little much. AM not supporting drinking and driving but 3 beers???
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Originally Posted by greg3564
Originally Posted by Mackman
i dont mean in a big truck if it is in a big truck yes hang him. A buddy of mine just got a dui had 3 beers. Just over the limit. Now he was to pay around 5,000. Go to AA classes I just think that is a little much. AM not supporting drinking and driving but 3 beers???
The problem with the "Only3 Beers" defense is that reflexes and judgement capacities are compromised, but not always in a manner that is discernable by the person who has been drinking. Those seemingly subtle lapses and impairments can, and all too often, DO result in serious injury or death, and it's not always the drinker who suffers the injuries. Sorry, Mackman, but your friend screwed up, and he's not going to receive any sympathy from me!! |
Originally Posted by Useless
Sorry, Mackman, but your friend screwed up, and he's not going to receive any sympathy from me!!
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Originally Posted by Mackman
Well am done with this i know this will be a losing battle. :wink:
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Re: The Trucker image takes another hit...
Originally Posted by Aligator
Originally Posted by Double R
.........And this surprises how? Look at all the threads as of late with drivers asking who will hire them with a felony on thier record. The industry is going down the tubes fast.
And the answer is "no" you can't drive a truck if you have been convicted of a felony. And "no" you can't drive a truck if you have a DUI. So doesn't that mean the industry is improving? BTW, anyone driving a truck at 102 is an O/O. And some of them are O/O's because no one will hire them. |
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Not Sure Who Said This, But.........
And the answer is "no" you can't drive a truck if you have been convicted of a felony. Useless: Don't know where this poster heard that, but nothing could be further from the truth. I know several felons who are driving. With one exception, the work for Outlaw companies. Poster Unknown: And "no" you can't drive a truck if you have a DUI. So doesn't that mean the industry is improving? Useless: Wrong again!! As for the bit about some drivers who are O/O's because no one else will hire them, there may be a few, but if their records are that bad, then finding anyone who would insure them would be extremely difficult. Whoever posted these comments is coming off as a real "Armchair Driver"/Poser!! |
Mackman put yourself in one of my shoes here. Last year I almost lost my now WIFE TO A DRUNK DRIVER WHO STOPPED AND HAD ONLY 3 BEERS. She was coming home from shopping in town near us and the guy who had stopped at a bar and had 3 quick beers after work then was headed home fell asleep behind the wheel and rear ended my wife at over 100 MPH she was doing 65 that is were the speedo broke. Worst part was the guy was a CDL holder and worked at the time for Yellow out of Chicago IL. Not anymore I made sure of that he lost his CDL and since his insurance was invalid he had not informed his company he had changed cars my insurance was forced to pay for the entire accident.
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Re: The Trucker image takes another hit...
Originally Posted by geeshock
Originally Posted by Aligator
Originally Posted by Double R
.........And this surprises how? Look at all the threads as of late with drivers asking who will hire them with a felony on thier record. The industry is going down the tubes fast.
And the answer is "no" you can't drive a truck if you have been convicted of a felony. And "no" you can't drive a truck if you have a DUI. So doesn't that mean the industry is improving? BTW, anyone driving a truck at 102 is an O/O. And some of them are O/O's because no one will hire them. |
Originally Posted by Useless
Speaking as a degreed RN, I will second what greg3564 said. The problem with the "Only3 Beers" defense is that reflexes and judgement capacities are compromised, but not always in a manner that is discernable by the person who has been drinking. |
Did I not hear on the radio, that this guy was not a licensed CMV operator.
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Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
Mackman put yourself in one of my shoes here. Last year I almost lost my now WIFE TO A DRUNK DRIVER WHO STOPPED AND HAD ONLY 3 BEERS. She was coming home from shopping in town near us and the guy who had stopped at a bar and had 3 quick beers after work then was headed home fell asleep behind the wheel and rear ended my wife at over 100 MPH she was doing 65 that is were the speedo broke. Worst part was the guy was a CDL holder and worked at the time for Yellow out of Chicago IL. Not anymore I made sure of that he lost his CDL and since his insurance was invalid he had not informed his company he had changed cars my insurance was forced to pay for the entire accident.
Sorry to hear about your wife's accident, of course, but you said the guy was a trucker.... can you be CERTAIN that he fell asleep because of three measley beers?? Or could it have been a string of 14 hour days without a reset? I've known a few Women who were intoxicated after only three beers, but I have never met a MAN, let alone a trucker, who would fall asleep after only 3 beers... BECAUSE of the beers. If he had them "quickly," as you say, he May have been barely over the limit, but I doubt seriously if 3 beers caused him to fall asleep at the wheel. It in ENTIRELY possible, that he would have fallen asleep at the wheel and caused the accident WITHOUT the beers. I'm on my second beer in an hour, right now, and will easily have 3 before the 2nd hour is up. I just drove 10 hours home. I couldn't fall asleep right now if I tried! Of course, I drive team... so I was well rested before I started my inbound shift. Were I solo, and cheating the books to drive 18+ hours a day, things might be different. But, I wouldn't need the 3 beers to fall asleep! BTW, how many thousands of dollars fine, and how many "classes" does a kid have to pay/take if he causes an accident because he was "brain dead" while talking on his cellphone? I agree with the poster that said alcohol impairs your judgement more than SOME (but not all) drugs. But, these days... it is becoming one of the LESSER problems on the road! But, again, I BEG you to find me ONE average sized MALE, who has a tolerance for beer and who is well rested, that can "fall asleep at the wheel" after ONLY 3 beers.... BAC be damned! |
He was a Class A Holder who had a P&D for Yellow out of Chicago's Terminal he blew a .11 at the hospital and the standard for us is .04 and everyone else is .08 he was coming home after his first day back from 4 weeks off due to Vacation so HE WAS RESTED. He had not transferred his insurance to his NEW CAR and so his ISSURANCE COMPANY refused to pay for any damages to my wifes car and her medical bills THANKS ALOT ALLSTATE. The worst thing is he bragged that he was drunk to the cops then ran off. He lost his CDL FOREVER AND YELLOW FIRED HIM and the Teamsters refused to help him thankfully.
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Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
He was a Class A Holder who had a P&D for Yellow out of Chicago's Terminal he blew a .11 at the hospital and the standard for us is .04 and everyone else is .08 he was coming home after his first day back from 4 weeks off due to Vacation so HE WAS RESTED. He had not transferred his insurance to his NEW CAR and so his ISSURANCE COMPANY refused to pay for any damages to my wifes car and her medical bills THANKS ALOT ALLSTATE. The worst thing is he bragged that he was drunk to the cops then ran off. He lost his CDL FOREVER AND YELLOW FIRED HIM and the Teamsters refused to help him thankfully.
I don't know what state this happened in, but some states still allow .10 as the limit. Either way, he was barely over the "pedestrian" limit. You say he ran away from the cops, then was chased down and caught, then, taken to a hospital for his "breathalyzer?" After all this time, if he still blew a .11, he had WAY MORE THAN 3 BEERS. (Unless he weighed about 50 pounds.) :lol: He also must have been wearing LEAD shoes! Most vehicles slow down when the driver falls asleep. And not many people can fall asleep when experiencing the adrenalin rush that is natural when attempting to control a vehicle at 100 mph. I'm not necessarily questioning YOUR story here. You tell it however you want to. But, some things just don't add up - in MY mind. BTW, it wasn't clear to me whether he was in his truck or POV at the time of the accident. Which was it? Anyway.... I'm just saying that MOST people can have no more than 3 beers and still drive with no more impairment than, say, an 80 year old who has slow reflexes. But do THEY have to pay 5 grand and go to AA? How was it proven that he "fell asleep?" Maybe, just doing 100 mph caused the accident. :shock: At any rate, HE definitely screwed up and got what he deserved, I guess. Truckers ARE held to a higher standard both on and off duty, and he apparently didn't care to remeber that! But, I have to side with Mackman a bit, in that a "civilian" who ACTUALLY only had 3 beers, and blows slightly over some arbitrary and constantly fluctuating limit, shouldn't be penalized in ways that are out of line with other crimes. For instance... A second DUI in 7 years, and you lose your license for FOUR YEARS! But, KILL someone (vehicular manslaughter) on your first offense, and you only lose them for ONE year! How does THAT make sense? |
Originally Posted by golfhobo
I don't know what state this happened in, but some states still allow .10 as the limit. Either way, he was barely over the "pedestrian" limit.
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Originally Posted by golfhobo
But, I have to side with Mackman a bit, in that a "civilian" who ACTUALLY only had 3 beers, and blows slightly over some arbitrary and constantly fluctuating limit, shouldn't be penalized in ways that are out of line with other crimes. For instance...
A second DUI in 7 years, and you lose your license for FOUR YEARS! But, KILL someone (vehicular manslaughter) on your first offense, and you only lose them for ONE year! How does THAT make sense? |
Originally Posted by greg3564
Originally Posted by golfhobo
I don't know what state this happened in, but some states still allow .10 as the limit. Either way, he was barely over the "pedestrian" limit.
However, it just goes to show what I said about the "arbitrary" nature of the law. Apparently, we get drunker NOW than we did a few years ago! :roll: Or states care more about highway funding than they do about science and individual's rights! :wink: Does anyone besides ME think that Prohibition was repealed because the government was losing money on liquor taxes, and that trumped highway safety or religious pressure? Or they saw a new cash cow in DUI fines? Do they really care about safe roads.... or do they just like getting funding from those they catch? Drinking and driving is more of a social issue than a criminal one.... yet, no one believes that AA is the answer, and they LOVE getting the fines! Speeding.... $35 and get out of here! DUI?..... hundreds and thousands of dollars! You want to smoke cigs? TAX you to pay for someone else's medical bills!! You want to eat fatty hamburgers and get obese? No problem.... we'll pay for your medical costs. You want to drive a car? TAX the gasoline that you HAVE to have.... you want to take the commuter rail? We'll subsidize you! Does ANY of this smack of "taxation without representation?" Anyone else thinking about a Tea Party? :shock: |
Originally Posted by golfhobo
Originally Posted by greg3564
Originally Posted by golfhobo
I don't know what state this happened in, but some states still allow .10 as the limit. Either way, he was barely over the "pedestrian" limit.
However, it just goes to show what I said about the "arbitrary" nature of the law. Apparently, we get drunker NOW than we did a few years ago! :roll: Or states care more about highway funding than they do about science and individual's rights! :wink: You know that's true! Does anyone besides ME think that Prohibition was repealed because the government was losing money on liquor taxes, and that trumped highway safety or religious pressure? Taxes? No, not the government! :wink: Or they saw a new cash cow in DUI fines? Do they really care about safe roads.... or do they just like getting funding from those they catch? Drinking and driving is more of a social issue than a criminal one.... yet, no one believes that AA is the answer, and they LOVE getting the fines! Drinking and driving is most definately a criminal issue. Especially so for repeat offenders. AA only works if that person WANTS the help. Speeding.... $35 and get out of here! DUI?..... hundreds and thousands of dollars! Agreed. Both should be fined equally. You want to smoke cigs? TAX you to pay for someone else's medical bills!! Well, if you smoke long enough, those taxes will help you too. You want to eat fatty hamburgers and get obese? No problem.... we'll pay for your medical costs. Is there a fat tax now? You want to drive a car? TAX the gasoline that you HAVE to have.... you want to take the commuter rail? We'll subsidize you! Roads aren't built for free. The reason rail lines are sudsidized is to reduce congestion and air polution. Does ANY of this smack of "taxation without representation?" Anyone else thinking about a Tea Party? :shock: No. |
I just lost my ENTIRE last post in which you (Greg) finally understood and totally agreed with everything I had to say!! :lol: :lol: :twisted: :twisted:
Maybe, I'll attempt to recreate it later, or maybe I'll just shoot the dang computer!! :cry: :cry: The ONE time I forgot to copy it before trying to submit..... it went STRAIGHT to the login page and I lost everything!! :evil: :evil: Sometimes this site reminds me of my DISPATCHER!! :roll: |
In June of 1985, my sister was walking down the road with her 3 kids. A driver who "just had a couple of beers" hit her and 2 of the kids. He put the kids in the hospital for about 6 months. My sister was DEAD, 50 FEET FROM WHERE THE PICKUP TRUCK HIT HER.
I never got his name, or I would be in jail now. From what I understand, he got off easy. A fine around $2000, and 6 months confinement. They should have put him to death, IMHO....at least I feel that way. A life for a life. Let the guy hang. I hope he got prison raped. As for the rest of you who thinks it's OK, just wait until you lose family. Or at least, your freedom. |
Cluggy thanks for being on my side. That day I almost lost the love of my life without her seat belt she would have died. Her car a 2005 Ford Focus had the rear clip shoved forward 4 feet the rear tires were touching the front seats if my kids had been with her they would have been killed and then that guy would have died for sure. I would not have been the one doing it either my Father in law would have beat me to him more than likely. Any amount of liquor in your system slows your reaction times add any prescriptions to it and you can be in worse shape. I thank my lucky stars everynight I was home with the kids and she was ok when we go to bed at night together. I NEVER want anyone to go thru what I did last year.
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Originally Posted by Cluggy619
In June of 1985, my sister was walking down the road with her 3 kids. A driver who "just had a couple of beers" hit her and 2 of the kids. He put the kids in the hospital for about 6 months. My sister was DEAD, 50 FEET FROM WHERE THE PICKUP TRUCK HIT HER.
I never got his name, or I would be in jail now. From what I understand, he got off easy. A fine around $2000, and 6 months confinement. They should have put him to death, IMHO....at least I feel that way. A life for a life. Let the guy hang. I hope he got prison raped. As for the rest of you who thinks it's OK, just wait until you lose family. Or at least, your freedom. Cluggy, I am VERY sorry for your loss! I don't mean to be calouse in any way, but.... In the vernacular of OUR business, this was a "preventable." Pedestrians have no "special" rights on MOST highways or roads, certainly not on most interstates. Was there no sidewalk? If not, were they FACING traffic as they walked? Roads and streets and highways are for VEHICLES.... not pedestrians. It is DANGEROUS out there! If it weren't a few beers, it could JUST have easily been a cellphone call, or fiddling with the radio, or even slapping the KIDS in the backseat! I see so many examples of POOR driving everyday it makes me SICK! Truckers do it, kids do it, mothers do it! The roads are not safe to DRIVE on, let alone WALK on! Roads are for VEHICULAR traffic! They are NOT "sidewalks or walkways" for pedestrians. I have not heard ONE word from the rest of you about the guy in his "souped up" RAM truck doing 15 over the speed limit, or the "crotchrocket" idiots! Not even a peep about the driver taking bennies to cheat his logs! It's just ALWAYS about that big "social demon" alcohol! I don't condone drunk driving! But "prescription" drugs can be JUST as impairing! There are MANY reasons in today's society as to why the roads are not SAFE! And I SURE wouldn't WALK down one.... especially with kids.... without being ever so vigilant that a drunk driver couldn't get NEAR me if he TRIED. It would be 'perfect' I suppose, if all highways were somehow "controlled" and all vehicles ran the same speed and didn't even need a driver.... but this is NOT the year 2525! But, KNOWING there are drunk or otherwise 'imperfect' drivers out there, (or mechanical failures and such) a person walks down a road... (maybe with their back to traffic - I don't know) ..... AND subjects CHILDREN to the same danger? I don't know.... something just sounds out of whack here. I've lived in small neighborhoods, and rural areas, as well as big cities. I have NEVER given up my responsibility for MY personal safety to a driver of a big metal machine! Of course, I wouldn't have gone picking daiseys in the fields of Gettysburg during the Civil War, either! Okay.... NOW I'm dead meat! :roll: |
Originally Posted by golfhobo
Originally Posted by Cluggy619
In June of 1985, my sister was walking down the road with her 3 kids. A driver who "just had a couple of beers" hit her and 2 of the kids. He put the kids in the hospital for about 6 months. My sister was DEAD, 50 FEET FROM WHERE THE PICKUP TRUCK HIT HER.
I never got his name, or I would be in jail now. From what I understand, he got off easy. A fine around $2000, and 6 months confinement. They should have put him to death, IMHO....at least I feel that way. A life for a life. Let the guy hang. I hope he got prison raped. As for the rest of you who thinks it's OK, just wait until you lose family. Or at least, your freedom. Cluggy, I am VERY sorry for your loss! I don't mean to be calouse in any way, but.... In the vernacular of OUR business, this was a "preventable." Pedestrians have no "special" rights on MOST highways or roads, certainly not on most interstates. Was there no sidewalk? If not, were they FACING traffic as they walked? Roads and streets and highways are for VEHICLES.... not pedestrians. It is DANGEROUS out there! If it weren't a few beers, it could JUST have easily been a cellphone call, or fiddling with the radio, or even slapping the KIDS in the backseat! I see so many examples of POOR driving everyday it makes me SICK! Truckers do it, kids do it, mothers do it! The roads are not safe to DRIVE on, let alone WALK on! Roads are for VEHICULAR traffic! They are NOT "sidewalks or walkways" for pedestrians. I have not heard ONE word from the rest of you about the guy in his "souped up" RAM truck doing 15 over the speed limit, or the "crotchrocket" idiots! Not even a peep about the driver taking bennies to cheat his logs! It's just ALWAYS about that big "social demon" alcohol! I don't condone drunk driving! But "prescription" drugs can be JUST as impairing! There are MANY reasons in today's society as to why the roads are not SAFE! And I SURE wouldn't WALK down one.... especially with kids.... without being ever so vigilant that a drunk driver couldn't get NEAR me if he TRIED. It would be 'perfect' I suppose, if all highways were somehow "controlled" and all vehicles ran the same speed and didn't even need a driver.... but this is NOT the year 2525! But, KNOWING there are drunk or otherwise 'imperfect' drivers out there, (or mechanical failures and such) a person walks down a road... (maybe with their back to traffic - I don't know) ..... AND subjects CHILDREN to the same danger? I don't know.... something just sounds out of whack here. I've lived in small neighborhoods, and rural areas, as well as big cities. I have NEVER given up my responsibility for MY personal safety to a driver of a big metal machine! Of course, I wouldn't have gone picking daiseys in the fields of Gettysburg during the Civil War, either! Okay.... NOW I'm dead meat! :roll: And it was the same road they walk down for the 5 years they lived in the trailer park where they called home. What was the difference that day? One guy, one pickup truck, and "a couple of beers". And now she is dead. And one more thing. It was a clear summer night, a full moon, road was dry. But it was also up in Michigan, another reason to hate that state. As far as sounding out of whack, not right to you, or whatever else you have to say about it, (fill in your own blank here). Drunk drivers don't care where you are. They don't care if you are on a sidewalk, or in your yard. They don't care if you are in a parking garage, or even in your own home. If they are driving, everybody is in danger. My sister is still dead, and that rat-baster still lives. An eye for an eye. He deserves to be planted, 6 feet under. And I don't care what you think. |
Originally Posted by golfhobo
Man, I am NOT gonna be "popular" for THIS response! Please take note that my opinions here are sometimes ONLY for the purpose of DEBATE! Cluggy, I am VERY sorry for your loss! I don't mean to be calouse in any way, but.... In the vernacular of OUR business, this was a "preventable." Pedestrians have no "special" rights on MOST highways or roads, certainly not on most interstates. Was there no sidewalk? If not, were they FACING traffic as they walked? Roads and streets and highways are for VEHICLES.... not pedestrians. It is DANGEROUS out there! If it weren't a few beers, it could JUST have easily been a cellphone call, or fiddling with the radio, or even slapping the KIDS in the backseat! I see so many examples of POOR driving everyday it makes me SICK! Truckers do it, kids do it, mothers do it! The roads are not safe to DRIVE on, let alone WALK on! Roads are for VEHICULAR traffic! They are NOT "sidewalks or walkways" for pedestrians. I have not heard ONE word from the rest of you about the guy in his "souped up" RAM truck doing 15 over the speed limit, or the "crotchrocket" idiots! Not even a peep about the driver taking bennies to cheat his logs! It's just ALWAYS about that big "social demon" alcohol! I don't condone drunk driving! But "prescription" drugs can be JUST as impairing! There are MANY reasons in today's society as to why the roads are not SAFE! And I SURE wouldn't WALK down one.... especially with kids.... without being ever so vigilant that a drunk driver couldn't get NEAR me if he TRIED. It would be 'perfect' I suppose, if all highways were somehow "controlled" and all vehicles ran the same speed and didn't even need a driver.... but this is NOT the year 2525! But, KNOWING there are drunk or otherwise 'imperfect' drivers out there, (or mechanical failures and such) a person walks down a road... (maybe with their back to traffic - I don't know) ..... AND subjects CHILDREN to the same danger? I don't know.... something just sounds out of whack here. I've lived in small neighborhoods, and rural areas, as well as big cities. I have NEVER given up my responsibility for MY personal safety to a driver of a big metal machine! Of course, I wouldn't have gone picking daiseys in the fields of Gettysburg during the Civil War, either! Okay.... NOW I'm dead meat! :roll: |
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