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Rev.Vassago · Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject:

Useless wrote:
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I am NO lover of HRC or Bill Clinton; my personal opinion of them does not change the fact that the two of them make a very formidable political machine, especially in the fund raising arena.

I didn't say you were a lover of the Clintons - I said that you believed they were loved.

While they may be a formidable opponent, I think there is too much of the country that resents them, and they have no chance of actually winning. I wouldn't even be surprised if she doesn't get the nomination.

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To a certain degree, there is some truth to what you are saying here; yet, with the Democrats in control of The House and The Senate, at this point in time, I see this race as the Democrat's race to win or lose.

2 years is an eternity in politics. GWB is already considered a lame-duck president, and the Dems are going to prevent him from making any major mistakes, as they are going to try and block EVERYTHING the Republicans attempt to do.

Useless · Joined: 08 Oct 2005 Posts: 3176 Location: Canyon Lake, Tx.

Rev.Vassago wrote: 2 years is an eternity in politics. GWB is already considered a lame-duck president, and the Dems are going to prevent him from making any major mistakes, as they are going to try and block EVERYTHING the Republicans attempt to do.

And, therein lies the rub, Rev.!!

If the Dem's are successful in preventing Bush from making any major mistakes, then they will be perceived as the party of leadership. Hence, there won't be any groundswell movement to replace Democratic leadership with Republican leadership, and their won't be much in the way of momentum to carry the next Republican candidate into The White House!!

As it stands right now, the Democrats have an arsenal of political ammunition to base a campaign upon the repudiation of Bush's policies; so, we would expect them to seek the White House by, in effect, campaigning against Bush, even though he won't be running for another term!!

At the same time, as it now stands, the only hope that thew Republicans have of holding on to The Oval Office is if they ALSO, in effect, run against Bush as well!! By the time Ronald Regan had completed his sixth year in office, was obviously midway into his second term, but he was by no means a "lame duck" President.

Bush, however, is not only a "lame duck" President, he has been very severely crippled by the war in Iraq, and there are absolutely NO indications that he can somehow turn that situation around.

Consequently, I don't see how he can possibly bring much strength to The Republican Ticket in 2008.

It will be interesting to see what happens over the next two years. As you so correctly pointed out, in political terms, that really is an eternity!!

Rev.Vassago · Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:53 am Post subject:

Useless wrote: If the Dem's are successful in preventing Bush from making any major mistakes, then they will be perceived as the party of leadership. Hence, there won't be any groundswell movement to replace Democratic leadership with Republican leadership, and their won't be much in the way of momentum to carry the next Republican candidate into The White House!!

You give the public too much credit. :wink:

Useless · Joined: 08 Oct 2005 Posts: 3176 Location: Canyon Lake, Tx.

Not meaning to engage in mindless or pointless bantering with you, Rev., but I do NOT think that I give them too much credit....

If I tried to argue that the voters in 2008 would hearken back to The Clinton Era, and before filling out a ballot, stop to remember that President Elect Clinton, who pledged that his administration "Would avoid the mere appearance of impropriety" wound up giving us one tawdry spectacle after another, I think that THAT would be giving people too much credit. By the time Nov.'08 rolls around, through selective memory, they will have also forgotten that Co-President HRC had her numerous episodes of ethical lapses as well!!!

The memory of the average American voter is all too short.... in a way, I think that reflects the correctness of your observation that "two years is an eternity" in the world of politics.

Rev.Vassago · Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:51 pm Post subject:

When the next election comes around, and Hillary doesn't even come close to winning, can I say "I told you so"? :wink:

Useless · Joined: 08 Oct 2005 Posts: 3176 Location: Canyon Lake, Tx.

Rev.Vassago wrote: When the next election comes around, and Hillary doesn't even come close to winning, can I say "I told you so"? :wink:

Sure!!! :D

But if it isn't HRC, I don't know who it will be, because I don't think that it will be Giuliani/McCain!!.....Although I do think that they would make a good team!! 8)

mikey4069 · Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 560 Location: northern cali

Rev.Vassago wrote: When the next election comes around, and Hillary doesn't even come close to winning, can I say "I told you so"? :wink: I hope your right because that's a scary thought.

Useless · Joined: 08 Oct 2005 Posts: 3176 Location: Canyon Lake, Tx.

mikey4069 wrote: I hope your right because that's a scary thought.

What is even more frightening is how the close ties between The Clinton's and Bush 41 have become!!!

nightprwlr · Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 41 Location: ILLINOIS

Not because of gender, they are both puppets of greed and corruption.

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