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kreeper01 · Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:16 pm Post subject:

Scoe wrote: Perhaps the thing that is also holding you back is this experience with Transport America this past summer. What happened there and why did you not stay with them?

I asked for home time to see the dentist, once i got home, i get a call from HQ asking why i am back home. I told them why and what for, next thing i heard was that i am fired.

I asked them for home time because my teeth were killing me and were keeping me awake all day and all night. To add insult to injury, my trainer wanted me to pull over all because i missed an exit i was suppose to take and never allowed me to drive again, even when i did ask. I spent 5 weeks of my time with this company.

kreeper01 · Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:24 pm Post subject:

Uturn2001 wrote: You need to list this on your application. Put something like Hit parked vehicle. Preventable. If you do not list it on your application and when your DAC report comes back your application will be canned.

As i stated before, no other company will touch me, no matter how honest i am. I can post it on the application, tell them over the phone. They will say to me, we will call you when we need you.

Uturn2001 wrote: You may need to either go with a training company again and/or take a refresher course. I find it hard to believe that one accident and an otherwise clean record is keeping anyone from hiring you, unless you are setting your sights a little too high.

I cannot afford to take a refresher course, i do not have the time or the money right now, all the money i am earning is going to pay off some overdue bills. I am not setting my sights to high, i tell all the companies what happen, they give me the shaft in return.

Uturn2001 wrote: Have you tried JB Hunt by any chance? I know somone with limited experience hired by them who had 3 incidents on their DAC.

J.B. Hunt did call me, they wanted to hire me, however, i did not list the accident on my online application, they found out through running my DAC. They canned my application right then and there.

kreeper01 · Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:38 pm Post subject:

Well, i did update my online application. I know for a solid fact i will not get hired by any other trucking company.

I begged, pleaded, did a little bit of butt kissing for the past 8 months to no avail.

I might as well shred my CDL and just get a local job, it isn't even worth my time just sitting around waiting for another trucking job to come along
:? :sad: :x

sanchez498 · Joined: 24 Feb 2004 Posts: 2777 Location: Arkansas

That is one of your mistakes right there. Not disclosing the accident. There probably would have been a good chance of them hiring you if you had told them up front. Its seems to be the norm now days I had an accident and I lied on my application trying to hide it or I have a drug conviction or I failed a pee test why wont someone hire me. It is just getting a tad rediculas. If I lie or did any of the above things I would thank my lucky stars if McDonalds would hire me.

warsaw · Joined: 17 Sep 2004 Posts: 391 Location: Warsaw Ohio

I hear the same things..Its a touchy job for the first few year ..so anything you do is going to bite you in the rears

Uturn2001 · Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 4:22 pm Post subject:

Looks like your only option is to get a local job for a while and get your bills caught up, and then maybe in 6 months to a years you can take that refresher course and re-apply to trucking companies and begin again if you are so inclined.

Just remember, that any accident that you are in you need to list if it happened within the time frame asked for. Even if you are unsure it will show up on your DAC or MVR it is better to list it when no needed than to have it go the other way.

Goose1 · Joined: 04 Feb 2005 Posts: 53

you know this thread brings up a question.. what if a company puts something on your DAC that you dont know about?? (for instance as happened to me antoher driver backing in busted the mirror off my tractor I was not in the truck I was inside unloading frieght, this was put on my DAC as a preventable to me!) I have since gotten it removed and quit that outfit but had I applied to another company I would not have known about it.

Do companies take this sort of thing into account or not?

Uturn2001 · Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 8:50 pm Post subject:

Usually not. They look at it as you were trying to hide something.

If you are ever involved in an accident, especially in a CMV, list it on the application. Companies do not really care if you put down non preventable and it gets listed as preventable on your DAC..what they are really concerned with is that you list it.

Better to have it on you application and have them wondering why they can not find info about it from the company you were working for than the other way around.

kreeper01 · Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 1:04 pm Post subject:

sanchez498 wrote: That is one of your mistakes right there. Not disclosing the accident. There probably would have been a good chance of them hiring you if you had told them up front. Its seems to be the norm now days I had an accident and I lied on my application trying to hide it or I have a drug conviction or I failed a pee test why wont someone hire me. It is just getting a tad ridicules. If I lie or did any of the above things I would thank my lucky stars if McDonalds would hire me.

Sanchez, i do respect your opinions. However, if i did disclose the accident on my application, they will still not touch me for 1 full year or several years after that. I also asked for my drug/alcohol form which is also full of BS, C.R. England NEVER once offered me a drug test until AFTER they fired me. To add insult to injury to this, they had the gaul to inform USIS on 10/18/2004, which i left the company on 11/07/2003.

When i went to Transport America roughly 7 months after leaving England, they did not run a DAC report, they also had the gaul to stick a failed drug test on me, which they reported to USIS on 06/18/2004.
Transport America NEVER once offered me a drug test, they suspected i was taking drugs while with a trainer. I left Transport America for the dentist due to severe tooth pains.

As far as working for Mcdonalds, i am working through a few temporary services here where i live just to generate some form of income.

Twilight Flyer · Joined: 13 Nov 2002 Posts: 5785

So, you're looking at a term for an accident at England and a term for a failed drug test at Transport America? And you have about 6 months of experience? Hate to be blunt and too the point, but you have about zero chance of getting on somewhere driving.

For what it's worth, in the first place, a transportation company is REQUIRED by law to drug test a new employee before they even look at a truck. I know for a fact that despite England's shortcomings, they drug test 1st day in orienation. So does TA. It is simply inconceivable for them to risk a 6 digit government fine because they did not.

Additionally, a company that falsely puts a failed drug test on your job history, whether on USIS/DAC or on a faxed employment verification, is setting themselves up for a lawsuit from the driver and serious fines from the government . It's one thing to give a bad report on a driver...quite another to falsify a drug test report.

Finally, it doesn't really matter if you list it on a job application, either. Both England and TA report to DAC and both are required by law to drug test while you are there and to furnish any drug testing information for the last 36 months. Both companies will report complete accident and safety information and will also report all drug testing information. Many companies order reports from DAC...they will see the reports. Those companies that do not order from DAC, will call them and receive faxes detailing all safety information and drug and alcohol information. Either way, the company you are applying for will get all the information.

So, as far as driving, your only hope then is too leave both companies off of your application and that creates a whole new set of problems for you on falsifying the employment app.

So, basically, you're going to have to put your driving career on hold. Your best bet is to redirect your career, get into something and stay stable for about 3 years. At that point, the accident is 4 years old and the failed drug test is 3 years old. The drug test, at that point, can no longer be reported by the company. Start all over from scratch at that point....new schooling, new training, new company.

kreeper01 · Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 2:06 pm Post subject:

Twilight Flyer wrote: So, you're looking at a term for an accident at England and a term for a failed drug test at Transport America? And you have about 6 months of experience? Hate to be blunt and too the point, but you have about zero chance of getting on somewhere driving.

To clear this up, i did take a pre-employment drug screen for both companies :!: However, with England, they did NOT give me a drug screen for the accident until AFTER they fired me. With TA, they NEVER did ask me to go to Eagan, MN., take a drug test BEFORE i left the company for the dentist.

Twilight Flyer wrote: For what it's worth, in the first place, a transportation company is REQUIRED by law to drug test a new employee before they even look at a truck. I know for a fact that despite England's shortcomings, they drug test 1st day in orienation. So does TA. It is simply inconceivable for them to risk a 6 digit government fine because they did not.

You didn't read what i wrote careful enough, TF, however, i was not specific enough either.

Twilight Flyer wrote: Additionally, a company that falsely puts a failed drug test on your job history, whether on USIS/DAC or on a faxed employment verification, is setting themselves up for a lawsuit from the driver and serious fines from the government . It's one thing to give a bad report on a driver...quite another to falsify a drug test report.

This is the point i tried to make when i stated that England and TA did not offer or asked me to take a drug/alcohol test BEFORE leaving the company, they simply fired me then stuck it on me without my knowledge or consent.

Twilight Flyer wrote: Finally, it doesn't really matter if you list it on a job application, either. Both England and TA report to DAC and both are required by law to drug test while you are there and to furnish any drug testing information for the last 36 months. Both companies will report complete accident and safety information and will also report all drug testing information. Many companies order reports from DAC...they will see the reports. Those companies that do not order from DAC, will call them and receive faxes detailing all safety information and drug and alcohol information. Either way, the company you are applying for will get all the information.

So, as far as driving, your only hope then is too leave both companies off of your application and that creates a whole new set of problems for you. Your best bet is to redirect your career, get into something and stay stable for about 3 years. At that point, the accident is 4 years old and the failed drug test is 3 years old. The drug test, at that point, can no longer be reported by the company. Start all over from scratch at that point....new schooling, new training, new company.

Starting anew is a slow process and also a messed up as well. Within the next 4 years, my cdl will have expired. I knew this will end up screwing me over. :x

Twilight Flyer · Joined: 13 Nov 2002 Posts: 5785

Quote: You didn't read what i wrote careful enough, TF, however, i was not specific enough either.

OK, I see what you're saying now. It appeared you said you didn't take a pre-employment drug test. But you are actually saying that they didn't give you a drug test after they terminated you. I'm not sure what the regulations are on all terminations, but if it's an accident requiring a police presence, they must do that at the very least. Is it possible they made the request and you didn't report? That would go down as a refusal.

Still, regardless of what happened, I still say you're pretty much screwed for about the next 3 years. Yes, your CDL will have expired, but there is really nothing else you can do right now. Let it go and start over when things are further behind you.

Goose1 · Joined: 04 Feb 2005 Posts: 53

Why would your CDL expire.. Just renew it..It's just a drivers license when it's up you go and renew.. You dont have to drive a truck to keep your CDL..

As to the rest of the story I humbly reserve an opinion..

kreeper01 · Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:47 am Post subject:

Twilight Flyer wrote: Still, regardless of what happened, I still say you're pretty much screwed for about the next 3 years. Yes, your CDL will have expired, but there is really nothing else you can do right now. Let it go and start over when things are further behind you.

I do see what your saying here, TF. After leaving England, other companies like J.B. Hunt, WH Transport, Stevens Transport and the like asked me why i didn't put the accident on my application, i honestly told them if i did, they still refuse me a job and it also happened x amount of months ago after they called me. Also, they still would of ran my DAC and MVR reports and it still would of shown up even though i would of been honest on the application or not.

Sanchez, if your reading this as well, being honest or not, when those other companies started calling me, they would not touch me until i served that 1 full year suspention due to the accident. I needed a job badly, however, it looks like i screwed myself even futher by applying time and again without being honest from the start.

As i stated in a previous post, i might as well shred this damn CDL and stay out of trucking permantly. Guess i wasted 3 weeks of my time to get a CDL for nothing :!:

sanchez498 · Joined: 24 Feb 2004 Posts: 2777 Location: Arkansas

kreeper01 wrote:

As i stated in a previous post, i might as well shred this damn CDL and stay out of trucking permantly. Guess i wasted 3 weeks of my time to get a CDL for nothing :!:

Not true you still have a few options. Concrete trucks and I know you said you tried dump truck companys. But did you try any small O/O dump trucks that have 3 or 4 trucks?

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